Re: how to compare generated values with the specified distribution basis

2001-09-20 Thread Rich Ulrich
On 20 Sep 2001 11:05:08 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jon Cryer) wrote: (quoting Robert: even when N=20, a uniform distribution can be treated as normal for most purposes.) I assume you meant to say that for N=20, the sample mean based on a random sample from a uniform distribution can be

Re: Free program to generate random samples

2001-09-20 Thread Gus Gassmann
Randy Poe wrote: @Home wrote: Is there any downloadable freeware that can generate let's say 2000 random samples of size n=100 from a population of 100 numbers. Um. A sample of 100 from a population of 100 is going to give you the entire population. Um^2. Only if you sample

Re: Free program to generate random samples

2001-09-20 Thread Jay Warner
In Excel, the random number generator is =RAND() Produces a number between 0 and 1, inclusive. Some peole dislikie its amount of randomness, but for class purposes, it seems to work well. 2000 x 100 cells to get your sampel set is going to be big, but I think do-able. Or, set up say 100 of

Re: Free program to generate random samples

2001-09-20 Thread Voltolini
I am interested in the same programs and if possible, one that can generate normal, binomial, etc distributions Thanks for any suggestions !!! _ Prof. J. C. Voltolini Grupo de Estudos em Ecologia de Mamiferos - ECOMAM Universidade de

Re: Free program to generate random samples

2001-09-20 Thread jim clark
Hi On Thu, 20 Sep 2001, @Home wrote: Is there any downloadable freeware that can generate let's say 2000 random samples of size n=100 from a population of 100 numbers. Is this conceivable? for excel etc. Easily done with various statistical software (e.g., SPSS, SAS), if you have access

Re: Free program to generate random samples

2001-09-20 Thread @Home
A sample of 100 from a population of 100 is going to give you the entire population Right my example was flawed, assume n=80 and you run the sampling 1000 times. The random generated list you are sampling has 200 number. Gus Gassmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL

Re: what type of distribution on this sampling

2001-09-20 Thread @Home
what about if n is only 15 and the population distribution is heavily skewed? Isn't there a balancing here. Of course w/81 samples, it is hard to conceive anything but a normal distrib based on the CLT. Edward Dreyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...

Re: Free program to generate random samples

2001-09-20 Thread Rich Ulrich
[ stripping a couple of Newsgroups from the list ] On Thu, 20 Sep 2001 17:08:42 -0300, Gus Gassmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Randy Poe wrote: @Home wrote: Is there any downloadable freeware that can generate let's say 2000 random samples of size n=100 from a population of 100

Re: what type of distribution on this sampling

2001-09-20 Thread @Home
The sample mean is the average of your actual sample values. It isn't obviously 78 or anything else, though it might be close to 78. And how did you calculate the standard error? I stand corrected on this point. Thanks. Randy Poe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL

WTC 9-11 stats show paranormal connection

2001-09-20 Thread jeff rasmussen
>Subject: WTC 9-11 stats show paranormal connection (Report from Princeton U) > >http://noosphere.princeton.edu/ >please read and comment I'm not surprised by the results. The "materialistic" viewpoint that most extant science still clings to is clearly wrongheaded as shown by quantum physics

Bayesian estimation - variance function

2001-09-20 Thread Karin Meyer
I am estimating variance components for a model with heterogeneous error variances using Gibbs sampling. This is straightforward for a model where we simply classify records as to which error variance they represent, sampling from inverse chi-square distributions. Assuming error variances change

Re: what type of distribution on this sampling

2001-09-20 Thread dennis roberts
normal populations result in normal sampling distributions of means ... if one considers all possible samples non normal populations never result in exactly normal sampling distributions regardless of sample sizes (though to the naked eye you might not be able to tell the difference) the

Re: what type of distribution on this sampling

2001-09-20 Thread dennis roberts
At 06:28 PM 9/20/01 -0400, Stan Brown wrote: None that I know, in a formal sense. If you take 100 random samples of size 81, or 100,000 random samples of size 81, your histogram of sample means will have the same shape, though the curve will be a bit smoother with 100,000 samples. this is for

WTC 9-11 stats show paranormal connection (Report from Princeton U)

2001-09-20 Thread Cato
http://noosphere.princeton.edu/ please read and comment = Instructions for joining and leaving this list and remarks about the problem of INAPPROPRIATE MESSAGES are available at http://jse.stat.ncsu.edu/

Re: Prerequisite for stats (was Re: for number haters)

2001-09-20 Thread Herman Rubin
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bruce Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 20 Sep 2001, Jay Warner wrote: true math phobes may not like the idea of putting the equation details number crunching up to software. the thinking involved in Dennis' list above is much harder. Even BC (before

Re: how to compare generated values with the specifieddistributionbasis

2001-09-20 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Jon Cryer wrote: Robert: even when N=20, a uniform distribution can be treated as normal for most purposes. I assume you meant to say that for N=20, the sample mean based on a random sample from a uniform distribution can be assumed to have a normal distribution for most purposes.

what type of distribution on this sampling

2001-09-20 Thread @Home
I am trying to solve a ? which basically gives the following facts: population of unknown number popu std dev of 27 pop mean of 78 sample of size n=81 2000 random samples The ? is: what is the sample mean? what is the std error (std dev of sample means) what shape would the histogram be? The

Free program to generate random samples

2001-09-20 Thread @Home
Is there any downloadable freeware that can generate let's say 2000 random samples of size n=100 from a population of 100 numbers. Is this conceivable? for excel etc. = Instructions for joining and leaving this list and remarks

Re: how to compare generated values with the specified distribution basis

2001-09-20 Thread Rich Ulrich
On Thu, 20 Sep 2001 15:54:24 +0200, JHWB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hm, hope I didn't make that subject to complex, resulting in zero replies. But hopefully you can answer this: I have a N(20,5) distribution and based on that I generated 25 values using Minitab and the CalcRandom dataNormal

Re: what type of distribution on this sampling

2001-09-20 Thread @Home
Stan, Thanks for the detailed explanation. I have one follwoup ?. You say, If the original population is normally distributed, the sample means will also be normally distributed. Even if the original population is skewed, the sample means will still be approximately normally distributed given

Re: what type of distribution on this sampling

2001-09-20 Thread Randy Poe
@Home wrote: I am trying to solve a ? which basically gives the following facts: population of unknown number popu std dev of 27 pop mean of 78 With what underlying distribution? sample of size n=81 2000 random samples The ? is: what is the sample mean? what is the std error

Re: what type of distribution on this sampling

2001-09-20 Thread Edward Dreyer
At 05:48 PM 9/20/2001 +, you wrote: I am trying to solve a ? which basically gives the following facts: population of unknown number popu std dev of 27 pop mean of 78 sample of size n=81 2000 random samples The ? is: what is the sample mean? what is the std error (std dev of sample

Re: Free program to generate random samples

2001-09-20 Thread Edward Dreyer
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Re: Free program to generate random samples

2001-09-20 Thread Randy Poe
@Home wrote: Is there any downloadable freeware that can generate let's say 2000 random samples of size n=100 from a population of 100 numbers. Um. A sample of 100 from a population of 100 is going to give you the entire population. - Randy

Re: for students (biology et al.) that hate numbers

2001-09-20 Thread Rob MacTurk
Would you happen to have the exact location for the expected proportions of MM colors? I went to the MM site and couldn't seem to locate it. Rob MacTurk Paul Bernhardt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... You can have them count the colors of

Re: Prerequisite for stats (was Re: for number haters)

2001-09-20 Thread Jerry Dallal
the level of mathematics often does not go much beyond cross-multiplying to solve for an unknown, There's part of the problem in a nutshell. There's no such thing as cross-multiply. It's..what?..a trick? It epitomizes the shortcut that hides the rigor behind what's really going on--two

Re: for students (biology et al.) that hate numbers

2001-09-20 Thread Jerry Dallal
You can have them count the colors of candies in bags of MMs. The MM web site has the expected proportions published so they can do a ChiSquare test against those proportions. Does anybody really care about the proportions of different colors in bags of MMs? Do a class of brainstorming to

Re: for students (biology et al.) that hate numbers

2001-09-20 Thread William B. Ware
From an old post... Plain Peanut Red 20% 10% Orange 10% 10% Yellow 20% 20% Green 10% 10% Blue10% 30% Brown 30% 20% WBW

Re: Viruses in EdStat

2001-09-20 Thread Jerry Dallal
E. Jacquelin Dietz wrote: The EdStat list is not moderated -- no human sees the messages before they are automatically forwarded to the list. Jackie Dietz Jerry Dallal wrote: E. Jacquelin Dietz wrote: We have investigated the possibility of removing attachments from messages

how to compare generated values with the specified distribution basis

2001-09-20 Thread JHWB
Hm, hope I didn't make that subject to complex, resulting in zero replies. But hopefully you can answer this: I have a N(20,5) distribution and based on that I generated 25 values using Minitab and the CalcRandom dataNormal function. The result yielded a mean of 19,083 and a standard deviation

Re: Free program to generate random samples

2001-09-20 Thread @Home
Rand really doesn't help. You need to put in separate arguments for the sample size n, number of repetitions, and location of the population array. Jay Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... In Excel, the random number generator is =RAND()

Re: Factor analysis - which package is best for Windows?

2001-09-20 Thread Robert Ehrlich
you may wish to consider NCSS (they have a web site) provides essentially the same output as SAS but is run from templates not SAS language. Less expensive, good documentation, excellant support. However does not provide an audit trail--a necessary feature for some governmental / legal

Re: Definitions of Likert scale, Likert item, etc.

2001-09-20 Thread Rich Ulrich
- about the citation; and some musing. On 19 Sep 2001 18:11:59 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (dennis roberts) wrote: At 05:14 PM 9/19/01 -0400, Rich Ulrich wrote: It has Likert's original observations on writing an attitude scale (1932, which I had not seen elsewhere). dmr likert's work

Re: how to compare generated values with the specified distributionbasis

2001-09-20 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
JHWB wrote: Hm, hope I didn't make that subject to complex, resulting in zero replies. But hopefully you can answer this: I have a N(20,5) distribution and based on that I generated 25 values using Minitab and the CalcRandom dataNormal function. The result yielded a mean of 19,083 and

Re: how to compare generated values with the specified distribution basis

2001-09-20 Thread Jon Cryer
Robert: even when N=20, a uniform distribution can be treated as normal for most purposes. I assume you meant to say that for N=20, the sample mean based on a random sample from a uniform distribution can be assumed to have a normal distribution for most purposes. Right? Jon Cryer At 01:16