Re: [DX-CHAT] How does a DXpedition to Somalia get approved by ARRL?
As far as I know the 7O1YGF-group have no documentation to turn in... 7O1A did send in documentation but was not approved as a good one. 73/DX de Osten SM5DQC[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Bernie McClenny [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Joel Magid' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Jim Reisert AD1C' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 7:03 PM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] How does a DXpedition to Somalia get approved by ARRL? My understanding is that 7O1YGF has not turned in any papers. Bernie Bernie McClenny, W3UR Now more than ever - you need The Daily DX and The Weekly DX - to keep up with the DX news from around the globe! Editor of - The Daily DX -- two free weeks http://www.dailydx.com/order.htm - The Weekly DX -- free sample http://www.dailydx.com/weekly2.html - How's DX http://www.dailydx.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joel Magid Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 17:13 To: Jim Reisert AD1C; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] How does a DXpedition to Somalia get approved by ARRL? Jim, Great question and when they (ARRL) determine the answer they should apply the set of rule to 7O1YGF :) Joel W1JMM -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jim Reisert AD1C Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 3:46 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] How does a DXpedition to Somalia get approved by ARRL? I was reading an article today and this line caught my eye: Somalia has had no effective government since 1991, when warlords ousted a dictatorship and then turned on each other, carving the nation of 8.2 million into a patchwork of fiefdoms. (from http://www.boston.com/news/odd/articles/2006/01/22/us_navy_seizes_pirate_shi p_off_somalia/ ) So how does the ARRL determine whether a license was issued by the proper authority? 73 - Jim AD1C -- Jim Reisert AD1C, 7 Charlemont Court, North Chelmsford, MA 01863 USA +978-251-9933, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.ad1c.us Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] How does a DXpedition to Somalia get approved by ARRL?
Anyone who was with the 7O1YGF team read this forum and care to comment? Joel -Original Message- From: Osten B Magnusson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jan 26, 2006 1:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Joel Magid' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Jim Reisert AD1C' [EMAIL PROTECTED], dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] How does a DXpedition to Somalia get approved by ARRL? As far as I know the 7O1YGF-group have no documentation to turn in... 7O1A did send in documentation but was not approved as a good one. 73/DX de Osten SM5DQC[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Bernie McClenny [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Joel Magid' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Jim Reisert AD1C' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 7:03 PM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] How does a DXpedition to Somalia get approved by ARRL? My understanding is that 7O1YGF has not turned in any papers. Bernie Bernie McClenny, W3UR Now more than ever - you need The Daily DX and The Weekly DX - to keep up with the DX news from around the globe! Editor of - The Daily DX -- two free weeks http://www.dailydx.com/order.htm - The Weekly DX -- free sample http://www.dailydx.com/weekly2.html - How's DX http://www.dailydx.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joel Magid Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 17:13 To: Jim Reisert AD1C; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] How does a DXpedition to Somalia get approved by ARRL? Jim, Great question and when they (ARRL) determine the answer they should apply the set of rule to 7O1YGF :) Joel W1JMM -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jim Reisert AD1C Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 3:46 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] How does a DXpedition to Somalia get approved by ARRL? I was reading an article today and this line caught my eye: Somalia has had no effective government since 1991, when warlords ousted a dictatorship and then turned on each other, carving the nation of 8.2 million into a patchwork of fiefdoms. (from http://www.boston.com/news/odd/articles/2006/01/22/us_navy_seizes_pirate_shi p_off_somalia/ ) So how does the ARRL determine whether a license was issued by the proper authority? 73 - Jim AD1C -- Jim Reisert AD1C, 7 Charlemont Court, North Chelmsford, MA 01863 USA +978-251-9933, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.ad1c.us Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] How does a DXpedition to Somalia get approved by ARRL?
WISH SOMEONE WOULD COMMENT FROM THE GROUP... and send in some papers WHY.?? because like most i tore my guts out trying to work them on the low bands and did.!!! David VK3EW At 05:36 AM 27/01/2006, you wrote: Anyone who was with the 7O1YGF team read this forum and care to comment? Joel -Original Message- From: Osten B Magnusson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jan 26, 2006 1:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Joel Magid' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Jim Reisert AD1C' [EMAIL PROTECTED], dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] How does a DXpedition to Somalia get approved by ARRL? As far as I know the 7O1YGF-group have no documentation to turn in... 7O1A did send in documentation but was not approved as a good one. 73/DX de Osten SM5DQC [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Bernie McClenny [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Joel Magid' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Jim Reisert AD1C' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 7:03 PM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] How does a DXpedition to Somalia get approved by ARRL? My understanding is that 7O1YGF has not turned in any papers. Bernie Bernie McClenny, W3UR Now more than ever - you need The Daily DX and The Weekly DX - to keep up with the DX news from around the globe! Editor of - The Daily DX -- two free weeks http://www.dailydx.com/order.htm - The Weekly DX -- free sample http://www.dailydx.com/weekly2.html - How's DX http://www.dailydx.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Joel Magid Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 17:13 To: Jim Reisert AD1C; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] How does a DXpedition to Somalia get approved by ARRL? Jim, Great question and when they (ARRL) determine the answer they should apply the set of rule to 7O1YGF :) Joel W1JMM -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jim Reisert AD1C Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 3:46 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] How does a DXpedition to Somalia get approved by ARRL? I was reading an article today and this line caught my eye: Somalia has had no effective government since 1991, when warlords ousted a dictatorship and then turned on each other, carving the nation of 8.2 million into a patchwork of fiefdoms. (from http://www.boston.com/news/odd/articles/2006/01/22/us_navy_seizes_pirate_shi p_off_somalia/ ) So how does the ARRL determine whether a license was issued by the proper authority? 73 - Jim AD1C -- Jim Reisert AD1C, 7 Charlemont Court, North Chelmsford, MA 01863 USA +978-251-9933, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.ad1c.us Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] How does a DXpedition to Somalia get approved by ARRL?
For what it's worth... We last discussed the 7O1YGF situation, just shy of a year ago. I had a private reply from someone high up in the League (no, sorry, I'm not at liberty to say who... and yes, that person would know, they're still lurking on this reflector) in response to one of my reply posts (I believe the thread at the time involved what constituted proof that the group had permission to operate. The relevant part to the current discussion: The bottom line is that if we had any indication in writing of an import permit we'd be counting 7O1YGF. In fact, one of the group (who has been in ZL for 3.5 years) sent me a document (in Arabic) two weeks ago, thinking it might have some reference to importing equipment, but unfortunately it did not. I strongly suspect that the license never existed on paper; that there was only a verbal permission; and that the person(s) who gave that permission, explicitly or implicitly, are not (or no longer) in a position to even admit that they gave permission -- it might be their neck(s), and I mean that literally. And while I can't speak for the DXCC desk, I also strongly suspect that if the group still has the paperwork to indicate that they did enter Yemen legally and had permission to bring their gear with them, it can go a long, long way to getting the long awaited approval. 73, ron wn3vaw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David McAulay Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 4:06 PM To: Joel Magid; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] How does a DXpedition to Somalia get approved by ARRL? WISH SOMEONE WOULD COMMENT FROM THE GROUP... and send in some papers WHY.?? because like most i tore my guts out trying to work them on the low bands and did.!!! David VK3EW At 05:36 AM 27/01/2006, you wrote: Anyone who was with the 7O1YGF team read this forum and care to comment? Joel -Original Message- From: Osten B Magnusson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jan 26, 2006 1:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Joel Magid' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Jim Reisert AD1C' [EMAIL PROTECTED], dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] How does a DXpedition to Somalia get approved by ARRL? As far as I know the 7O1YGF-group have no documentation to turn in... 7O1A did send in documentation but was not approved as a good one. 73/DX de Osten SM5DQC[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Bernie McClenny [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Joel Magid' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Jim Reisert AD1C' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 7:03 PM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] How does a DXpedition to Somalia get approved by ARRL? My understanding is that 7O1YGF has not turned in any papers. Bernie Bernie McClenny, W3UR Now more than ever - you need The Daily DX and The Weekly DX - to keep up with the DX news from around the globe! Editor of - The Daily DX -- two free weeks http://www.dailydx.com/order.htm - The Weekly DX -- free sample http://www.dailydx.com/weekly2.html - How's DX http://www.dailydx.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joel Magid Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 17:13 To: Jim Reisert AD1C; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] How does a DXpedition to Somalia get approved by ARRL? Jim, Great question and when they (ARRL) determine the answer they should apply the set of rule to 7O1YGF :) Joel W1JMM -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jim Reisert AD1C Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 3:46 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] How does a DXpedition to Somalia get approved by ARRL? I was reading an article today and this line caught my eye: Somalia has had no effective government since 1991, when warlords ousted a dictatorship and then turned on each other, carving the nation of 8.2 million into a patchwork of fiefdoms. (from http://www.boston.com/news/odd/articles/2006/01/22/us_navy_seizes_pirate_shi p_off_somalia/ ) So how does the ARRL determine whether a license was issued by the proper authority? 73 - Jim AD1C -- Jim Reisert AD1C, 7 Charlemont Court, North Chelmsford, MA 01863 USA +978-251-9933, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.ad1c.us Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems
Re: [DX-CHAT] How does a DXpedition to Somalia get approved by ARRL?
Well that's an interesting question. About 5 years agoG3VMW and myselfbroached the idea of going to activate T5. I called the ARRL DXCC desk to ask then directly what evidence of permission we'd need. The conversation was a bit comical and went rather like this:G0OIL: "Who needs to provide documents?" ARRL: "Oh, the government" G0OIL: "there's no government" ARRL: Oh, well the PTT G0OIL: "There's no PTT, no postal service, no telephones" ARRL: "Oh, well who are you working for?" G0OIL: "No-one. It's a DXpedition" ARRL: "Ah, well ..er.. someone in authority" G0OIL: "No-one's in authority, there are a few regional warlords who might look after us" ARRL: "Oh, well I don't know" G0OIL: "Will one of the warlords do?" ARRL: Er...I don't know" G0OIL: "Well who? You tell me whose signature to get on what piece of paper and I'll get it" ARRL: "Oh, well I don't know. You get a signature and run it past us" G0OIL: "What, we go to Somalia, without knowing how to get an operation approved on the off chance that you might be happy with the documentation?" ARRL: "Erwell...erm."Well needless to say, we didn't bother. I got the impression that if I'd called them saying my callsign was OH2BH they'd have bent over backwards to help, but because they didn't know me they played just like a dumb government agency. I talked to the Somali Peoples' Information Centre in London who told me the extent of the chaos and lawlessness in that country. It was a tragic story. They were so keen to help us if we could help them to set up some shortwave communications and with a bit of help from the ARRL by way of guidance about approval we could maybe have brought a bit of focus and a bit of help for the people in T5. How do you try to get in touch with family in a civil war zone when there are no phones, no mail and you have no radios nor money to buy them?To be fair to the ARRL, I think thestate of affairshas changed a bit now. I think the current situation is that the north of the country has a semblance of government, Sharia law, peace and stability. Mogadishu and the south of the country are apparently like the Wild West, or in this case the Wild East. I believe that when DJ6SI do went over there a couple of years ago (T5X???) they were in the north, and it's the north (Somaliland??) that now issues 6O calls.So, to answer your question you'd better call the ARRL. N7NG seems a lot more helpful than the previous guy so maybe he can shed some light on the issue.Dave G0OILJim Reisert AD1C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was reading an article today and this line caught my eye:"Somalia has had no effective government since 1991, when warlords ousted a dictatorship and then turned on each other, carving the nation of 8.2 million into a patchwork of fiefdoms."(from http://www.boston.com/news/odd/articles/2006/01/22/us_navy_seizes_pirate_ship_off_somalia/ )So how does the ARRL determine whether a license was issued by the proper authority?73 - Jim AD1C-- Jim Reisert AD1C, 7 Charlemont Court, North Chelmsford, MA 01863 USA +978-251-9933, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.ad1c.usSubscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chatTo post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.orgThis is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] How does a DXpedition to Somalia get approved by ARRL?
Jim I think ARRL policy on this subject has been written rather clear in the ARRL DX Bulletin 32 from August 12, 2004: Operations approved for DXCC credit: Effective immediately, the ARRL DXCC Branch will accept QSLs for operation taking place in the Somaliland (northwestern Somalia) and Puntland (northeastern Somalia) autonomous areas as well as the southern and central areas of Somalia. Operations possessing written permission from any recognized authority that is acknowledged to be in control of a particular region will be accredited. These QSLs will count for the Somali Democratic Republic (Somalia). QSLs for past operations will be accepted where proper documentation has been submitted. This is subject to change based on future developments in Somalia. As far as I know Somaliland has a quite effective government. Because of this Baldur DJ6SI did ask separate DXCC-status for Somaliland a few years ago, but ARRL did not approve. I think Somaliland is the authority that gives out 6O- licenses, but I am not sure. I dont see any similarity here with Yemen (as stated by W1JMM). 73 Wim pa0wrs Citeren Jim Reisert AD1C [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I was reading an article today and this line caught my eye: Somalia has had no effective government since 1991, when warlords ousted a dictatorship and then turned on each other, carving the nation of 8.2 million into a patchwork of fiefdoms. (from http://www.boston.com/news/odd/articles/2006/01/22/us_navy_seizes_pirate_ship_o ff_somalia/ ) So how does the ARRL determine whether a license was issued by the proper authority? 73 - Jim AD1C -- Jim Reisert AD1C, 7 Charlemont Court, North Chelmsford, MA 01863 USA +978-251-9933, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.ad1c.us Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] How does a DXpedition to Somalia get approved by ARRL?
Jim, Great question and when they (ARRL) determine the answer they should apply the set of rule to 7O1YGF :) Joel W1JMM -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jim Reisert AD1C Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 3:46 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] How does a DXpedition to Somalia get approved by ARRL? I was reading an article today and this line caught my eye: Somalia has had no effective government since 1991, when warlords ousted a dictatorship and then turned on each other, carving the nation of 8.2 million into a patchwork of fiefdoms. (from http://www.boston.com/news/odd/articles/2006/01/22/us_navy_seizes_pirate_shi p_off_somalia/ ) So how does the ARRL determine whether a license was issued by the proper authority? 73 - Jim AD1C -- Jim Reisert AD1C, 7 Charlemont Court, North Chelmsford, MA 01863 USA +978-251-9933, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.ad1c.us Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
