[DX-CHAT] Re: [DX-NEWS] DXpedition calling practices

2011-07-26 Thread Z32ZM Mome
 
I Mostly agree,
BUT  best way to eliminate most of the heavy pile-up problems is to SPREAD it  
larger  as possible
i.e.  CW -  TX on .025  & RX  UP - higher as possible & usse the jump lsn  .032 
 then .044 then 059 & back etc. 
its verry bad when DX  usse so called "DRIVE"  move step by step UP & then  
down - then everybody know where DX is lsn & all pile-up is focused in just few 
KHz & QRM is too heavy , while other - midle freq  are  mostly empty with few 
callers.
same on SSB , its verry hard for both sides if  DX stn  lsn 200-210 - QRM is 
too heavy & focused in just few KHz
 its much better  to usse 200-250  FULL CALL PLEASE &  usse the jumping allso.
In this case:
- there will be not much stations calling on same  freq  - so NOT much QRM-ers,
- trying to find where DX is lsn. to give a call is not much productive & just 
loosing of  time
- giving full call on SSB will produce more uniq CALL's in DX LOG 

However MOST IMPORTANT is to LISTEN & LISTEN what DX stn. saying (keying)!
 IF DX  say  2ZM?  -  ALL others QUIET - If You do so - then QSO with 2ZM will 
finish verry soon & You will have chance to work the DX too - before CONDX 
gone, otherwise You just can go to the black list of  DX operator & He will try 
to ESCAPE QSO with You.

JA's  ALLWAYS  IMPRESS Me with their discipline!  

HAVE NICE DAY &  ENJOY THE DX-ing !

Stay Tuned on SIX!!!
73 , GL & DX !!!   de:  Mome Z32ZM , AH6ZM, 3D2ZM

- Original Message - 
From: "Wayne Mills" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 10:19 PM
Subject: RE: [DX-NEWS] DXpedition calling practices


> Working numbers can work, but it is arbitrary and not the most effective. It
> really accomplishes nothing but dividing the pileup. It accomplishes nothing
> more. There are better ways.
> 
> The DXpeditioner should be paying attention to propagation and where/whom he
> is working. An important DXpedition must pay attention to the "target" area,
> the one of the three population centers in the world that is be the most
> difficult. Working by continents accomplishes this as well as dividing the
> pileup. Where you have two more-or-less equal targets you can even run two
> separate pileups, one in each area. Yes, it can be done, even on CW. Even
> Europe!
> 
> Wayne
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Dave Gomberg
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:00 PM
> To: dx-n...@njdxa.org
> Subject: RE: [DX-NEWS] DXpedition calling practices
> 
> At 11:46 7/26/2011, Wayne Mills wrote:
>>Numbers don't work, either.
> 
> Wayne, can you say more about this?   I have seen it be pretty 
> effective from both ends.
> 
> 
> 
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[DX-CHAT] Re: [DX-NEWS] DXpedition calling practices

2011-07-26 Thread Zack Widup
 
I believe 3Y0PI and a few others, by trying to follow the propagation paths,
would work USA in the order 1-2-3-4-8-9-0-5-7-6. Seemed pretty successful
for them.

There have been operations especially from the Pacific that completely
ignored propagation. They'd have paths to USA and JA at the same time on the
low bands. They would lose propagation to USA before they would lose JA.
But they would continue to work almost exclusively JA's during the time they
had prop to USA. They got a lot of people upset.

I have heard other DXpeditions go by continents - NA, SA, Asia, VK/ZL, parts
of EU, etc. They would not neglect the rest of Asia just to work JA's. These
ops seemed to make a whole lot more people happier.

But I doubt it is even possible to make everyone happy.

73, Zack W9SZ'


On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Dragan Davkovski wrote:

>  Right in the target Gary. W0 land is neither east nor west coast and
> almost all dxpeditions ignore this fact. They either work all USA or call
> for W6/W7 only. What about W0 only, hi?
>
>
>
> Nihiles Ante Unum! (Zeroes before Ones!)
>
> 73 Dragan KØAP, Z32XX
>
>
>  --
> *From:* Gary Wilburn 
> *To:* n...@bresnan.net; dx-n...@njdxa.org
> *Sent:* Tue, July 26, 2011 2:47:04 PM
> *Subject:* RE: [DX-NEWS] DXpedition calling practices
>
>  Great words of wisdom Wayne that I wish more Dx Pedition operators would
> follow.  By the numbers is great if your in 1 land – not so great for the
> guy in 0 (zero) land. Many times by the time the DX gets to zero land band
> conditions have changed. Sometimes you hear them begin with zero but not
> very often. Continents and parts of continents (west, east, central regions
> or coasts would make better QSO rates especially if timed with peaked
> propagation openings.  73, Gary W8VI
>
>
>
> --
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> * *
>
> A DXpedition operator who says “JA Only” and complains about calls by
> others in Asia is an inexperienced DXpedition operator. Generally, “JA”
> means “Asia.” Further, working strictly by counties is simply not
> acceptable. Most of us who have tried it won’t ever do it again. Numbers
> don’t work, either. Working continents (with flexibility) is the most
> effective, if you HAVE to subdivide the pileup. There are a number of other
> equitable ways, as well.
>
>
>
>
>
> 73, Wayne, N7NG
>
> Jackson, Wyoming
>
>
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> *From:* kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] *On Behalf Of *BILL KIRK
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 26, 2011 10:35 AM
> *To:* ra9ab-m...@mail.ru; dx-n...@njdxa.org
> *Subject:* Re: [DX-NEWS] DXpedition calling practices
>
>
>
> I agree with Michail. Seldom, if ever, does the DXpedition call for RA's,
> UA's, etc. Maybe the DXpeditions want to take notice.
>
>
>
> 73, Bill   NJ1X
>
>
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> *From:* M.Vasiliev 
> *To:* dx-n...@njdxa.org
> *Sent:* Monday, July 25, 2011 11:53 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [DX-NEWS] DXpedition calling practices
>
> Hello Charles,
> Here, in UA9, from every DX-pedition we always can hear
> "onlly EU" and "only JA" and sometimes we even have no chance to work this
> DX in time of good propagation
> "UA9 -You are not EU!". "UA9 -You are not JA!"
> Something like this :(
>
> Tuesday, July 26, 2011, 9:28:48 AM, you wrote:
> CH> When a DXpedition chooses to call BY COUNTRY, such as "only
> CH> JA," it is no surprise that they never call "only HS,"  but by
> CH> calling "only EU" etc, little old me in Thailand gets left
> CH> out--like VU, SEAsia, and China as well as CENTRAL America.  There
> CH> are hams in these ignored areas of the world who do not like to
> CH> try to break the "JA only" announcement, but have no choice.  But
> CH> it is no fun to call, as I just did, for 4 hours (ST0R) while the
> CH> op ran "JA only" and twice made the mistake of sending "HS" and
> CH> then correcting himself--he heard me, hi hi.
> CH> Note, my K4VUD email has been hacked.  73, Charly HS0ZCW
>
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> M.Vasiliev  - R9AB  -  ICQ 8636160  mailto:ra9ab-m...@mail.ru
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