RE: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW
HumOK I did not know that. Where else can they transmit on SSB that stations in the upper 48 can not? I know they can transmit on 40 down below. Is there a frequency chart for KG4? Bernie Bernie McClenny, W3UR Now more than ever - you need The Daily DX and The Weekly DX - to keep up with the DX news from around the globe! Editor of - The Daily DX -- two free weeks http://www.dailydx.com/order.htm - The Weekly DX -- free sample http://www.dailydx.com/weekly2.html - How's DX http://www.dailydx.com Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW
That has to be a typo. I'm sure DJ1CW meant KG4WW down in Guantanamo 73 -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 3:01 PMTo: dx-chat@njdxa.orgSubject: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW Hi folks, Listening to KG44WW on 14118.6. What country is this? Thanks, WV2B"Nothinggreatiseverachievedwithoutenthusiasm."-RalphWaldoEmerson.
RE: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW
Nope... KG44WW down below the US SSB allocations I heard 'em too. John K5MO At 03:25 PM 3/25/2006, Ron Notarius WN3VAW wrote: That has to be a typo. I'm sure DJ1CW meant KG4WW down in Guantanamo 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 3:01 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW Hi folks, Listening to KG44WW on 14118.6. What country is this? Thanks, WV2B Nothing great is ever achieved without enthusiasm.- Ralph Waldo Emerson. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/292 - Release Date: 3/24/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/292 - Release Date: 3/24/2006 Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW
Yeah, I went and looked up all the spots for KG4... some are spotting him with one 4, some with 2. This is interesting. Assuming for the moment that he IS operating from Guantanamo Bay, one wonders if he (KG4WW?) got permission from whomever it is on the base that issues calls to add the extra 4. However, this does bring up an interesting legal questions, since only KG4 2x2 calls are allocated by the FCC to the US Military for Guantanamo. And a US prefixed call like this is not normally allocated to the US Amateur Service (and yes, I know there've been some exceptions over the years, such as some of the calls out around the '84 Olympics... I'm not talking about those). I seem to remember seeing calls of this nature allocated to aircraft and TV transmitter translaters and transponders and such. All I can say is... WFWL, and if this character is legit, he's going to have some explaining to do after the contest! 73 -Original Message- From: john [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 3:51 PM To: Ron Notarius WN3VAW; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW Nope... KG44WW down below the US SSB allocations I heard 'em too. John K5MO At 03:25 PM 3/25/2006, Ron Notarius WN3VAW wrote: That has to be a typo. I'm sure DJ1CW meant KG4WW down in Guantanamo 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 3:01 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW Hi folks, Listening to KG44WW on 14118.6. What country is this? Thanks, WV2B Nothing great is ever achieved without enthusiasm.- Ralph Waldo Emerson. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/292 - Release Date: 3/24/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/292 - Release Date: 3/24/2006 Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW
...along with the US stations who are calling him on freq (which at the time, was well below the US phone section of the band!) John K5MO At 04:14 PM 3/25/2006, Ron Notarius WN3VAW wrote: All I can say is... WFWL, and if this character is legit, he's going to have some explaining to do after the contest! 73 -Original Message- From: john [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 3:51 PM To: Ron Notarius WN3VAW; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW Nope... KG44WW down below the US SSB allocations I heard 'em too. John K5MO At 03:25 PM 3/25/2006, Ron Notarius WN3VAW wrote: That has to be a typo. I'm sure DJ1CW meant KG4WW down in Guantanamo 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 3:01 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW Hi folks, Listening to KG44WW on 14118.6. What country is this? Thanks, WV2B Nothing great is ever achieved without enthusiasm.- Ralph Waldo Emerson. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/292 - Release Date: 3/24/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/292 - Release Date: 3/24/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/292 - Release Date: 3/24/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/292 - Release Date: 3/24/2006 Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW
The number of US stations that operate outside our bands and subbands, during any contest, always amazes me. Apparently, there are those who do don't understand a thing about SSB or CW bandwidth. Most hams consider single-sideband suppressed carrier to be about 3 kHz wide. Which isn't necessarily true while on CW bandwidth depends on rise and fall times. Your CW bandwidth can be as wide as 150 Hz and or 375 Hz depending on rise and fall times of 5 to 2 ms. The SSB comment is only true if ones shape of the band limiting filter is sharp enough to attenuate the signal to -40 db at 3 kHz. It's important to remember that your carrier and all of your sidebands must be confined within the amateur bands and subbands as applicable. vy 73, Nick W9UM - Original Message - From: john [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ron Notarius WN3VAW [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 3:27 PM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW ...along with the US stations who are calling him on freq (which at the time, was well below the US phone section of the band!) John K5MO At 04:14 PM 3/25/2006, Ron Notarius WN3VAW wrote: All I can say is... WFWL, and if this character is legit, he's going to have some explaining to do after the contest! 73 -Original Message- From: john [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 3:51 PM To: Ron Notarius WN3VAW; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW Nope... KG44WW down below the US SSB allocations I heard 'em too. John K5MO At 03:25 PM 3/25/2006, Ron Notarius WN3VAW wrote: That has to be a typo. I'm sure DJ1CW meant KG4WW down in Guantanamo 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 3:01 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW Hi folks, Listening to KG44WW on 14118.6. What country is this? Thanks, WV2B Nothing great is ever achieved without enthusiasm.- Ralph Waldo Emerson. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/292 - Release Date: 3/24/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/292 - Release Date: 3/24/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/292 - Release Date: 3/24/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/292 - Release Date: 3/24/2006 Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW
For what it's worth, I just heard him CQing and he specifically said >From Guantanamo Bay, so I guess that's where he is. As you said, WFWL.73, David, K2DBKOn 3/25/06, Ron Notarius WN3VAW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I went and looked up all the spots for KG4... some are spotting himwith one 4, some with 2.This is interesting.Assuming for the moment that he IS operating fromGuantanamo Bay, one wonders if he (KG4WW?) got permission from whomever it is on the base that issues calls to add the extra 4.However, this doesbring up an interesting legal questions, since only KG4 2x2 calls areallocated by the FCC to the US Military for Guantanamo.And a US prefixed call like this is not normally allocated to the US Amateur Service (and yes, I know there've been some exceptions over the years, suchas some of the calls out around the '84 Olympics... I'm not talking aboutthose).I seem to remember seeing calls of this nature allocated to aircraft and TV transmitter translaters and transponders and such.All I can say is... WFWL, and if this character is legit, he's going to havesome explaining to do after the contest!73 -Original Message-From: john [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 3:51 PMTo: Ron Notarius WN3VAW; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; dx-chat@njdxa.orgSubject: RE: [DX-CHAT] KG44WWNope... KG44WWdown below the US SSB allocations I heard 'em too.John K5MOAt 03:25 PM 3/25/2006, Ron Notarius WN3VAW wrote: That has to be a typo.I'm sure DJ1CW meant KG4WW down in Guantanamo73-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 3:01 PMTo: dx-chat@njdxa.orgSubject: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW Hi folks,Listening to KG44WW on 14118.6. What country is this?Thanks,WV2BNothing great is ever achieved without enthusiasm.- Ralph Waldo Emerson. No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/292 - Release Date: 3/24/2006--No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/292 - Release Date: 3/24/2006Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problemshttp://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.orgThis is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXAhttp://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW
Operations from Guantanamo (licensing and callsign assignment) are
under the jurisdiction of the military, not FCC.
Bob, N7XY
On Mar 25, 2006, at 11:40 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Folks,
Thanks for the replies. I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing
something.
I have sent an inquiry to ARRL Field Services to see if there is
any input on the situation.
The best as I can see, operating under the authority of an FCC
license does not allow any station is US territory to operate
beyond Extra Class privileges {on 20 Meters}. Or to operate with a
callsign outside the assigned call of the station. If the FCC has
granted authority to officials at Gitmo to assign calls, then maybe
the call is Kosher. Prefixes can be added with a slant bar, but the
operator can not choose to alter the assigned call. If I hear
anything regarding this I'll update the list.
I don't know if I missed what spurred the comment about the 3 KHz
wide SSB sigs. But, it was good to listen to 14.348 and above, hear
the DX calling cq, but no US stations answering. This was not the
case in ARRL DX this month. What most ops don't consider is that
the dial frequency is the suppressed carrier frequency. So on
twenty, a dial frequency above 13.347 puts the sig squarely outside
the ham band. Same closer than 3 KHz from the bottom of a band on
LSB. Just cause the DX is calling CQ there doesn't mean US stations
should call there!
I did find it interesting to hear KG44WW scolding US stations for
calling him out of band. Unless I learn something new about
operating from Gitmo I thought he was out of band.
73 for now,
Duane, WV2B
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Emerson.
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RE: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW
Strictly speaking, operations from Guantanamo Bay come
under the authority of the base commander and those he has delegated to -- ie
the US Military -- not the FCC. Therefore, if the KG44WW op has permission
to operate below the US band on 20, he's kosher. And further, those in the
US who are answering him simplex below 14.150 ARE in violation of FCC rules,
which they are subject to.
Wonder
how many Popkingrams this little fiasco will generate?
Again,
though, I have a question about the valildity of the call sign. Again, as
I understand the rules, the FCC long ago allocated the KG4 2x2 block for use by
the military on Guantanamo. A double-number call is strictly speaking not
a 2x2, and strictly speaking, is not considered in the US an Amateur service
call sign.
I'm
sure that sometime early next week, the Powers That Be will shake this one
out. In the meantime, as I said before, WFWL, and enjoy it while you
can... I couldn't put my vertical up this morning (the neighborhood kids were
running around the back yard, paying no attention to fences, and I couldn't risk
injury to the antenna. Oh yeah, the kids too) so I'm relegated to
listening but not operating. Now if the bank comes through with the
mortgage next week, that too may change...
73
-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:40
PMTo: dx-chat@njdxa.orgSubject: [DX-CHAT]
KG44WW
Hi Folks,
Thanks for the replies. I wanted to make sure I wasn't
missing something.
I have sent an inquiry to ARRL Field Services to see if there is any input
on the situation.
The best as I can see, operating under the authority of an FCC license does
notallow any station is US territoryto operate beyond
ExtraClass privileges {on 20 Meters}. Or to operate with a callsign
outside theassigned call of the station. If the FCC has granted
authority to officials at Gitmo to assign calls, then maybe the call is
Kosher. Prefixes can be added with a slant bar, but the operator can not
choose to alter the assigned call. If I hear anything regarding this I'll
update the list.
Idon't know if I missed what spurred the comment about the 3 KHz wide
SSB sigs. But, it was good to listen to 14.348 and above, hear the DX calling
cq, but no US stations answering. This was not the case in ARRL DX this month.
What most ops don't consider is that the dial frequency is the suppressed
carrier frequency. So on twenty, a dial frequency above 13.347 puts the sig
squarely outside the ham band. Same closer than 3 KHz from the bottom of a
band on LSB.Just cause the DX is calling CQ there doesn't mean US
stations should call there!
I did find it interesting to hear KG44WW scolding US stations for calling
him out of band. Unless I learn something new about operating from Gitmo I
thought he was out of band.
73 for now,
Duane,
WV2B"Nothinggreatiseverachievedwithoutenthusiasm."-RalphWaldoEmerson.
Re: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW
Ron Notarius WN3VAW wrote: Wonder how many Popkingrams this little fiasco will generate? Aren't you dating yourself Ron? Is Dave still around? I remember him from the 50s and 60s in New York. Larry -- Larry Alkoff N2LA - Austin TX Using Thunderbird on Slackware Linux Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW
As far as I know he is... I got one from him about 3 -4 years ago or so. Now if you're a stamp collector and want some vintage 1960's era stamps, just stray near a band edge during a major contest (especially at the high end of 20) and you'll hear from Dave! 73 -Original Message- From: Larry Alkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 9:16 PM To: Ron Notarius WN3VAW Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW Ron Notarius WN3VAW wrote: Wonder how many Popkingrams this little fiasco will generate? Aren't you dating yourself Ron? Is Dave still around? I remember him from the 50s and 60s in New York. Larry -- Larry Alkoff N2LA - Austin TX Using Thunderbird on Slackware Linux Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW
Whats a little bending of the rules?
A simplex DX pile up is intentional QRM by all the callers, or (attempted) stealing of someones run frequency in a contest (if you transmit when you even think it might interfere with another transmission, thats Intentional_QRM...very illegal). Then theres the good old use no more power than absolutely necessary for the QSO, none of us would ever violate that, would we? Or, for that matter, five over the speed limit?
Let he who is without sin...
Don N77EF...
-- Original message from "Ron Notarius WN3VAW" [EMAIL PROTECTED]: --
Strictly speaking, operations from Guantanamo Bay come under the authority of the base commander and those he has delegated to -- ie the US Military -- not the FCC. Therefore, if the KG44WW op has permission to operate below the US band on 20, he's kosher. And further, those in the US who are answering him simplex below 14.150 ARE in violation of FCC rules, which they are subject to.
Wonder how many Popkingrams this little fiasco will generate?
Again, though, I have a question about the valildity of the call sign. Again, as I understand the rules, the FCC long ago allocated the KG4 2x2 block for use by the military on Guantanamo. A double-number call is strictly speaking not a 2x2, and strictly speaking, is not considered in the US an Amateur service call sign.
I'm sure that sometime early next week, the Powers That Be will shake this one out. In the meantime, as I said before, WFWL, and enjoy it while you can... I couldn't put my vertical up this morning (the neighborhood kids were running around the back yard, paying no attention to fences, and I couldn't risk injury to the antenna. Oh yeah, the kids too) so I'm relegated to listening but not operating. Now if the bank comes through with the mortgage next week, that too may change...
73
-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:40 PMTo: dx-chat@njdxa.orgSubject: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW
Hi Folks,
Thanks for the replies. I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something.
I have sent an inquiry to ARRL Field Services to see if there is any input on the situation.
The best as I can see, operating under the authority of an FCC license does notallow any station is US territoryto operate beyond ExtraClass privileges {on 20 Meters}. Or to operate with a callsign outside theassigned call of the station. If the FCC has granted authority to officials at Gitmo to assign calls, then maybe the call is Kosher. Prefixes can be added with a slant bar, but the operator can not choose to alter the assigned call. If I hear anything regarding this I'll update the list.
Idon't know if I missed what spurred the comment about the 3 KHz wide SSB sigs. But, it was good to listen to 14.348 and above, hear the DX calling cq, but no US stations answering. This was not the case in ARRL DX this month. What most ops don't consider is that the dial frequency is the suppressed carrier frequency. So on twenty, a dial frequency above 13.347 puts the sig squarely outside the ham band. Same closer than 3 KHz from the bottom of a band on LSB.Just cause the DX is calling CQ there doesn't mean US stations should call there!
I did find it interesting to hear KG44WW scolding US stations for calling him out of band. Unless I learn something new about operating from Gitmo I thought he was out of band.
73 for now,
Duane, WV2B"Nothinggreatiseverachievedwithoutenthusiasm."-RalphWaldoEmerson.
RE: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW
Now THAT is a very good question... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bernie McClenny, W3UR Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 9:59 PM To: 'Ron Notarius WN3VAW'; 'john'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW Are Guantanamo Bay stations allowed to transmit on SSB below 14150? Bernie Bernie McClenny, W3UR Now more than ever - you need The Daily DX and The Weekly DX - to keep up with the DX news from around the globe! Editor of - The Daily DX -- two free weeks http://www.dailydx.com/order.htm - The Weekly DX -- free sample http://www.dailydx.com/weekly2.html - How's DX http://www.dailydx.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Notarius WN3VAW Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 16:15 To: john; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW Yeah, I went and looked up all the spots for KG4... some are spotting him with one 4, some with 2. This is interesting. Assuming for the moment that he IS operating from Guantanamo Bay, one wonders if he (KG4WW?) got permission from whomever it is on the base that issues calls to add the extra 4. However, this does bring up an interesting legal questions, since only KG4 2x2 calls are allocated by the FCC to the US Military for Guantanamo. And a US prefixed call like this is not normally allocated to the US Amateur Service (and yes, I know there've been some exceptions over the years, such as some of the calls out around the '84 Olympics... I'm not talking about those). I seem to remember seeing calls of this nature allocated to aircraft and TV transmitter translaters and transponders and such. All I can say is... WFWL, and if this character is legit, he's going to have some explaining to do after the contest! 73 -Original Message- From: john [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 3:51 PM To: Ron Notarius WN3VAW; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW Nope... KG44WW down below the US SSB allocations I heard 'em too. John K5MO At 03:25 PM 3/25/2006, Ron Notarius WN3VAW wrote: That has to be a typo. I'm sure DJ1CW meant KG4WW down in Guantanamo 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 3:01 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW Hi folks, Listening to KG44WW on 14118.6. What country is this? Thanks, WV2B Nothing great is ever achieved without enthusiasm.- Ralph Waldo Emerson. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/292 - Release Date: 3/24/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/292 - Release Date: 3/24/2006 Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW
Well,
I just got told (privately) by someone that claims to know, that since KG4WW is
the "licensing entity for GITMO," and that KG44WW is still considered a 2x2, the
operation is legal.
Whatever. Since I'm not privy to the details of
how the FCC allocates a call sign block to the military, nor privy to exactly
how the military assigns calls for places like Guantanamo, I'm in no position to
argue that point. I'm sure come Monday or so, someone will make an actual
determination.
Assuming that the statement above is correct about
KG4WW being the "licensing entity," I hope for his sake that he doesn't get his
butt in a sling if someone decides that KG44WW should not have been used on the
amateur bands.
Ad
infinitum ad nauesum.
Good
luck in the 'test guys!
73
-Original Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006
10:03 PMTo: Ron Notarius WN3VAW; dx-chat@njdxa.orgSubject:
RE: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW
Whats a little bending of the rules?
A simplex DX
pile up is intentional QRM by all the callers, or (attempted) stealing of
someones run frequency in a contest (if you transmit when you even think it might interfere
with another transmission, thats Intentional_QRM...very illegal). Then theres the good old use no more
power than absolutely necessary for the QSO, none of us would ever violate that, would we? Or, for that matter, five over
the speed limit?
Let he who is without sin...
Don N77EF...
--
Original message from "Ron Notarius WN3VAW" [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
--
Strictly speaking, operations from Guantanamo Bay
come under the authority of the base commander and those he has delegated to
-- ie the US Military -- not the FCC. Therefore, if the KG44WW op has
permission to operate below the US band on 20, he's kosher. And
further, those in the US who are answering him simplex below 14.150 ARE in
violation of FCC rules, which they are subject to.
Wonder how many Popkingrams this little fiasco will
generate?
Again, though, I have a question about the
valildity of the call sign. Again, as I understand the rules, the FCC
long ago allocated the KG4 2x2 block for use by the military on
Guantanamo. A double-number call is strictly speaking not a 2x2, and
strictly speaking, is not considered in the US an Amateur service call
sign.
I'm sure that sometime early next week, the Powers
That Be will shake this one out. In the meantime, as I said before,
WFWL, and enjoy it while you can... I couldn't put my vertical up this
morning (the neighborhood kids were running around the back yard, paying no
attention to fences, and I couldn't risk injury to the antenna. Oh
yeah, the kids too) so I'm relegated to listening but not operating.
Now if the bank comes through with the mortgage next week, that too may
change...
73
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KG44WW
Hi Folks,
Thanks for the replies. I wanted to make sure I wasn't
missing something.
I have sent an inquiry to ARRL Field Services to see if there is any
input on the situation.
The best as I can see, operating under the authority of an FCC license
does notallow any station is US territoryto operate
beyond ExtraClass privileges {on 20 Meters}. Or to operate with a
callsign outside theassigned call of the station. If the FCC has
granted authority to officials at Gitmo to assign calls, then maybe the
call is Kosher. Prefixes can be added with a slant bar, but the operator
can not choose to alter the assigned call. If I hear anything regarding
this I'll update the list.
Idon't know if I missed what spurred the comment about the 3 KHz
wide SSB sigs. But, it was good to listen to 14.348 and above, hear the DX
calling cq, but no US stations answering. This was not the case in ARRL DX
this month. What most ops don't consider is that the dial frequency is the
suppressed carrier frequency. So on twenty, a dial frequency above 13.347
puts the sig squarely outside the ham band. Same closer than 3 KHz from
the bottom of a band on LSB.Just cause the DX is calling CQ there
doesn't mean US stations should call there!
I did find it interesting to hear KG44WW scolding US stations for
calling him out of band. Unless I learn something new about operating from
Gitmo I thought he was out of band.
73 for now,
Duane,
WV2B"Nothinggreatiseverachievedwithoutenthusiasm."-RalphWaldoEmerson.
Re: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW
YES! Bernie McClenny, W3UR wrote: Are Guantanamo Bay stations allowed to transmit on SSB below 14150? Bernie Bernie McClenny, W3UR Now more than ever - you need The Daily DX and The Weekly DX - to keep up with the DX news from around the globe! Editor of - The Daily DX -- two free weeks http://www.dailydx.com/order.htm - The Weekly DX -- free sample http://www.dailydx.com/weekly2.html - How's DX http://www.dailydx.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Ron Notarius WN3VAW Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 16:15 To: john; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW Yeah, I went and looked up all the spots for KG4... some are spotting him with one "4", some with 2. This is interesting. Assuming for the moment that he IS operating from Guantanamo Bay, one wonders if he (KG4WW?) got permission from whomever it is on the base that issues calls to add the extra 4. However, this does bring up an interesting legal questions, since only KG4 2x2 calls are allocated by the FCC to the US Military for Guantanamo. And a US prefixed call like this is not normally allocated to the US Amateur Service (and yes, I know there've been some exceptions over the years, such as some of the calls out around the '84 Olympics... I'm not talking about those). I seem to remember seeing calls of this nature allocated to aircraft and TV transmitter translaters and transponders and such. All I can say is... WFWL, and if this character is legit, he's going to have some explaining to do after the contest! 73 -Original Message- From: john [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 3:51 PM To: Ron Notarius WN3VAW; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW Nope... KG44WW down below the US SSB allocations I heard 'em too. John K5MO At 03:25 PM 3/25/2006, Ron Notarius WN3VAW wrote: That has to be a typo. I'm sure DJ1CW meant KG4WW down in Guantanamo 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 3:01 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW Hi folks, Listening to KG44WW on 14118.6. What country is this? Thanks, WV2B "Nothing great is ever achieved without enthusiasm."- Ralph Waldo Emerson. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/292 - Release Date: 3/24/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/292 - Release Date: 3/24/2006 Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
