In my experience, search committees also look for individuals who have
published while in graduate school. This usually requires motivation and
efforts by both the student and the advisor.
I'm very sorry to see that a few folks have had bad experiences in grad
school. Many of us had very
I have served on many faculty search committees for positions at a largely
undergraduate teaching-focused university--the sort of school that hires a
large fraction of recent grads and post-docs into tenure-track positions. We
specifically look for people who showed an interest in teaching
The burdens on our graduate students continue to increase over the 30 years I
have been in academics. Now our students no only have to publish and get
grants they also have to run entire lecture courses and attend professional
workshops on teaching (note that both workshops and lecture courses
I've been following this thread with great interest. I've found many of the
comments to be on par with my own graduate school experiences. My graduate
school experience has been a mixed bag of positive and negative experiences.
However, I've found that overall the graduate school experience has
Aaron, you seem to have a whole lot on your mind re this topic!
Clearly, for a spousal hire to take place, one of the spice had to have many of
the properties to which I alluded, and it's really unlikely that the other
would be hired unless he/she also had such abilities and achievements as
My experience isn't the same as yours. Departments are often quite happy to get
rid of someone with delusions of grandeur. At my own institution, the reality
is that state funding isn't going anywhere but south, and so each department
will soon have to pay a financial price or opportunity cost
Well said on all counts (note I am a couple of posts behind already! -
this is in response to Tom's original post).
The advisor-advisee relationship is like most others, it is about fit.
One size does not fit all, which is why it is difficult for Universities
to screen advisors a priori, as has
Wow. To extrapolate from your bad experiences to say that NO (state)
universities or K-12 schools should receive greater funding than they do now
doesn't seem justified. You haven't proven the magnitude of the supposed
problems you see, or outlined a workable alternative educational and
Colleagues,
We need to be careful about the assumption that the only real job for a
person trained with a PhD is a tenure track faculty job. I do not believe this
assumption to be true. Several of my colleagues are using their degree in the
private sector.
Respectfully,
Stuart
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Borrett wrote:
Colleagues,
We need to be careful about the assumption that the only real job for a
person trained with a PhD is a tenure track faculty job. I do not believe
this assumption to be true. Several of my colleagues are using their degree
in the private sector.
I could be wrong, but
Under-employed does not = temporary.
Under-employed indicates you are not working fulltime.
There are plenty of jobs in life in which you are employed as a term employee.
That does not mean you are either unemployed or under-employed.
On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 8:18 PM,
Mal, I always thought that under-employed meant working in a job that was
below your training, not a comment on full or part-time status, or term or
permanent (although you could argue about that last one I suppose). So
underemployed for a PhD might be working in a job that only required a
Right now the government of Canada has hiring subsidies for under- and
un-employed individuals. According to them, underemployed encompasses 3
categories: employed part-time, employed in a position below your skill
level, OR employed in a contract lasting less than 6 months.
On Sat, Oct 20, 2012
I'm very sorry to see that a few folks have had bad experiences in grad
school. Many of us had very happy and productive times as graduate students.
But I've seen enough over the years to recognize that faults in advisors, or in
advisees, or both can result in mediocre to bad outcomes – most
the 2010 unemployment rate for PHDs was 2.5%.
Considering that its well into the 70%s (or so I'm told) in
humanities, this is pretty darn good. However, not all PHDs are in
permanent, tenure-track or jobs related to their training. But, this
is true in an discipline and at any education level.
not all PHDs are in permanent, tenure-track or jobs related to their
training
I believe the term you are looking for is under-employed, and in the
case of PhD's, this often comes in the form of adjunct instructorship or
dead-end technician positions. I would be interested in knowing this
As I am currently deciding on whether to enter a PhD program vs. consulting
work/career position, I am finding this feed quite informative and wanted to
respond to:
When we graduate, we have more or less the same credentials as everyone else a
degree. There are many successful scientists
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