RE: [DX-CHAT] 7O and the ARRL
Before anyone else's temper flares up on 7O1YGF, let's all remember one key fact: The DXCC Desk can't approve the operation. Not won't; can't. Why? Simple: The 7O1YGF team never submitted anything. In past years, I've had a lot of talks at Dayton and via email with various people connected to the DXCC program at the time. Whenever I've brought up the subject of this one, I have been told many times, point blank, that they would love to approve the operation. But until documentation (not just photographs) of some kind, any kind, is submitted, it will remain pending. Many of us argue about the fine points of what should count for sufficient documentation... passport or visa stamps, or customs approval to import the gear, or a letter from Someone Official indicating that they had permission to operate... whatever. If any of this documentation exists, no one in Newington has seen it. If it doesn't exist, no one from the team has told Newington the story. By the same token, without a submittal, I doubt that they will approve it. That opens the door to anyone who claims "the dog ate my license" when asking for approval. Yes, once upon a time, a DX'er's word on where he was operating from was pretty much good enough. That was back in the days when dx'ers were few, dx'er's were presumed to be gentlemen and honorable, and the world wasn't as concerned about coverring it's collective assets if something went wrong. And then came W9WNV, and Romeo, and a handful of others of that ilk, and a change for the worse came. So give Newington a break. They're not out to undermine a DXpedition; hardly the case. But it's their program, their rules, and those rules aren't exactly a secret... so if someone chooses not to play ball, don't blame them. 73 Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O and the ARRL
quoting... "HOWEVER, surely dxcc could tell what kind of documentation is necessary from any one entity or another, and be able to name the local official who will approve an op that dxcc will also approve." This is not true at all.. I know that there are many different scenarios, not all which are predictable for which the ARRL could accept some form of paperwork, documentation, etc and consider that good enough to approve it. The world is a changing place, and heck the guy who gives approval over the phone could be shot by the time you get there, especially in some place like Yemen. So in short lets chill all the pontification and start worrying about working Chris when he gets on the air. Paul On 8/11/07, Charles Harpole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I understand why dxcc can not pre-judge any one operation for validation for > dxcc credit. have to wait until the op is actually done. > > HOWEVER, surely dxcc could tell what kind of documentation is necessary from > any one entity or another, and be able to name the local official who will > approve an op that dxcc will also approve. In my case, still a sore point, > dxcc would not tell me who was the key official to contact in Lao (PDRL), > although immediately after my op, dxcc was able to go directly to a Lao > official to check on me. Why not just tell me that guy's name in advance > and save all my QSOs the pain of getting my XW1UD card that does not count. > > I would never expect prior approval before the actual op, but surely > whatever validation procedure will occur just after the op could be shared > BEFORE the op. > > Further, several entities have a confusing or non-existing ways of getting > ham op permissions. Lao had three offices, then, all claiming to be THE > only one needed. There is no way someone in CT can have the detailed > knowledge of the inner workings of some entities governments (or lack of > same) so apparently just go on whatever comes up at the time. When a system > refuses nice looking PAPER signed by folks who seem to be ok, and > nevertheless OKs a tape recorded approval that is allowed to count, things > appear decidedly ad hoc. > > My thot is if the op has photo proof of presence in the entity, > operates, and departs without being arrested, then it should count. Not > being evicted nor arrested to me is proof the local authorities approved. I > think, on the other hand, if an op is evicted (or arrested) that is obvious > evidence that the op was bogus. > > I still want to get approval to activate an iceberg. 73 > > Charles Harpole > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ > Messenger Café — open for fun 24/7. Hot games, cool activities served daily. > Visit now. http://cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_AugHMtagline > > > > Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems > http://njdxa.org/dx-chat > > To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org > > This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA > http://njdxa.org > > Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O and the ARRL
It didn't take long for a civil discussion to go in the toilet. "Regards" to you too. Bob W6RJC (rolling his eyes and get on with life) --- Goran Arezina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well wrote ! > I agree 100%, which means fu*k ARRL and their > levels, bcus they are not not doing as they should > do. > > Not too long ago somebody wrote: " I just worked it, > and I do not care if ARRL accept it as OK or not! > Fu*k them, I did it ". > > Regards for everyone, > > Goran, E78G (T98G, 4N4AE,...) > R.S. > Bosnia & Herzegovina > - Original Message - > From: david miller > To: dx-chat@njdxa.org > Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 7:45 PM > Subject: [DX-CHAT] 7O and the ARRL > > > The ARRL can be quite vague or to the point when > asked what they will accept as sufficient proof of > operation and who that proof must come from. It > depends on the day of week it seems. > W1GDQ > > > -- > Recharge--play some free games. Win cool prizes > too! Play It! > > __ NOD32 2451 (20070811) Information > __ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus > system. > http://www.eset.com > > Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems > http://njdxa.org/dx-chat > > To post a message, DX related items only, > dx-chat@njdxa.org > > This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the > NJDXA > http://njdxa.org > > Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems > http://njdxa.org/dx-chat > > To post a message, DX related items only, > dx-chat@njdxa.org > > This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA > > http://njdxa.org > Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O and the ARRL
I understand why dxcc can not pre-judge any one operation for validation for dxcc credit. have to wait until the op is actually done. HOWEVER, surely dxcc could tell what kind of documentation is necessary from any one entity or another, and be able to name the local official who will approve an op that dxcc will also approve. In my case, still a sore point, dxcc would not tell me who was the key official to contact in Lao (PDRL), although immediately after my op, dxcc was able to go directly to a Lao official to check on me. Why not just tell me that guy's name in advance and save all my QSOs the pain of getting my XW1UD card that does not count. I would never expect prior approval before the actual op, but surely whatever validation procedure will occur just after the op could be shared BEFORE the op. Further, several entities have a confusing or non-existing ways of getting ham op permissions. Lao had three offices, then, all claiming to be THE only one needed. There is no way someone in CT can have the detailed knowledge of the inner workings of some entities governments (or lack of same) so apparently just go on whatever comes up at the time. When a system refuses nice looking PAPER signed by folks who seem to be ok, and nevertheless OKs a tape recorded approval that is allowed to count, things appear decidedly ad hoc. My thot is if the op has photo proof of presence in the entity, operates, and departs without being arrested, then it should count. Not being evicted nor arrested to me is proof the local authorities approved. I think, on the other hand, if an op is evicted (or arrested) that is obvious evidence that the op was bogus. I still want to get approval to activate an iceberg. 73 Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Messenger Café open for fun 24/7. Hot games, cool activities served daily. Visit now. http://cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_AugHMtagline Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O and the ARRL
At 01:46 PM 8/11/2007, Goran Arezina wrote: Not too long ago somebody wrote: " I just worked it, and I do not care if ARRL accept it as OK or not! Fu*k them, I did it ". Really? Are you sure it wasn't a pirate? Do you have proof that you worked them? Was the operation approved by the particular government in question? 73, Mike, W5UC "age & treachery will overcome youth & skill" http://www.suddenlink.net/pages/w5uc/ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] 7O and the ARRL
That may have been true in the distant past, from what I recall from when I was first licensed. I do not believe that to be true today, especially since the implementation of the current DXCC rules (aka "DXCC 2000"), contrary to rumor. Besides... they can't evaluate "sufficient proof or operation" when none has been submitted, despite repeated requests! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of david miller Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 1:46 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] 7O and the ARRL The ARRL can be quite vague or to the point when asked what they will accept as sufficient proof of operation and who that proof must come from. It depends on the day of week it seems. W1GDQ -- Recharge--play some free games. Win cool prizes too! Play It! Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O and the ARRL
Well wrote ! I agree 100%, which means fu*k ARRL and their levels, bcus they are not not doing as they should do. Not too long ago somebody wrote: " I just worked it, and I do not care if ARRL accept it as OK or not! Fu*k them, I did it ". Regards for everyone, Goran, E78G (T98G, 4N4AE,...) R.S. Bosnia & Herzegovina - Original Message - From: david miller To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 7:45 PM Subject: [DX-CHAT] 7O and the ARRL The ARRL can be quite vague or to the point when asked what they will accept as sufficient proof of operation and who that proof must come from. It depends on the day of week it seems. W1GDQ -- Recharge--play some free games. Win cool prizes too! Play It! __ NOD32 2451 (20070811) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O and the ARRL
>> It depends on the day of week it seems. No, no W1GDQ - it is due to the fact that in many countries there is nothing like the FCC and a "license" could be made up in a way that it can be - or not be - accepted even though it's does not at all look like an FCC document. There is a world outside USA... 73/DX de Osten SM5DQC[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: david miller To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 7:45 PM Subject: [DX-CHAT] 7O and the ARRL The ARRL can be quite vague or to the point when asked what they will accept as sufficient proof of operation and who that proof must come from. It depends on the day of week it seems. W1GDQ -- Recharge--play some free games. Win cool prizes too! Play It! Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
