Well, truly sorry for your back, Wayne, but thank you for the discussion. I
also
thank Jim Crant for joining the discussion as well as Matt Chew for his
contributions, notably a subtitle - "misanthropy, etymology and environment."
Their appearance is welcome, especially since the author of the
his sense.
Now we may be reaching the limits of this adaptation, and the
evolutionary bet could be to develop a "holistic mind", evolve into a
k-selective species, and coevolve with other "keystone" (at least) species.
Gianluca Polgar
Messaggio originale
again I would emphasize that it is the development of culture that is at
the root of this phenomenon. Nature may drive us, but culture drives us
crazy.
WT
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> WT
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> To:
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> WT,
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> In thinking of "culture as a ps
lying character remains
resilient and adaptable.
WT
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From: "Jamie Lewis Hedges"
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Subject: [ECOLOG-L] Humans in the definition of ecosystems
WT,
In thinking of "culture as a psychological phenomenon that serve(s
WT,
In thinking of "culture as a psychological phenomenon that serve(s) a
utilitarian purpose--that of permitting humans to manipulate their
environment", it is important to state that this manipulation (culture) has
been in many contexts, and can continue to be in given contexts, both
utilita
has caught me napping. And, apparently, in a sense,
CBD.
I am still uncomfortable with using the same term for the earth (or, I
suppose, the universe) and the kind of subsets Crants calls "functional
units." Still, the acid test of a term is its clarity and utility for
communication, an
ation Failure of success equals maladaptation Re:
[ECOLOG-L] Humans in the definition of ecosystems
Not all organisms do adapt.
[[Certainly. I don't want to jump to a conclusion you didn't intend, but I
would say that, while we use "adapt" in a sense that could be interpr
fe is fond of saying,
"Nature bats last." I suspect we're past the first inning.
WT
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From: "James Crants"
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I don't see how the CBD d
uipment for data collection and
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y 02, 2010 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Humans in the definition of ecosystems
WT and Ecolog,
Since the CBD definition of ecosystem calls it "a dynamic complex," not
"the
dynamic complex," it implies that there is more than one ecosystem on
earth
(assuming the authors of
WT and Ecolog,
Since the CBD definition of ecosystem calls it "a dynamic complex," not "the
dynamic complex," it implies that there is more than one ecosystem on earth
(assuming the authors of this definition didn't define it this way to make
room for any extraterrestrial life we might one day dis
first attested 1976. Social studies as an inclusive term for
history, geography, economics, etc., is attested from 1938. Social security
"system of state support for needy citizens" is attested from 1908.
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much; don't give up yet!
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> - Original Message -----
> *From:* malcolm McCallum
> *To:* Wayne Tyson
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> - Original Message -
> *From:* malcolm McCallum
> *To:* Wayne Tyson
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> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 29, 2010 5:14 PM
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> "What distinguishes humans fro
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 7:14 PM, malcolm McCallum <
malcolm.mccal...@herpconbio.org> wrote:
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>
> I do not really see ANY difference between the variation in human culture,
> and the variation in
> social behavior of any other organism.
>
>
I do. A difference of degree is still a difference. I t
um
To: Wayne Tyson
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[ECOLOG-L] Humans in the definition of ecosystems
Sure they do!
Check out most general ecology texts and you should
nvironment. Nature, or reality,
> however, is indifferent to destiny, and will, as Louis Ziegler once said,
> "shrug off Homo sapiens with no more concern that she has countless other
> species in the history of the earth."
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h no more concern that she has countless other
species in the history of the earth."
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Dear Friends
is indifferent to destiny, and will, as Louis Ziegler once said,
"shrug off Homo sapiens with no more concern that she has countless other
species in the history of the earth."
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From: "Fabrice De Clerck"
To:
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 8:20 AM
Subject: [ECOLOG-L] Humans in the definition of ecosystems
Dear Friends,
An environmental economist colleague of mine is disappointed with the CBD
definition of ecosystems which
There is no correct definition of ecosystem, because (like many ecological
objects) ecosystems are stipulated rather than recognized and described.
The term was proposed (like many ecological terms) as an end run around the
problems of controlling the definitions of other stipulated objects (like
c
...well in my opinion that definition is not necessarily specist, unless
you do not consider humans as animals, as they obviously are.
James, would you please add some details to the problems with the part
"interacting as a functional unit"?
Ecosystems (once spatially and temporally - and arbit
Not only that, but if you have read Ricklefs 2008, the Disintegration of
the Ecological Community (Am. Nat 172:741 - DOI: 10.1086/593002), you
might even realize that THAT ecosystem definition leaves a lot to be
desired, especially the part "interacting as a functional unit."
Cheers,
Jim
Fabrice
June, 2010 08:21
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Subject: [ECOLOG-L] Humans in the definition of ecosystems
Dear Friends,
An environmental economist colleague of mine is disappointed with
the CBD
definition of ecosystems which gives the impression that only
pristine areas
are ecosystems. Can an
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Dear Friends,
An environmental economist colleague of mine is disappointed with the CBD
definition of ecosystems which gives the impression that only pristine areas
are ecosystems. Can anyone point us to a more recent definition of ecosystems
that explicitly includes humans as an integral part
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