RE: [DX-CHAT] Re: LOTW cannot possibly catch up
Don, I've been reading comments on the LotW situation for several weeks now -- on this reflector, on other email reflectors, and in the online forums for several web sites. Based on that overall picture, I think we can group the "critical comments" into two categories: The first category concerns comments from those who are generally interested in getting the situation resolved. That includes users with and without an IT background, many of whom understand the issues regarding a worldwide database application of this magnitude, and how difficult (and expensive) the management of such a system can be -- to say nothing of the fixes when something goes kaflooey. I consider this category the "constructive" comments. The second category concerns comments from those who actually don't care about LotW. Most of these are from people who have a grudge against the ARRL in particular and/or other amateur radio groups or societies in general. Some of these people are simply being ornery curmudgeons just they can be (or because they like, for some twisted reason, to stir up trouble for others). Many of the comments from this group, when you step back and look at them overall, show a lack of understanding (or an unwillingness to care) about the situation in general or in specifics. Many of the comments become contradictory; that is to say, they answer another's comment solely to further their agenda at the moment, and/or smear LotW and/or ARRL, regardless of what they said in the past -- be it a month ago, a week ago, or 10 minutes ago. I consider this category "destructive" comments. I have no problem with the constructive comments. I may not agree with someone, but I respect them for saying it. These comments are from people who genuinely want to get the situation fixed -- both for the moment and for good. Now as far as the destructive comments, I am sure that I'm not the only one who would like to tell this small group to Shut The Front Door. These comments are not helping. They are sowing confusion, misleading conclusions, and in general are raising the background noise without improving the Signal to Noise ratio. So... those who truly wish to assist or are truly concerned about fixing the problem, please continue to post. As far as the other group goes... your displeasure has been duly noted. Thank you. Now: let the rest of us work on the issues without further distractions. 73, ron w3wn Note: Just speaking for myself. Not putting on my administrative cap on... yet. -Original Message- From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Don Berger Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 2:47 PM To: Dx-Chat Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Re: LOTW cannot possibly catch up Having read most of the comments critical of the time lag, I am reminded of the time when it took "forever" to get confirmations via the mail and some bureaus. This whole issue seems to me to be centered among those who either can't recall those days or the younger folks who suffer from what is hopefully not a communicable form of the disease knows as instant gratification-itis. Don K1VSK --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] Re: LOTW cannot possibly catch up
On 12/15/2012 Don Berger wrote: > Having read most of the comments critical of the time lag, I am reminded of > the time when it took "forever" to get confirmations via the mail and some > bureaus. > This whole issue seems to me to be centered among those who either can't > recall those days or the younger folks who suffer from what is hopefully not > a communicable form of the disease knows as instant gratification-itis. > Don K1VSK No, looking at it, the biggest noise seems to be among DBAs, programmers, system designers and the like who are like the engineers at Morton Thiokol who were saying 'There is a problem, we need to look into this' and 'I don't think we should launch', when the folks a bit more removed were saying 'Oh, we haven't had a failure yet, so what if it isn't working exactly as designed' The time to FIX things is BEFORE they fail. Now the ARRL MAY have plans to do so, but so far, they aren't telling us -- 73 de KG2V - Charles Gallo Quality Custom Machine-shop work for the radio amateur (sm) --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] Re: LOTW cannot possibly catch up
Those days are irrelevant to the subject at hand and it has nothing to do with instant gratification. It has to do with the current state of technology, what it can provide, and what it should provide. There's also no need to talk about spark transmitters or paper logs, either. Barry W2UP On 12/15/2012 12:47, Don Berger wrote: Having read most of the comments critical of the time lag, I am reminded of the time when it took "forever" to get confirmations via the mail and some bureaus. This whole issue seems to me to be centered among those who either can't recall those days or the younger folks who suffer from what is hopefully not a communicable form of the disease knows as instant gratification-itis. Don K1VSK --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] Re: LOTW cannot possibly catch up
Having read most of the comments critical of the time lag, I am reminded of the time when it took "forever" to get confirmations via the mail and some bureaus. This whole issue seems to me to be centered among those who either can't recall those days or the younger folks who suffer from what is hopefully not a communicable form of the disease knows as instant gratification-itis. Don K1VSK --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
[DX-CHAT] Re: LOTW cannot possibly catch up
Some random thoughts regarding LOTW. The current number of registered users on LOTW is 54,228. The total membership of the ARRL is now over 158,000, according to the ARRL. You do not have to be a member of ARRL to register on LOTW and upload logs, so we can assume the actual number of registered LOTW users who are also ARRL members is less than the total number of registered LOTW users. Even if all the registered users were ARRL members, this number would represent only a little more than third of the total membership of the ARRL. LOTW competes for resources within the ARRL, both financial and otherwise, just like any other business. There is presently no charge to register and upload logs to LOTW. Yes, there is a charge to claim LOTW credits toward ARRL awards, but you can assume that only a portion of this income goes directly to support. LOTW, the rest goes towards the overhead of administering the DXCC program. As significant users of LOTW, would we be willing to pay more for the service if the service were to improve? I have had an ongoing dialog with my Division Director, Cliff Ahrens, K0CA regarding the issues with LOTW starting back in November. He has been very responsive and I believe some of the changes you have seen recently, such as actually being able to see the queue in real time is a result of his efforts on my and others behalf to bring more transparency to the problem. I would suggest that if you are an ARRL member, you let your Division Director know your constructive thoughts to improve LOTW. 73 de Bill, K9RZ --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---