Re: manual recount - of punched ballots

2000-11-14 Thread Thom Baguley
Ron Hardin wrote: Rich Ulrich wrote: With 10,000 no-punches where only half that many no-votes should be expected (in Palm Beach County), they re-counted a 1% sample and came up with 47 additional votes -- about half of the 100 or so that were possible, and consistent with the number of

Re: manual recount - of punched ballots

2000-11-14 Thread Bert Bishop
Thom Baguley wrote: I fail to see how the punch card improves on this (IMO it is worse because you simply can not fold it - or it won't go through the machine). Thom The punch card is put into a folder concealing the punches. Folder and card are deposited into the ballot box.

help: weighted robust regression

2000-11-14 Thread Patrick Agin
Hi, Does someone know how to include weights in the S-Plus rdl1.s algorithm (the robust regression algorithm developed by Hubert Rousseeuw)? Of course, the algorithm already include a weighting scheme (based on distances of x points w.r.t. a robust center of an ellipsoid) but I want, before

Fwd: Butterfly ballots (fwd)

2000-11-14 Thread Bob Hayden
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Re: manual recount - of punched ballots

2000-11-14 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Since the technical term "chad" for the piece of card removed by a punch has been publicised recently, I thought I'd pass on the etymological note from the Hacker's Dictionary (E.S. Raymond, 1994, or consult (among other sites) http://info.astrian.net/jargon/ :) chad /chad/ n. 1.

Re: Palm Beach Stats

2000-11-14 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Paul Bernhardt wrote: Reg Jordan wrote on 11/10/00 10:51 AM: It's interesting that no Republicans have claimed that the ballot was misleading -- all the complaints seem to come from Democrats. Wouldn't the "misleading, confusing" nature of the ballot apply equally across the voting

Re: Stats on Palm Beach votes

2000-11-14 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Eric Scharin wrote: The discussions I've heard during the media coverage of this all have a disconcertingly political tinge to them. There seems to be a lack of debate based on principle. The principle I'm referring to the right of every eligible citizen to have their opinion heard

Re: NY Times on statisticians' view of election

2000-11-14 Thread Rodney Sparapani
I think Paul's idea of eliminating punch cards is probably a good one. But, this is really only a problem with large voting districts. The error rate is about 32 out of 1000. Usually, the error is an undervote, i.e. somebody voted, but it was not counted. For small districts, it would be

mortality model

2000-11-14 Thread Shareef Siddeek
Dear Stat gurus, Can someone tell me what is the appropriate stochastic (natural) mortality model for people. Thanks. Siddeek begin:vcard n:Siddeek;Shareef M. tel;fax:(907) 465-2604 Phone: (907) 465-6107 tel;work:P.O. Box 25526, Juneau, Alaska 99802-5526, U.S.A.

[ap-stat] RE: election proposal

2000-11-14 Thread Joe Ward
Does anyone know WHY so many states DON'T DO IT THIS WAY? Perhaps the Political Science/History folks can comment. -- Joe Joe Ward.Health Careers High School 167 East

Re: Fwd: Butterfly ballots (fwd)

2000-11-14 Thread J. Williams
In today's local paper here on the Space Coast of Florida, an elementary school teacher divided her 4th grade language arts class of varied abilities into 3 distinct groups of 11 students. Each group was asked to vote using the butterfly ballot now being questioned. One group was asked to vote

RE: 3 cheers for a pilot!

2000-11-14 Thread dennis roberts
At 02:18 PM 11/14/00 -0600, Simon, Steve, PhD wrote: Robert Dawson writes: An important issue is that no one ran a pilot on this ballot. once again ... failure to do a pilot jumps up and bites one on the backside ... a fundamental principle in research, ignored ... never UNderestimate the

Re: Fwd: Butterfly ballots (fwd)

2000-11-14 Thread Ronald Bloom
J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In today's local paper here on the Space Coast of Florida, an elementary school teacher divided her 4th grade language arts class of varied abilities into 3 distinct groups of 11 students. Each group was asked to vote using the butterfly ballot now

Re: Fwd: Butterfly ballots (fwd)

2000-11-14 Thread J. Williams
On Tue, 14 Nov 2000 22:17:31 GMT, Ronald Bloom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In today's local paper here on the Space Coast of Florida, an elementary school teacher divided her 4th grade language arts class of varied abilities into 3 distinct groups of 11

Re: Fwd: Butterfly ballots (fwd)

2000-11-14 Thread Rich Ulrich
On Tue, 14 Nov 2000 22:02:09 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J. Williams) wrote: In today's local paper here on the Space Coast of Florida, an elementary school teacher divided her 4th grade language arts class of varied abilities into 3 distinct groups of 11 students. Each group was asked to vote

Re: Help needed ... :-(

2000-11-14 Thread David Heiser
Based on the problems we have in ansering vague questions on edstat, I can say that any requestor must be able to state the question, so we here (using American English) can understand what he is saying and give a helpful answer. It is obvious that all of us have problems understanding the

Laplace quote

2000-11-14 Thread Alan McLean
Laplace once said: 'Probability is merely common sense reduced to numbers.' Can anyone provide a reference for this? My thanks, Alan McLean = Instructions for joining and leaving this list and remarks about the problem of

Re: 3 cheers for a pilot!

2000-11-14 Thread Gary Winkel
Hi Dennis! I was wondering when someone would have enough sense to suggest the need for a simple pilot study. Thank you for your good sense and good advice. It is amazing how much time, energy, and effort is saved by taking such a simple step as running a pilot. Thank you, Gary

Re: Fwd: Butterfly ballots (fwd)

2000-11-14 Thread Eric Bohlman
Ronald Bloom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would the group of kids doing a post-hoc experiment be biased inasmuch as the nature of the problem at hand may have become common-knowledge by now; even among kids; and so one would be forewarned of the error-mode in question, and be much less likely

Re: NY Times on statisticians' view of election

2000-11-14 Thread mal11
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rodney Sparapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2) they didn't examine the undervotes in the original count or the state-law mandated re-count; it's only in the third count where they are considering them, which is what is so disturbing. i tell you want I find

Re: distribution of daily low/high

2000-11-14 Thread Li0N_iN_0iL
Herman Rubin wrote: The Brownian motion here is one-dimensional. See chapter 17 (Brownian Motion of a galvanometer), "Thermodynamics", Francis Weston Sears (Addison-Wesley). = Instructions for joining and leaving this list and

Treating dichotomous data as metric data

2000-11-14 Thread sahrens2000
Dear all, please forgive me if this has been asked many times before, but I couldn't find any other info about it. BTW, is there a FAQ section? My problem is this: In market research we deal with many data that are batteries of questionnaire items but where the items are coded as dichotomous