Re: fla election & stats

2001-01-08 Thread Leo G Simonetta
On 5 Jan 2001 08:15:56 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Simon, Steve, PhD) wrote: >It would be valuable to record all of the issues of interest to >Statisticians. Here's a quick list off the top of my head. I'm not looking >to re-open these issues for debate. I just want to summarize what I think >were

Re: fla election & stats

2001-01-07 Thread Rich Ulrich
On Fri, 05 Jan 2001 22:55:23 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J. Williams) wrote: > On Fri, 05 Jan 2001 16:56:03 -0500, Rich Ulrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > >What is your corollary issue? I don't see that you name one ... I > > It is simple. If your state was divided into two time zones and

Re: fla election & stats

2001-01-06 Thread Robert Chung
"J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > I would be interested in research showing voter intentions in those > western counties AFTER learning the election had been already called. > It would be fascinating to find out what the exit pollste

Re: fla election & stats

2001-01-06 Thread dennis roberts
At 02:34 PM 1/6/01 +, J. Williams wrote: > >The entire nation is not what I talked about in my post. I'm >referring to voters in an individual state which is the same problem >writ small. Voters in the panhandle region of Florida were confronted >with electronic media calling the election b

Re: fla election & stats

2001-01-06 Thread dennis roberts
At 09:42 PM 1/5/01 -0800, Jake wrote: >This is silly. Why inconvenience the voters when a news blackout until ALL the >polls are closed will do the trick? The overzealousness of the press does not >trump the people's right to vote. i totally agree ... but, in a democracy with a free press, how do

Re: fla election & stats

2001-01-06 Thread J. Williams
On 5 Jan 2001 17:32:16 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (dennis roberts) wrote: >this is the perennial issue in national elections about ... if it looks >like the election is sewn up from the east and south ... then what is to >motivate those in the napa valley to leave their vinyards and head for the >p

Re: fla election & stats

2001-01-05 Thread Jake
This is silly. Why inconvenience the voters when a news blackout until ALL the polls are closed will do the trick? The overzealousness of the press does not trump the people's right to vote. Personally I have no respect for anyone who lets some talking heads decide for them whether or not they wi

Re: fla election & stats

2001-01-05 Thread dennis roberts
this is the perennial issue in national elections about ... if it looks like the election is sewn up from the east and south ... then what is to motivate those in the napa valley to leave their vinyards and head for the polls? i do think there are some data that roughly show that voter turnout is

Re: fla election & stats

2001-01-05 Thread J. Williams
On Fri, 05 Jan 2001 16:56:03 -0500, Rich Ulrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >What is your corollary issue? I don't see that you name one ... I It is simple. If your state was divided into two time zones and it was announced the election for all intents and purposes was "over," would you stand

Re: fla election & stats

2001-01-05 Thread Rich Ulrich
On Fri, 05 Jan 2001 20:38:07 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J. Williams) wrote: < snip, SS about "data quality" > > Another corollary issue is the media calling Florida for a candidate > based on common exit poll data prior to the closing of the polling > stations due to differing time zones within the

Re: fla election & stats

2001-01-05 Thread J. Williams
On 5 Jan 2001 08:15:56 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Simon, Steve, PhD) wrote: >Data quality: What caused the two premature calls for Florida in the media >on election night? Are exit polls a useful source of information? > >Data quality again: What is the impact of having different standards for >c

RE: fla election & stats

2001-01-05 Thread Gene Gallagher
>In article , > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Simon, Steve, PhD) wrote: [A list of statistical issues raised by the Fl election] >If there were other important statistical issues raised by this >election, let me know so I can add to this list. >Steve Si

RE: fla election & stats

2001-01-05 Thread Simon, Steve, PhD
Frank Bokhorst writes: >As Dennis pointed out in an earlier mail, many >of the issues were not statistical. A better term >is perhaps >methodological", but so be it. One >cannot always deal with these matters in isolation >when "real life" examples are discussed, and the >value of such exam

Re: fla election & stats

2001-01-04 Thread Bokhorst, Frank
Thank you, Dennis, for making an effort to provide access to this information. I also look forward to seeing what the CHANCE project makes of this issue. As Dennis pointed out in an earlier mail, many of the issues were not statistical. A better term is perhaps "methodological", but so be it