Re: [DX-CHAT] [Dx-qsl] DXCC application
Yesterday, I wrote: Actually, I think it does matter. My impression is that they have a dumb (no judgment implied) data-entry operator keying in the credits. They start at 160 CW, change the mode to SSB, key in those confirmations, they change the band to 80 CW, then 80 SSB, etc. If you can't imagine software being so dumb, think of CT (contest logging) without radio control. You need to use ALT-F1/F2 to change bands and (I think) CTRL-F1/F2 to change modes. By sorting the cards in band then mode order, it minimizes the use of these keystrokes. It's a lot less typing than having to enter the band/mode for every QSO, but also less flexible. 73 - Jim AD1C -- Jim Reisert AD1C, 7 Charlemont Court, North Chelmsford, MA 01863 USA +978-251-9933, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.ad1c.us Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] [Dx-qsl] DXCC application
I have some questions on how to fill out the DXCC application. 1. My understanding of the FAQ is that the stations and entities within a band-mode category can be in any order - is that correct? 2. How do I delete a line if there is an error I can't fix? 3. Am I permitted to have blank lines separating a band-mode in case I miss something in a band-mode? 4. Can I type my own form that looks as close to the ARRL form as possible? It's much easier to sit down at a computer and type in the information rather than fill in a form by hand, especially with my current handwriting g 5. My last submission was in 1950 something. My understanding is that I would have to submit current cards in order to qualify for band-mode awards. That is, submit new cards where possible. Larry -- Larry Alkoff N2LA - Austin TX Using Thunderbird on Linux Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] [Dx-qsl] DXCC application
Larry: Many times I've kept a running account of my upcoming DXCC submission in MS Word so I wouldn't have to sit down for one long period and typed the whole thing out. I just printed off the running account when I got ready to make my DXCC submission wrapped it up with the QSL cards and never had a problem with DXCC.My submission in MS Word followed the suggested DXCC submission format and the spaces on the DXCC form, call, date, band, mode, multiple QSOs on one card, etc. Tom, WW5L Larry Alkoff wrote: I have some questions on how to fill out the DXCC application. 1. My understanding of the FAQ is that the stations and entities within a band-mode category can be in any order - is that correct? 2. How do I delete a line if there is an error I can't fix? 3. Am I permitted to have blank lines separating a band-mode in case I miss something in a band-mode? 4. Can I type my own form that looks as close to the ARRL form as possible? It's much easier to sit down at a computer and type in the information rather than fill in a form by hand, especially with my current handwriting g 5. My last submission was in 1950 something. My understanding is that I would have to submit current cards in order to qualify for band-mode awards. That is, submit new cards where possible. Larry Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] [Dx-qsl] DXCC application
Hi Larry, You could ask the DXCC desk directly ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) but here's my take: 1. My understanding of the FAQ is that the stations and entities within a band-mode category can be in any order - is that correct? Yes, but I always sort alphabetically by callsign (not necessarily by country prefix). Actually, DX4WIN does this for me. I don't think it matters to their computer. 2. How do I delete a line if there is an error I can't fix? Just cross it out. The computer counts the cards/credits. 3. Am I permitted to have blank lines separating a band-mode in case I miss something in a band-mode? See #2 above. 4. Can I type my own form that looks as close to the ARRL form as possible? It's much easier to sit down at a computer and type in the information rather than fill in a form by hand, especially with my current handwriting g Yes, lots of logging software does this. Make sure the columns are in the same order. You can use an Excel spreadsheet if it makes things easier. My understanding is that if you send in cards AND application, they don't need the listing filled out. However, the cards must STILL be in (first) band (then) mode order. Cards with multiple bands/modes must be at the end. Also remember, they will enter EVERY QSO from EVERY CARD into the computer. Each *QSO* count towards the 125 submission limit. So if there are bands/modes you don't care about, put a sticky note on the QSL so they can ignore those QSOs. 5. My last submission was in 1950 something. My understanding is that I would have to submit current cards in order to qualify for band-mode awards. That is, submit new cards where possible. Yes, your old credits will be transferred from the paper records automatically (if it hasn't already been done). 73 - Jim AD1C -- Jim Reisert AD1C, 7 Charlemont Court, North Chelmsford, MA 01863 USA +978-251-9933, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.ad1c.us Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] [Dx-qsl] DXCC application
- Original Message - From: Gerry To: Larry Alkoff Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] [Dx-qsl] DXCC application Larry, 1) YES. 2-5) use my EXCEL ARRL DXCC Application QSO Record Form:from my WEB site EXCEL ARRL DXCC Application QSO Record Form: GerryVE6LB/VA6XDXARRL DXCC Card CheckerVE/VA6 QSL Bureau Team(403) 251-6520ve6lb (at) rac.cawww.qsl.net/ve6lb/ - Original Message - From: Larry Alkoff Cc: QSL ; Chat Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] [Dx-qsl] DXCC application I have some questions on how to fill out the DXCC application.1. My understanding of the FAQ is that the stations and entities within a band-mode category can be in any order - is that correct?2. How do I delete a line if there is an error I can't fix?3. Am I permitted to have blank lines separating a band-mode in case I miss something in a band-mode?4. Can I type my own form that looks as close to the ARRL form as possible? It's much easier to sit down at a computer and type in the information rather than fill in a form by hand, especially with my current handwriting g5. My last submission was in 1950 something. My understanding is that I would have to submit current cards in order to qualify for band-mode awards. That is, submit new cards where possible.Larry-- Larry Alkoff N2LA - Austin TXUsing Thunderbird on LinuxSubscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chatTo post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.orgThis is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] [Dx-qsl] DXCC application
Hi Tom. Running account. That's exactly what I want to do. Although with Open Office not Word :-) Tom Anderson wrote: Larry: Many times I've kept a running account of my upcoming DXCC submission in MS Word so I wouldn't have to sit down for one long period and typed the whole thing out. I just printed off the running account when I got ready to make my DXCC submission wrapped it up with the QSL cards and never had a problem with DXCC.My submission in MS Word followed the suggested DXCC submission format and the spaces on the DXCC form, call, date, band, mode, multiple QSOs on one card, etc. Tom, WW5L Larry Alkoff wrote: I have some questions on how to fill out the DXCC application. 1. My understanding of the FAQ is that the stations and entities within a band-mode category can be in any order - is that correct? 2. How do I delete a line if there is an error I can't fix? 3. Am I permitted to have blank lines separating a band-mode in case I miss something in a band-mode? 4. Can I type my own form that looks as close to the ARRL form as possible? It's much easier to sit down at a computer and type in the information rather than fill in a form by hand, especially with my current handwriting g 5. My last submission was in 1950 something. My understanding is that I would have to submit current cards in order to qualify for band-mode awards. That is, submit new cards where possible. Larry Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org -- Larry Alkoff N2LA - Austin TX Using Thunderbird on Linux Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] [Dx-qsl] DXCC application
Thanks for your comments Ed. I understand the need to follow the rules and certainly will - especially about order! If Susan can't do my cards for any reason I'll look you up. Thanks for the offer. One thing I really don't want to do is to send an estimated 2,000 cards away to anyone. Estimate: 5 bands * 2 modes * 300 countries each (optimistic on some bands) * 75% for dupes = 2,000. That's a lot of cards but all my old checked cards have to be replaced with new to qualify for 5bDXCC and it _has_ been nearly 50 years since my first two submissions g. 73, Larry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Larry I am your local DXCC field checker. Here is the scoop: 1) The cards are first sorted by band and then within each band grouped by mode. Post it notes are a good way to indicate if a Multiple QSO card is only to have one QSO counted (making that card a single QSO card). Multiple QSO cards are grouped at the end of the pile, with no special order. If there are QSOs that you don't want counted (pay for) you should use something like a Post-It note on the cards to indicate which ones to count. A note like Please count only 20mtr and 30mtr QSOs is sufficient. 2)Just draw a single straight line thru the listing on the form. You can white it out, but I wouldn't write over it. 3) 4) The form listing the QSOs can have blank lines in it. The form with the listing of QSOs is only needed for hamfest and other field checking. It is the form with the listed QSOs that goes to ARRL. You do not have to use the form for listing the QSOs. You can use a reasonable facsimile of the form made by your computer. The columns need to be in the same order and your call or calls should be on the print out. Some log award tracking programs will automatically produce an acceptable print out. I believe that you are required to have the application part of the ARRL forms with any application. This is the part with which award you are applying for , your address, calls used, etc. This form also shows how you are paying for the submission. With a field or hamfest checked application (no cards to ARRL) the fee is easily computed and a check or credit card can be used as payment. If I am checking the cards, I am not as strict about card order unles you are bringing me a 5BDXCC type package. HQ is strict about the card order and the order on the print out (band-mode then multi-Q cards). 5) Unfortunately, cards submitted before 1985 ish were not recorded. Also if you submitted cards for a 5BDXCC around that time frame there was no recording of the band and mode. In some cases, the only thing remaining was which countries you have worked. There is a slight discount if you are applying for several single band awards. Essentially HQ allows you some (payment) credit for previous submissions like with a 5BDXCC. But there is some sticker shock in trying to get up to the challenge award level if your starting for an old DXCC award. There are two other items: First, cards that date back more than 10 years must be either checked at a hamfest/convention (with DXCC staff present) or checked at HQ. Also 160m cards need to checked by HQ staff either at a hamfest or at HQ. That means prying the cardboard out of your hands and entrusting those priceless cards with UPS, USPS, or Fedex. You could of course carry them there for an in person checking session ( I think that you need to schedule a drop by of more than 120 cards). So there is some scare factor of parting with those cards and the expense. Secondly, for field checked cards, you need to supply an envelope with postage to the field checker. The field checker needs to mail this within 48 hrs. I suggest if you submit cards to HQ, that you use a credit card to pay for the awards and return postage. If you send too much you'll have a credit and if you send too little you'll get a bill (before you get an award). So if you need any field checking, either myself or Susan King are available. Drop me an email or call if you want to set something up. Regards and good luck Ed Cox KE3D Larry Alkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/19/2006 05:16 PM To cc QSL [EMAIL PROTECTED], Chat dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject Re: [DX-CHAT] [Dx-qsl] DXCC application I have some questions on how to fill out the DXCC application. 1. My understanding of the FAQ is that the stations and entities within a band-mode category can be in any order - is that correct? 2. How do I delete a line if there is an error I can't fix? 3. Am I permitted to have blank lines separating a band-mode in case I miss something in a band-mode? 4. Can I type my own form that looks as close to the ARRL form as possible? It's much easier to sit down at a computer and type in the information rather than fill in a form by hand, especially with my current handwriting g 5. My last submission was in 1950 something. My
Re: [DX-CHAT] [Dx-qsl] DXCC application
Larry, You might find my Spread Sheet easier to sort than a WORD document. Works fine in Open Office Calc as well. GerryVE6LB/VA6XDXARRL DXCC Card CheckerVE/VA6 QSL Bureau Team(403) 251-6520ve6lb (at) rac.cawww.qsl.net/ve6lb/ - Original Message - From: Larry Alkoff To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: QSL ; Chat Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] [Dx-qsl] DXCC application Hi Tom. Running account. That's exactly what I want to do.Although with Open Office not Word :-)Tom Anderson wrote: Larry: Many times I've kept a "running" account of my upcoming DXCC submission in MS Word so I wouldn't have to sit down for one long period and typed the whole thing out. I just printed off the "running" account when I got ready to make my DXCC submission wrapped it up with the QSL cards and never had a problem with DXCC. My submission in MS Word followed the suggested DXCC submission format and the spaces on the DXCC form, call, date, band, mode, multiple QSOs on one card, etc. Tom, WW5LLarry Alkoff wrote: I have some questions on how to fill out the DXCC application. 1. My understanding of the FAQ is that the stations and entities within a band-mode category can be in any order - is that correct? 2. How do I delete a line if there is an error I can't fix? 3. Am I permitted to have blank lines separating a band-mode in case I miss something in a band-mode? 4. Can I type my own form that looks as close to the ARRL form as possible? It's much easier to sit down at a computer and type in the information rather than fill in a form by hand, especially with my current handwriting g 5. My last submission was in 1950 something. My understanding is that I would have to submit current cards in order to qualify for band-mode awards. That is, submit new cards where possible. Larry Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org -- Larry Alkoff N2LA - Austin TXUsing Thunderbird on LinuxSubscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chatTo post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.orgThis is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] [Dx-qsl] DXCC application
Larry, You might find my Spread Sheet easier to sort than a WORD document. Works fine in Open Office Calc as well. Gerry VE6LB/VA6XDX ARRL DXCC Card Checker VE/VA6 QSL Bureau Team (403) 251-6520 ve6lb (at) rac.ca www.qsl.net/ve6lb/ - Original Message - From: Larry Alkoff To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: QSL ; Chat Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] [Dx-qsl] DXCC application Hi Tom. Running account. That's exactly what I want to do. Although with Open Office not Word :-) Tom Anderson wrote: Larry: Many times I've kept a running account of my upcoming DXCC submission in MS Word so I wouldn't have to sit down for one long period and typed the whole thing out. I just printed off the running account when I got ready to make my DXCC submission wrapped it up with the QSL cards and never had a problem with DXCC.My submission in MS Word followed the suggested DXCC submission format and the spaces on the DXCC form, call, date, band, mode, multiple QSOs on one card, etc. Tom, WW5L Larry Alkoff wrote: I have some questions on how to fill out the DXCC application. 1. My understanding of the FAQ is that the stations and entities within a band-mode category can be in any order - is that correct? 2. How do I delete a line if there is an error I can't fix? 3. Am I permitted to have blank lines separating a band-mode in case I miss something in a band-mode? 4. Can I type my own form that looks as close to the ARRL form as possible? It's much easier to sit down at a computer and type in the information rather than fill in a form by hand, especially with my current handwriting g 5. My last submission was in 1950 something. My understanding is that I would have to submit current cards in order to qualify for band-mode awards. That is, submit new cards where possible. Larry Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org -- Larry Alkoff N2LA - Austin TX Using Thunderbird on Linux Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] [Dx-qsl] DXCC application
--- Tom Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I received my cards back from ARRL today. Included was an unsigned note complaining that I had not separated the cards by mode and that further such applications would not be processed. I have been sending cards to the league for over 30 years now, always separated by bands and alphabetized by prefix. This is the first time anyone has told me I was doing it wrong. The note was short, snappy and unsigned and I am a bit upset by it. What's worse, I sent in a second application a few weeks ago and if they bounce the whole thing, I am gonna be real upset. From a public relations standpoint, I feel that DXCC has shot me the proverbial bird and right now, I am sorry that I am a life member of ARRL. What's going on in Newington? Hi Tom, Maybe someone was having a bad day at Newington. However, the application clearly states to separate cards first by band, then by mode (this has been the case for as long as the database was computerized): http://www.arrl.org/awards/dxcc/dxccapp.pdf Note: Cards may be submitted directly to ARRL or checked by a DXCC Card Checker. If cards are sent direct to ARRL, it is not necessary to fill out this form. This form must be completed if a Card Checker checks the application. In either case, the cards or listed credits must be sorted first by band then by mode. I believe the requirement is dictated by the way the entry computer software works. I hope your 2nd application is treated better. 73 - Jim AD1C -- Jim Reisert AD1C, 7 Charlemont Court, North Chelmsford, MA 01863 USA +978-251-9933, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.ad1c.us Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] [Dx-qsl] DXCC application
Hmmm. My next submission will have 4 cards (after Montenegro comes in) all of which are mixed band and mode. Hey Newington!! It doesn't matter in this computer era!! Jeez. -- The floggings will continue until morale improves. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] [Dx-qsl] DXCC application
Like another person has noted: Read the application paper where it clearly tells you how to sort the cards when you send them. I followed the directions when I sent in about 180 cards at my last submission with no problems. If you follow the directions you will have no problems. The application says you must pay extra if you send in more than 125 cards, which I payed. N4JA Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] [Dx-qsl] DXCC application
So maybe, like QSL senders, ARRL responds better with green stamps in the envelope! :-) John K5MO At 07:08 PM 10/18/2006, Jim Abercrombie wrote: Like another person has noted: Read the application paper where it clearly tells you how to sort the cards when you send them. I followed the directions when I sent in about 180 cards at my last submission with no problems. If you follow the directions you will have no problems. The application says you must pay extra if you send in more than 125 cards, which I payed. N4JA Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: 9/22/2006 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: 9/22/2006 Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] [Dx-qsl] DXCC application
--- harris_ruben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmmm. My next submission will have 4 cards (after Montenegro comes in) all of which are mixed band and mode. Hey Newington!! It doesn't matter in this computer era!! Jeez. Actually, I think it does matter. My impression is that they have a dumb (no judgment implied) data-entry operator keying in the credits. They start at 160 CW, change the mode to SSB, key in those confirmations, they change the band to 80 CW, then 80 SSB, etc. It's not as easy as our computer logging software. 73 - Jim AD1C -- Jim Reisert AD1C, 7 Charlemont Court, North Chelmsford, MA 01863 USA +978-251-9933, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.ad1c.us Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
