Re: [DX-CHAT] Leaderboards and Tom's yardstick

2012-06-06 Thread Tom Wylie 


Well precisely Dave - I mean if you have sufficient operators, with 
sufficient kit and they stay there a long time, it stands to reason they 
are going to
break records - my dog';s bigger than your dog! etc. But, it depends 
upon the obectives of the expedition.If like T32C you want to get 
through the layers
of big guns, down to the QRP and dipoles and G5RVs, then you have to be 
operating 24/7 with a lot of stations and stay for a good while.   There 
are too many
variables.In the Carribean you are close to the USA and can keep the 
number up on any band,  likewith I guess 7O6T was close to Europe, with 
a big
catchment area. Some of the Pacific Islands are great for Japan and 
the West Coast USA, but perhaps less so for Europe..


But, to me, actual numbers are pretty meaningless.  I mean, if I go 
to Banaba on my own for 5 days and make 1,000 Qs per day = 5,000 QSOs,   
would that
in the greater scheme of things be a good efort  1,000 Qs per 
operator per day   or would it be lost in the annals of time as a small 
insignificant operation.

I would expect to make that number of QSOs per day (at least) during CQWW.

By the way,  its time Banaba was done again.

:-) Tom
GM4FDM



On 06/06/2012 09:40, DAVE WHITE wrote:

Hi think that's a great way of looking at things, Tom
I thought that the 7O6T guys did an amazing job before I saw your 
analysis, but I guess that figure really hammers home quite how 
incredible their QSO rate was.  I bet they slept for a week when they 
got home.
I suppose the counter argument to judging a DXpedition simply by 
number of QSOs is - as others have suggested - where those QSOs came 
from, hence the point from our friends across the Atlantic that the 
7O6T team apparently didn't look to maximise band openings to North 
America (and elsewhere) - whereas Neville G3NUG told me that working 
the hard-to-work paths was specifically a goal of T32C, possibly 
partly (along with other factors) explaining the lower QSO rate
As you say, it all depends on the objectives of the Dxpedition and as 
Benjamin Disraeli alluded, interpretation of statistics can be dangerous

cheers
Dave G0OIL

- Original Message -
*From:* Tom Wylie 
*To:* list...@ve1dx.net 
*Cc:* NJDXA DX Chat 
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 05, 2012 8:17 PM
*Subject:* Re: [DX-CHAT] Leaderboards - good or bad?


One of my personal yardstick of the "goodness" of an expedition is
NOT the total number of QSOs made
as that depends entirely on the number of operators, stations and
the duration
but I like to look at the TOTAL QSOs made by the NUMBER of
OPERATORS and the NUMBER of DAYS taken into account

Like:

CallTotal QSOs  No of Operators No of Days  No
of QSOs made per operator per day

T32C2130063830   
186
D68C1685913220   
263
HK0NA   1952922727   
267

7O6T1620291715 *635*

I guess it all depends on the objectives of the expedition

work uniques??
work down to the third and fourth tier?
max out the QSOs?

etc etc.

Its just my way of looking and comparing things


Tom
GM4FDM



On 05/06/2012 19:54, Paul M Dunphy wrote:


G7VJR's point of view (ClubLog creator and T32C participant):

http://g7vjr.org/2012/06/expedition-leaderboards-good-or-bad/

73, Paul VE1DX



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Re: [DX-CHAT] Leaderboards and Tom's yardstick

2012-06-06 Thread DAVE WHITE 
 
Hi think that's a great way of looking at things, Tom 

I thought that the 7O6T guys did an amazing job before I saw your analysis, but 
I guess that figure really hammers home quite how incredible their QSO rate 
was.  I bet they slept for a week when they got home.

I suppose the counter argument to judging a DXpedition simply by number of QSOs 
is - as others have suggested - where those QSOs came from, hence the point 
from our friends across the Atlantic that the 7O6T team apparently didn't look 
to maximise band openings to North America (and elsewhere) - whereas Neville 
G3NUG told me that working the hard-to-work paths was specifically a goal of 
T32C, possibly partly (along with other factors) explaining the lower QSO rate

As you say, it all depends on the objectives of the Dxpedition and as Benjamin 
Disraeli alluded, interpretation of statistics can be dangerous 

cheers

Dave G0OIL
  - Original Message - 
  From: Tom Wylie 
  To: list...@ve1dx.net 
  Cc: NJDXA DX Chat 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 8:17 PM
  Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Leaderboards - good or bad?



  One of my personal yardstick of the "goodness" of an expedition is NOT the 
total number of QSOs made
  as that depends entirely on the number of operators, stations and the duration
  but I like to look at the TOTAL QSOs made by the NUMBER of OPERATORS and the 
NUMBER of DAYS taken into account

  Like:

  CallTotal QSOs  No of Operators No of Days  No of QSOs 
made per operator per day

  T32C2130063830186
  D68C1685913220263
  HK0NA   1952922727267
  7O6T1620291715635

  I guess it all depends on the objectives of the expedition

  work uniques??
  work down to the third and fourth tier?
  max out the QSOs?

  etc etc.

  Its just my way of looking and comparing things


  Tom
  GM4FDM



  On 05/06/2012 19:54, Paul M Dunphy wrote: 

G7VJR's point of view (ClubLog creator and T32C participant): 

http://g7vjr.org/2012/06/expedition-leaderboards-good-or-bad/ 

73, Paul VE1DX 



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