Dear JP,
For built in PGP encryption and secure emails, go to
MailVault.com , and register an account. I use them,
and recommend them!
Just for what it may be worth, a client of mine in France
opened a MailVault account in 1999 on a visit to Costa
Rica. Then Laissez Faire City Clerk Jack Freeman
Dear Daniel,
Fire Fairy Wings
http://www.goldbarter.com/viewauction.jsp?id=315
Well, that's a new one.
Tell anyone else you know who would be interested in buying
these items with e-gold. I'm not doing this entirely for my
own financial gain.
I must say that the GoldBarter.com auction site
Dear JP,
(ONE) say the system is 1/3 each of egold, pecunix, and goldmoney.
Say pecunix totally evaporates. What would happen is that each user
loses one third of their conglomerated-gold. (Sucks, but better than
losing it all.)
Wouldn't it be clever to insure against such a disaster?
Then the
Dear JP,
Note: if you have an effective keystroke logger installed on
someone's computer here's a newsflash ... YOU
DO NOT NEED TO DO ANYTHING LIKE BOTHER BREAKING THEIR ENCRYPTION!!!
You haven't thought it through. Yes, with a keystroke logger
one can read everything the subject
Dear John,
PGP has a tempest prevention font, although I don't know if
it is effective.
PGP's TEMPEST-prevention font is certainly effective for what
it offers, which is a way of displaying in fairly low contrast
the text on screen. It makes for much more work for the
van Eck tuner, trying to
Dear Sidd,
This will reveal your limited access PIK... use the limited
access PIK to log in with limited access, and likewise use
your read-only PIK for read-only access.
Ah, I see. That's nifty.
You can also activate PGP security for your account
Yes, I've done so. It is also spiffy.
Dear Westgarth Books,
TEMPEST is an acronym from the military mindset. The technology
is also known by its inventor's name, van Eck.
You can read more about it by googling up van Eck phreaking.
With a laptop or a liquid crystal display (LCD) monitor or
other low-emission monitor, you make it
Dear Gordon,
No that is not the case. The tempest system that I am aware of
can take the signal and reproduce the entire active computer
onto a slave computer.
There are actually quite a few signals and different radio
frequencies depending on the device. The biggest signal
used to be from the
Dear Bob,
Those 2 items being normally expressed in tons.
Yes, they are. The e-gold inventory is expressed in ounces.
Conversion is as follows: 50,742.69 ounces divided by 12 to
get pounds troy (12 ounces troy to the pound troy) = 4228.557
pounds troy.
Figure 2000 pounds to the ton and we have
Dear Sidd,
One of the things I'm not clear about is how one goes
about logging into a Pecunix account with less than full
access.
I believe Patrick made the point
But the way Pecunix displays the PIKs makes it difficult if not
impossible to copy and paste them.
It seems to me that the advantage
Dear Sidd,
Thanks for your comments... you must be using a pretty old browser!
One of the traditional problems of HTML is the hefty installed
base of relic browsers. Believe it or not, I first encountered
this difficulty in 1996 when there were still significant numbers
of original Mosaic users.
Dear Sidd,
You can prove it yourself Jim... look up the escrow agent's phone
number and phone him... he will tell you. He personally inspected it.
It sounds like hearsay to me. Who is this escrow agent?
Some guy.
If you like you can ask him to contact ViaMat and verify
it right now.
Some guy
Dear Viking
MetalEscrow (now Open2Exchange) - Pecunix
Goldfinger Coin Bullion - ebullion
Coconut Gold was started by JP May who later opened 1MDC.
OmniPay is operated by GSR which also runs e-gold.com.
I think Sidd actually went to the trouble of setting up
a separate company with other
Robert:
Plus the de facto currencies that are often e-gold based,
such as Gold-Price.net,
Gold price network is a currency? It is operated by Joel
Bruce of Asiana Gold exchange, I think.
virtualgold.net, even freetraders.org in a way.
I did not realize freetraders was based on e-gold, or a
Dear Westgarth Books,
I guess everyone is going to be asking you sooner or later.
What is Radio Free Satan? Does it accept e-gold?
The problem with that is that the majority of people seem
to lack basic critical listening/reading ability.
If you take the position that most people are ignorant,
I
Dear Gordon,
50% e-gold
30% paypal (no comment)
Wow! That's a lotta PayPal. I wouldn't want to have that
much at risk, were it me. I hope you have good procedures
for limiting your exposure to their ill will.
10% evocash (doing better lately)
I agree.
5% stormpay (they scare me and our money
GK:
In any case, I believe DMT/Alta will be big...
Perhaps so.
so we are starting to move funds there. I just got caught out
with a simple funding order, and all my normal funding sources
reneged at the last second,
I am not unsympathetic with your situation in trying to
fund orders for many
Dear Arik,
Shalom,
Shalom.
This reminded me that market makers have more expenses.
I don't like this term market maker. The term should
refer to arbitrageurs and institutional investors who
make the market, or to the broker-dealers who place
orders directly on the stock exchanges. I think
Dear John Law,
To review a bit, we've been discussing the concept of e-Land
which is a proposed currency circulated electronically which
would be backed by land. The land would be held by the
company issuing the e-Land currency, it would not be
fungible so different parcels of land would have
Dear John Law,
You said what you think about 'me' , which is irrelevant
to the points on the table.
I've covered the points on the table. I've actually spread
you out of the room. Moreover, there were remaining points
about what I think about you, which I consider to be very
relevant.
When
Dear Robert,
Jim,
Actually, those were comments from JP May. JP = John Paul.
As in John, Paul, George and Ringo.
will traders have buy orders after a close above $400.00
or will they take profit when the market touches $400.00
and falls back to around current levels right afterwards?
It remains
Dear David,
I think you need to get all your e-gold customers into
1MDC and then use its feature-set to do the great stuff
you want done. 1MDC grams are e-gold, circulated with a
better software system. No storage or spend fees, last I
looked.
- The comment field is sometimes too short for a
Dear John Law,
Jim, whenever somebody does not agree with your views, you
start attacking the person.
I don't agree that I've attacked anyone. I've said what I
think about you, and what I think isn't favorable to you.
Your messages often have an insulting tone.
You are free to read other
Dear George,
... you were saying?
I have strongly held views, I am passionate about the things
in which I believe, I don't suffer fools gladly, and my
words are not violence. Sticks and stones break bones.
Words are not force.
You don't like Danny's e-land idea because of the historical
example
Dear Friends,
the share price seems to have risen by 2.5%.
I recently saw a share sell at 103.50 grams of gold (gAu).
I'd have to look through the record to identify the
share with its original date of sale, but here are
some thoughts:
A share purchased in September might have involved
a price
Dear eLogic,
Today i got the ATM card , though i never got any response
from their customer support .
Tell us, please, whether the card works at an ATM or other
situation, and whether the value on the card is what you
were expecting.
What was the delay time on the delivery between when you
Dear Friends,
By the way, if you want to go to the Gold Casino and
play a few hands of poker, video poker, slots, or
blackjack, click here:
http://8715605.thegoldcasino.com/
and if you want to buy shares of MCG, click here:
http://pvcse.com/ex.change...000222
to get started.
Dear Mike,
From: R. J. Tavel, J.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gee, I've seen that name before.
Last night I noticed a barrage of gold-bullion ads on television,
and today this guy is pressing the Yahoo! groups.
As the price increases, the commissions on sales get to be
tastier, making ads more
for the underlying unit of value, it isn't
a good model.
His excellence mr Jim Davidson is not interested to use
e-land, so that proves e-land is an idea not worth trying...
Actually it proves that I'm not interested in using it.
It is an idea you say you are too lazy to implement. Perhaps,
on a bet, you'd
Robert:
I wouldn't see it as making stuff up,
And I would see it as you making stuff up. Rather like
the Federal Reserve's approach to issuing money.
And for an infiltrator that wants to change things from within
you are too far without, not to mention to vocal ;o)
So, there is no place in your
Dear Mike,
One question: Is it possible to glide and land your
autogyro dead-stick?
I believe it is, or at least that doing so is consistent
with auto-gyro theory.
Fixed wing aircraft can, of course, glide so long as they
have wings. (Glide ratios for dead stick landings of
fixed wing aircraft
Dear JP
Say Jim-D, how do I enter the pool again for say Monday 17th ?!
Hi, JP. E-gold.com is hosted in the USA. They have laws
and stuff in the USA.
Surely you must be jesting about this pool thing?
Regards,
Jim
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Dear Craig (SnowDog),
Hi!
However, of all these, I trust Gold.
So, tell me, Craig, what is your view of INTGold?
grin
Regards,
Jim
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Dear Robert,
So now you are against lions too, are you?
Lion was the mascot at Columbia U. It was easy to be against
them, as they never won a football game while I attended there,
nor for years after. However, I never wrote that I was against
lions. Be careful when you read between the lines
Dear Robert,
Hello Jim,
Howdy.
At it again, are we? :o)
Well, there you go. Again.
You know, Graham paid a hefty price for promoting OSgold,
GK claims some loss. It is by no means clear to me
that the amount he claims to have lost is more than the
amount he made in exchanging it with others.
Dear Danny
Density is not an important property as far as backing
an e-currency goes.
It is if you actually store value. If you just pretend to
store value, perhaps not.
What's the density of stocks?
One share of Berkshire Hathaway weighs less than a gram
and has a value of $75,000. Seems
Dear Chuck,
Your message is very welcome. What you've included is a
typical scam-spam.
I don't know if the Dear To_Complete To_Complete line
is working, but that would probably become the e-gold user
name and number at some point. These names and numbers
are easy enough to get off the e-gold
Dear Patrick and Frank,
No, Patrick, the interface at e-gold.com did not always
force you to choose units.
Previously, and you may remember the discussion on this list
or visit the archive to check, the user community voted to
have grams be the default unit for e-gold spends.
Well, one of the
Dear Danny,
As far as I can see the properties that real estate lacks,
are now created by the modern communication systems.
Like...density? Gold is one of the most dense elements,
so it is easier and cheaper to store. It is more compact
and therefore portable. Land suddently has this property?
Dear Frank,
You want to use INTGold, go nuts.
I like to use opportunities such as this one to point out
that the archive for this list (which can be found by
visiting this link:
http://talk.e-gold.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?visit=e-gold-list
and is a fully searchable archive) contains many posts by
GK
Dear Frank,
A case in point:
http://talk.e-gold.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?visit=e-gold-listid=226661333
Note that the message is posted in July 2002, there have been
problems with OSGold since late May 2002, people are squawking
that they cannot get access to their money, and GK is still
the tireless
Dear John,
That's why we need to take Keynes' advice and stamp expiration
dates on money.
I hadn't read that one. I have read about a proposal by
Irving Fisher in the 1930s to require a tax stamp on each
Federal Reserve Note. The idea is touted in a Dallas
Federal Reserve web page of
Dear Danny,
I hadn't noticed your e-mail address was fourpillars.net
before. I wonder which four pillars are at stake here?
I've read TE Lawrence's _Seven Pillars_ and I'm aware of
Five Pillars of Islam. Are you referring to the pillars
of the Common Economic Protocol?
The modern communication
Dear JP,
there you go Jim, sure enough it dropped 5 bucks ... :O
And has bounced back nicely.
Regards,
Jim
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Dear Robert,
Up to and just prior to the South Sea Bubble :o)
I remember those times. That Newton, what a hoot.
What you are talking about is par value. Many stocks
are now issued with zero par value and some with a
trivial par value.
The free market does seem to be willing to institute clever
Dear Robert,
I do think the fact that shares are priced in grams of
gold on dBourse and on PVCSE makes a difference. It
is a non-trivial feature of both private stock exchanges.
Remember that it took an emergency declaration of Congress
in March 1933 to give Franklin Roosevelt the power to
Dear Arik,
Shalom.
I would say the shares should represent
an ownership interest in the income potential of the underlying
company.
Not exactly. I would say that a share represents an ownership interest
in the company assets, earnings and management. Although there are
different powers to shares
Dear Robert,
Has it appeared to anyone that we are essentially turning
our gold into paper when we invest in stocks?
Yes, of course. Or, put another way, gold is money and
you can invest your money in stocks.
therefore the share 'represent' gold.
I would not say so. I would say the shares
Dear Tien,
I read many posts about TGC share. Can you tell me
what is it? Sorry if this is a stupid question.
Any question you sincerely want to have answered is not a
stupid question. Questions asked out of ignorance are the
path to enlightenment.
TGC is The Gold Casino. Go there now to
Dear Sliplip,
Has anyone noticed the ridiculous delays that cashcards has been
undergoing lately?
Quite a lot of people have.
It's been more than a 'few days', Steve... it's been a few weeks.
I think I speak for us all when I say I want an explanation.
I agree completely. I have asked Steve
Dear Adam,
A typical mechanical slot machine has 3 reals,
These are reels like the reels of film in a camera.
Reals with an accent mark are some sort of royal
Spanish coins.
A virtual real typically has 32, 64, 128 or 256 stops
(2^5, 2^6, 2^7, 2^8).
For programming convenience, obviously. Any
Dear Remco Boom,
On Thursday, Oct 23, 2003, at 11:44 US/Central, Remco Boom wrote:
Given all the info I find it somewhat hard to believe this payment has
been missing for over 4 months. The exchanger can't have *that many*
accounts and they knew the amount and when it came in
Okay, Remco.
Dear Frank,
As interesting as this topic has become for me, it appears,
alas, to be politics and not money. It isn't even the
politics of money. So, I fear we shall all be excoriated
by the moderator of this list who wants us to discuss money.
And nothing but.
The Free State Project
Dear Frank,
I think Mr. Johnson needs help getting some listings for:
http://pvcse.com/ex.change...000222
What could be better than running all the private functions
with investments gathered online?
Regards,
Jim
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Dear Ra,
Anyone knows whether can trust this exchanger or not. Your
experiences, thoughts?
http://www.tampaexchange.net/
That exchanger is Rob Wahl, Tampa Exchange. He's always
been reputable to my knowledge.
He's been in the business for years. I think he's got
pretty high integrity. For
Dear Friends,
Please take a look at:
http://icis.alfii.com/index.cfm?cookID=190
These guys accept e-gold and e-Bullion. They offer an
electronic money order which is fast, easy to use, and
anonymous.
Regards,
Jim
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Dear Jonathan,
One fatal mistake, that's a pretty minute payment receive
fee for a USD 299 payment :-)
That's true, but...s!!!
Don't tell the scammers who read this list how to construct
an accurate payment receive fee!
grin
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Jim
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Dear Friends,
A fake log-in scam e-mail is going around. It
requests that you log into your Cash Cards account.
It is yet another password stealing scam.
Don't be taken in. Don't give the value of your V-cash
account to thieves. Don't ever log into any online
account from any e-mail you
Dear Mark,
Jim email me what the problem is and I'll fix it for you.
No, evidently, you won't.
If you are referring to the start date, sorry that is the
only thing I can't change as three other exchange providers
have complained about that date and Alex had to change it.
I gather you think that
Dear Steve,
Why buy the cow when you can the milk for free?
I've never really liked canned milk.
Regards,
Jim
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Dear Jim Ray,
everything if you transfer $2000 to e-gold account # 1050218
I think Mark's report is at least an instance of spam
abuse, possibly by this account holder.
Regards,
Jim
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Dear JP,
http://www.kitco.com/charts/livegold.html
that was a hammer day, signifying a change in direction
coming :O
That's nice. Which direction?
Do you think the $366.50 or so bottom reached intra-day
represents significant support?
Whatever happened to It's All in the Charts anyway?
grin
Dear Jeff,
It would be even easier to just post a PGP public key
and sign all the e-mails I care about validating.
Then instead of archiving a huge volume of mail, I'd
just let you verify the signature on any e-mail message
you care about.
Or, the GCDA / eCMA could have an area that does the same
Dear Jeff,
The problem is most consumers don't grok digital signatures.
Yes, that's true. The people are ignorant. The only way
to solve that problem is to enlighten their ignorance.
Jay W. is the only representative I know who consistently
digitally signs messages.
I think a review of the
Dear Gordon,
Since when does the government issue paper money?
According to the USA constitution, they cannot. No state
shall make anything but gold or silver a tender in payment
of debt, according to Article 1, Section 10, and there is
a specific prohibition against the national government
Dear Khurram,
Unfortunately, I'm not permitted to respond on your very
interesting ideas about how roads aren't built by the
private sector, etc., because taxes are not about money.
It seems odd, since people pay taxes with money, and
since fiscal policy can be very inflationary if it is
Dear Friends,
There are a number of reloadable pre-paid Visa or
MasterCard debit cards on offer.
You might like to try the card offered through Dream
Builder Systems.
http://freeluna.dreambuildersystems.com/
It is also possible to order a USA mailing address
from me and use that with the
Dear Chuck,
They seem to have gone to a lot of trouble to make these ones,
must be more costly So I guess this means the cost of money has
gone up in the USA.
The cost per unit is certainly a little higher, but it
doesn't cost very much to print each Federal Reserve Note.
You can go to the
Dear Patrick,
The economic incentives to build roads abound!
Every subdivision in Houston, Texas was built by private
real estate developers. In each case, the streets were
built by the property owner. In each case, under Texas
law, the property association for the new subdivision
was
Dear Mark,
I have looked at like over 100 different cards
Have you looked at the cards from
http://freeluna.dreambuildersystems.com/
yet?
http://www.goldnow.st/debit_card_buy.asp
I have had bad experiences with GoldNow. I would not
use their card.
CambistStored Value VISA card (one
Dear Mark,
I'm sure we are all happy to hear your opinions both
good and bad.
I'm sure that posting my opinions here is something I
do from time to time.
Have I checked out http://freeluna.dreambuildersystems.com/
#1, their site has ZERO links going to it,
Actually, that particular URL is my
Dear Ian,
When he goes there and asserts his claim,
Dennis is a pretty determined guy. I think his idea of
selling land on the Moon in order to pay for his trips
to the Moon is very clever. He also offers to put stuff
on the Moon for a fee. He has some other hot business
ideas but mum's the
Dear Robert,
At least he has a claim in accordance with the Terra
(Luna?) Nullis rules used to establish ownership of
otherwise unclaimed and uninhabited land.
I'm not familiar with this terra nullis (nullus?)
convention. Maybe you could offer a citation?
There are a number of interesting
Dear Patrick,
Right, ownership of wild unclaimed territory must be based on
staking a physical claim -- actually going there and setting
up fences so to speak. Other than that it's just people talking.
You've got to have some physical boundaries and preferably a
way to enforce those
Dear Steve,
This limitations of taxation is what kept the U.S. federal
government relatively in check prior to the Civil War.
Comparatively in check, and it wasn't a very civil war.
Warfare never is. It was in fact the War for Southern
Independence and is officially, now, the War Between
the
Dear George,
I think that is true, but only if there *is* inflation. So,
when Danny said 10% inflation, I believe he was thinking
about it in a system where there is no income tax (he said
he prefers such a system).
Naturally, I don't prefer such a system. I think the idea
of preferring one type
George:
I guess if there would be no US government (no tax = no
administration) you would take a shotgun and shoot cubans
if they would try to invade USA, right? ;)
I would not shoot all Cubans who seek to enter the USA,
since a great many Cubans do so peacefully, wishing only
to escape the
Dear Patrick,
Petrol taxes are closer to user fees than any other tax.
The more miles you drive, the more you pay for roads. So
of all the despised and dreaded taxes, petrol taxes are
my favorite.
Well, as long as you properly classify them as despicable
and dreaded, let's talk about them. Fuel
Dear Robert,
I guess that means you'd like to outlaw outlawing :o)
No, not at all. That would be completely pointless.
But as you say yourself, ursury is morally highly
questionable.
I think it is. I also think it is pointless to legislate
morality.
And as the increasing absence of moral
Dear James,
People find it convenient to do business on Ebay, because way
back at the beginning, the owner of ebay created an efficient
and convenient reputation management system, which stored
information about people's reputations on his computers.
Okay. There is something similar on
Dear George:
Patrick, why is this redeeming word so important?
I think Robert Ziegler and Patrick have both dealt with
redemption. Redemption is important, and distinct from
exchange.
Or maybe you're saying it is illegal (now) for people to
own gold in USA (so, they can't exchange it)?!
The
Dear Robert,
However, the US alone has flooded the planet with paper, and
if anyone was to exchange the paper (and the bank balances)
from US currency to gold, then the exchange rate would be a
high multiple of today's market price.
Yes. This figure is about $32,000 per ounce. If every
dollar
Dear Robert,
If not, then I guess you need to contact their hosting
provider to get them shut down.
Yes, well, Robert, it seems that cyberica is their domain
registry provider. (see below)
The hosting provider is presently onlinens.com which is related
to Deep Sleep Technologies, Jake Yusim, 295
Dear Hannibal,
Yet you're fine with this, and refer to the action of
protecting one's rightful property from thieves as
'cheating'.
Thanks for rising to the call on this one. I've left
you a little something in yer tipjar. Go A-Team! Say
hi to BA and especially Murdock.
What is the Matrix?
Dear Ian,
Now, just a minute!
purporting to sell one and ten acres lots on the moon!
This guy bases his claim on something he lodged with some
kind of office in San Francisco that obviously also
does not have a right (of ownership) to confer on this fellow.
You must be talking about the Lunar
Dear Danny,
You are suggesting that I should be strung up from a lamppost.
Indeed. Yet, you have fixated on only the part where you
have been strung up from a lamppost, without regard to
the reasoning behind your punishment.
How is that for advocating use of force against others?
There is a
Dear Julie,
Although we can see a genuine demand for those services
from people, who would like to sell on the Internet (and ebay) ,
but do not live in the list of paypal-supported countries. If
only there was a way to wade through those orders...
I think educated sellers should not prefer to
Dear Patrick,
It seems that Jim defines thug as an individual who
advocates or participates in the initiation of force
against others.
I think that's a very fair characterization of my position.
I think advocating the initiation of force, whether it
is in the form of taxation or fiat money or
Dear Patrick
You have once again done great justice to my views
by capturing the essence of them.
And finally the curency was made independant from
the gold backing.
What a sweet, passive, neutral way to portray an act
of theft, fraud, and extortion.
Indeed. I can say that I find passive voice
Dear Frederick,
Wow. It has been a long time, Frederick. How have you
been doing?
Does anyone know:
(a) Does Steve Renner actually honor such transfers?
Yes, I've known him to honor such transfers. For years.
(b) If yes, how long does it usually take?
It can take very different lengths of
Dear Robert,
You think about joining some militants in your rage
That actually sounds like a very constructive idea! grin
Regards,
Jim
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Dear Robert,
The reason I'd like to outlaw interest is simply to
give everyone the chance to start with a clean slate
again, rather than having kids pay for their parents'
follies in decades to come.
That's precisely why I'm against outlawing things.
I don't think it is nice to organize an
Dear Gabriel:
There have been many reports I've seen about Cash Cards.
Everyone I know who has a Cash Card or a V-cash account
has been having difficulty, and these problems date back
to about July 2003. Unfortunately, the problems have been
getting worse, and not better.
For my own part, I've
Dear Ahmed,
What do you think? If you have any other suggestions
please suggest.
Well, here's a thought. There is a capital D with a
horizontal line through it which is part of the standard
ASCII character set. It is symbol 208 which you can
access in HTML by encoding #208; or with Microsoft
Dear Danny,
An economy where only gold is used as money, would have
some problems.
We actually have an example of such an economy.
Consider the Byzantine empire, from 450 to 1453 AD.
The entire economy was based on the gold solidus
coin. As a result, Byzantium traded with every
country in the
Dear George,
I agree, but there is one catch: the gold does not belong
to the people.
Gold very obviously belongs to some people. Are you opposed
to gold because it hasn't been nationalized by the so-called
dictatorship of the proletariat?
Gold was nationalized in the Soviet Union. All those
Dear Danny,
Hmmm. 450 to 1453 AD is not exactly known as a time of
great progress.
Yes, it is. It was a time of great progress in Byzantium
and in the Caliphate. The Caliphate eventually succumbed
to the Mongol hordes of Genghis Khan, and Constantinople
finally fell to the Turks. But, during
Dear Wilkinson,
I really meant it as an order of magnitude rather than a
specific value.
Well, groovy. $99 is the same as $11 if we are only
going to order of magnitude. I tell you what, you can
buy all the grams of gold I've got for $99 each.
I learned this important feature when studying
Dear Wilkinson,
One thing I wanted to ask about is units. Gold is
generally counted in troy ounces or in grams,
Historically, gold has been sold in ounces troy. The
ounce troy or apothecary ounce is a bit different from
the ounce you use in weighing a peck of peas. That
ounce is the ounce
Dear George,
You continue to value it in gold, I in paper money. At
some point, I value my economy to 2 tons of gold (twice
as valuable), but you continue to value it to 1 ton
(because you say the value of gold relative to goods
increases).
Where does your second ton of gold come from? You can
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