Re: [DX-CHAT] YU7GMN V51AS QSL's
Hi Jerry, I never tried YU7GWN, but have received several QSLs from V51AS.
V51AS is a good QSLer.when he receives mail, so please don't blame him.
Unfortunately, as with much of Africa since the colonial powers left, countries
descended into chaos, corruption and theft (go to Nigeria, it's a way of life
there!). We see this in the mail theft that routinely happens with mail to
V51AS. Sadly this has happened across the whole continent - they're not all as
bad as Zimbabwe, but plenty are nearly there. Remember, $2 is often a weekly or
monthly wage in Africa and Western aid $$$ end up in the current dictator's
Swiss bank account.
If I can give any tips (they're old, well-known ones), it's
(1) Don't write callsigns or amateur radio etc on the envelope
(2) fold your green stamps inside your return envelope and make sure that this
in turn is folded so that the contents aren't visible even if the corners of
your envelope are lifted. Insert it opening down.
(3) If you've not got a dark coloured QSL card, shove some carbon paper in
there, so the contents aren't visible if it's held to the light
(4) try to fold the return envelope so it doesn't look like a return envelope -
this is a dead giveaway.
Following these, I have a pretty decent return rate from V51AS
I'd be surprised if there are such mail problems in Serbia, but YU7GMN is a
club station, so mail probably sits there for a while. They're probably more
interested in operating/antenna projects etc. Do you know which op you
worked? You could probably try him???
Whilst we're on the subject, has anyone received QSLs from XE1KK?
Hope this helps.
cheers
Dave G0OIL
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Has anyone received QSL's from YU7GWN, or V51AS?
Thanks,
Jerry WWØE
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[DX-CHAT] SL mamangers around the world in countries with reliable mail service willing to help
I sent a card to YU7GMN via buro in 2003 with no reply. I've never sent a card to V51AS despite 20+ QSOs because he is a well-known QSL deadbeat. I don't buy his bad mail service excuse. It appears he's a graduate of the FR5DX School of QSLing - send just enough cards so people will keep trying, sending more green stamps each time. If the mail service is, in fact, the problem, there are plenty of volunteer QSL managers around the world, in countries with reliable mail service, willing to help. One doesn't have to be a rocket scientist to know that's the way to go if the mail service is really the problem. There are DXpeditions of V5 every now and then. Wait for one of those. 73, Barry W2UP DAVE WHITE wrote: Hi Jerry, I never tried YU7GWN, but have received several QSLs from V51AS. V51AS is a good QSLer.when he receives mail, so please don't blame him. Unfortunately, as with much of Africa since the colonial powers left, countries descended into chaos, corruption and theft (go to Nigeria, it's a way of life there!). We see this in the mail theft that routinely happens with mail to V51AS. Sadly this has happened across the whole continent - they're not all as bad as Zimbabwe, but plenty are nearly there. Remember, $2 is often a weekly or monthly wage in Africa and Western aid $$$ end up in the current dictator's Swiss bank account. If I can give any tips (they're old, well-known ones), it's (1) Don't write callsigns or amateur radio etc on the envelope (2) fold your green stamps inside your return envelope and make sure that this in turn is folded so that the contents aren't visible even if the corners of your envelope are lifted. Insert it opening down. (3) If you've not got a dark coloured QSL card, shove some carbon paper in there, so the contents aren't visible if it's held to the light (4) try to fold the return envelope so it doesn't look like a return envelope - this is a dead giveaway. Following these, I have a pretty decent return rate from V51AS I'd be surprised if there are such mail problems in Serbia, but YU7GMN is a club station, so mail probably sits there for a while. They're probably more interested in operating/antenna projects etc. Do you know which op you worked? You could probably try him??? Whilst we're on the subject, has anyone received QSLs from XE1KK? Hope this helps. cheers Dave G0OIL --- On *Sat, 15/11/08, Jerry Rappel /[EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: From: Jerry Rappel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [DX-CHAT] YU7GMN V51AS QSL's To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Date: Saturday, 15 November, 2008, 5:19 AM Has anyone received QSL's from YU7GWN, or V51AS? Thanks, Jerry WWØE --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.4/1789 - Release Date: 11/14/2008 7:32 PM -- Barry Kutner, W2UP Newtown, PA --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] SL mamangers around the world in countries with reliable mail service willing to help
Hi Barry, Strangely I've had no problems with FR5DX eitheronce I learned to write REUNION ISLAND, FRANCE, or VIA FRANCE on the envelope. Don't let it go direct. Our Gallic friends have a good post office. However, I don't see why these guys don't use a QSL manager either. Have you ever travelled around Africa? I have a bit, but ask G3SXW, G3VMW or G0IAS to relate some REAL experiences :-) It's a different world. Really. cheers D --- On Sat, 15/11/08, Barry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Barry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [DX-CHAT] SL mamangers around the world in countries with reliable mail service willing to help To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Date: Saturday, 15 November, 2008, 12:49 PM I sent a card to YU7GMN via buro in 2003 with no reply. I've never sent a card to V51AS despite 20+ QSOs because he is a well-known QSL deadbeat. I don't buy his bad mail service excuse. It appears he's a graduate of the FR5DX School of QSLing - send just enough cards so people will keep trying, sending more green stamps each time. If the mail service is, in fact, the problem, there are plenty of volunteer QSL managers around the world, in countries with reliable mail service, willing to help. One doesn't have to be a rocket scientist to know that's the way to go if the mail service is really the problem. There are DXpeditions of V5 every now and then. Wait for one of those. 73, Barry W2UP DAVE WHITE wrote: Hi Jerry, I never tried YU7GWN, but have received several QSLs from V51AS. V51AS is a good QSLer.when he receives mail, so please don't blame him. Unfortunately, as with much of Africa since the colonial powers left, countries descended into chaos, corruption and theft (go to Nigeria, it's a way of life there!). We see this in the mail theft that routinely happens with mail to V51AS. Sadly this has happened across the whole continent - they're not all as bad as Zimbabwe, but plenty are nearly there. Remember, $2 is often a weekly or monthly wage in Africa and Western aid $$$ end up in the current dictator's Swiss bank account. If I can give any tips (they're old, well-known ones), it's (1) Don't write callsigns or amateur radio etc on the envelope (2) fold your green stamps inside your return envelope and make sure that this in turn is folded so that the contents aren't visible even if the corners of your envelope are lifted. Insert it opening down. (3) If you've not got a dark coloured QSL card, shove some carbon paper in there, so the contents aren't visible if it's held to the light (4) try to fold the return envelope so it doesn't look like a return envelope - this is a dead giveaway. Following these, I have a pretty decent return rate from V51AS I'd be surprised if there are such mail problems in Serbia, but YU7GMN is a club station, so mail probably sits there for a while. They're probably more interested in operating/antenna projects etc. Do you know which op you worked? You could probably try him??? Whilst we're on the subject, has anyone received QSLs from XE1KK? Hope this helps. cheers Dave G0OIL --- On *Sat, 15/11/08, Jerry Rappel /[EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: From: Jerry Rappel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [DX-CHAT] YU7GMN V51AS QSL's To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Date: Saturday, 15 November, 2008, 5:19 AM Has anyone received QSL's from YU7GWN, or V51AS? Thanks, Jerry WWØE --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.4/1789 - Release Date: 11/14/2008 7:32 PM -- Barry Kutner, W2UP Newtown, PA --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or
[DX-CHAT] V51AS QSL'ing
Gentle Folk: Before this gets further out of hand... let's tone this down or take it elsewhere. V51AS has a known mail theft problem. He is NOT a well-known QSL deadbeat because he answers every card he gets; I've certainly never had a problem getting cards from him. Has he been stubborn about getting a mail drop and resistant to getting a QSL manager? Yes, but without knowing his side of the story, I am reluctant to criticize him on it. And in all fairness, he did get the German mail drop set up, which I understand has worked reliably since doing so. Has it occurred to anyone that the mail thieves may be on to that now? Personally insulting the man does not help matters. And it is not in the spirit of the nature of this reflector. If you have a gripe or other concerns about QSL'ing in general, or QSL'ing Frank in particular, the DX QSL reflector is the place to go. You will find plenty of help and suggestions there. But if you can't keep it civil, don't bring it here. Thank you for your understanding. 73, ron w3wn administrator, dx chat --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] V51AS QSL'ing
Right on Ron. Frank has worked very hard to overcome the QSL theft problem (both incoming and outgoing). I had a personal experience where there was a date error on a card he received from me and he emailed me to question the error. Now that's service! Gerry VE6LB/VA6XDX ARRL DXCC Card Checker VE/VA6 QSL Bureau Team (403) 251-6520 ve6lb (at) telus (dot) net www.qsl.net/ve6lb/ - Original Message - From: Ron Notarius W3WN To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 6:27 AM Subject: [DX-CHAT] V51AS QSL'ing Gentle Folk: Before this gets further out of hand... let's tone this down or take it elsewhere. V51AS has a known mail theft problem. He is NOT a well-known QSL deadbeat because he answers every card he gets; I've certainly never had a problem getting cards from him. Has he been stubborn about getting a mail drop and resistant to getting a QSL manager? Yes, but without knowing his side of the story, I am reluctant to criticize him on it. And in all fairness, he did get the German mail drop set up, which I understand has worked reliably since doing so. Has it occurred to anyone that the mail thieves may be on to that now? Personally insulting the man does not help matters. And it is not in the spirit of the nature of this reflector. If you have a gripe or other concerns about QSL'ing in general, or QSL'ing Frank in particular, the DX QSL reflector is the place to go. You will find plenty of help and suggestions there. But if you can't keep it civil, don't bring it here. Thank you for your understanding. 73, ron w3wn administrator, dx chat --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] YU7GMN V51AS QSL's
I have sent V51AS 5 QSL cards beween 12/99 and 3/02 without a reply. Most or all of these were likely sent via he bureau as I already have it confirmed for DXCC. I have 2 other contacts in 8/05 and 3/06 and I didn't send cards for these 40 and 80M contacts as I felt I was wasting my time. John Owens - N7TK -- Original message -- From: Jerry Rappel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Has anyone received QSL's from YU7GWN, or V51AS? Thanks, Jerry WWØE --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] YU7GMN V51AS QSL's
I should have mentioned in my email re V51AS QSLing that I am aware that QRZ.com says to send only direct, but it has not always said that. It was modified this year. John Owens - N7TK -- Original message -- From: Jerry Rappel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Has anyone received QSL's from YU7GWN, or V51AS? Thanks, Jerry WWØE --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] QSL mamangers around the world in countries with reliable mail service willing to help
You know I've always done this because opthers have told me to do it. However, it begs the question: Where do the letters go (by what route) if they DON'T say Via France on them? What route do they take when they DO say that? 73, Zack W9SZ On Sat, 15 Nov 2008, DAVE WHITE wrote: Hi Barry, Strangely I've had no problems with FR5DX eitheronce I learned to write REUNION ISLAND, FRANCE, or VIA FRANCE on the envelope. Don't let it go direct. Our Gallic friends have a good post office. --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] QSL mamangers around the world in countries with reliable mail service willing to help
Hell, that's a good queston, Zack. I'd assume that they go via Madagascar or perhaps Kenya or South Africa. La Poste France deliver direct to French possessions without the use of third parties as far as I know. Next time I speak to FR5DX (actually I've not heard him for ages - is he still active or back in France??) I'll ask him. FR1AN seems pretty active but he doesn't seem to appear on the bands much for Euope openings (I can't blame him avoiding the Italian Muppet Show we have to contend with every time DX appears) and uses a US QSL manager. Maybe you can ask him. It'll annoy me now I don't know the answer :-) cheers Dave --- On Sat, 15/11/08, Zack Widup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Zack Widup [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] QSL mamangers around the world in countries with reliable mail service willing to help To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Date: Saturday, 15 November, 2008, 7:34 PM You know I've always done this because opthers have told me to do it. However, it begs the question: Where do the letters go (by what route) if they DON'T say Via France on them? What route do they take when they DO say that? 73, Zack W9SZ On Sat, 15 Nov 2008, DAVE WHITE wrote: Hi Barry, Strangely I've had no problems with FR5DX eitheronce I learned to write REUNION ISLAND, FRANCE, or VIA FRANCE on the envelope. Don't let it go direct. Our Gallic friends have a good post office. --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] QSL mamangers around the world in countries with reliable mail service willing to help
I have a feeling it goes via France, anyway. Since Reunion is a French possession, why would it go any other way? The mail travels via airplane and Air France has most of the flights in and out of there. I wonder if the via instructions are simply ignored as irrelevant. Kinda like sending something via Fedex Express. Whether it's going to a neighboring state or across the country, it still goes via Memphis. OTOH, I wonder if routing instructions on an envelope to an independent country, such as JT , makes a difference. Barry W2UP Zack Widup wrote: You know I've always done this because opthers have told me to do it. However, it begs the question: Where do the letters go (by what route) if they DON'T say Via France on them? What route do they take when they DO say that? 73, Zack W9SZ On Sat, 15 Nov 2008, DAVE WHITE wrote: Hi Barry, Strangely I've had no problems with FR5DX eitheronce I learned to write REUNION ISLAND, FRANCE, or VIA FRANCE on the envelope. Don't let it go direct. Our Gallic friends have a good post office. --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.4/1790 - Release Date: 11/15/2008 9:32 AM -- Barry Kutner, W2UP Newtown, PA --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] QSL managers around the world in countries with reliable mail service willing to help
If a station gives instructions regarding his address why would you even consider changing it? At 03:40 PM 11/15/2008, Barry wrote: I have a feeling it goes via France, anyway. Since Reunion is a French possession, why would it go any other way? The mail travels via airplane and Air France has most of the flights in and out of there. I wonder if the via instructions are simply ignored as irrelevant. Kinda like sending something via Fedex Express. Whether it's going to a neighboring state or across the country, it still goes via Memphis. OTOH, I wonder if routing instructions on an envelope to an independent country, such as JT , makes a difference. Barry W2UP Zack Widup wrote: You know I've always done this because opthers have told me to do it. However, it begs the question: Where do the letters go (by what route) if they DON'T say Via France on them? What route do they take when they DO say that? 73, Zack W9SZ On Sat, 15 Nov 2008, DAVE WHITE wrote: Hi Barry, Strangely I've had no problems with FR5DX eitheronce I learned to write REUNION ISLAND, FRANCE, or VIA FRANCE on the envelope. Don't let it go direct. Our Gallic friends have a good post office. Jack Hartley K4WSB / VP2MSB ARRL - QCWA - OOTC DXCC Honor Roll --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
[DX-CHAT] Reunion mail addressing
See: http://www.upu.int/post_code/en/countries/REU.pdf It doesn't even say via France. Apparently, this ts the official way to send mail there. This is from the Universal Postal Union, FWIW. http://www.upu.int/ harry --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
