Re: Two sided test with the chi-square distribution?

2001-02-10 Thread Donald Burrill
On Thu, 8 Feb 2001, jim clark wrote in part: We all agree that it is confusing, but I do believe that the use of one-tailed and two-tailed to refer to directional vs. non-directional hypotheses (rather than uniquely to one or two tails of a distribution) is very wide-spread and quite common.

Re: Two sided test with the chi-square distribution?

2001-02-08 Thread Donald Burrill
On Tue, 6 Feb 2001, jim clark wrote in part: The problem is that one-tailed test is taken as synonymous with directional hypothesis (e.g., Ha: Mu1Mu2). This causes no confusion with distributions such as the t-test, because directional implies one-tailed. This correspondence does not hold

Re: Two sided test with the chi-square distribution?

2001-02-06 Thread Bob Wheeler
Incorrectly? Would you please expand your thought. The only thing that might be called an error in his laws, that comes immediately to mind, is the fact that he didn't allow for the small problem of two genes being on the same chromosome -- but then he didn't know about chromosomes. Is this what

Re: Two sided test with the chi-square distribution?

2001-02-06 Thread Jay Warner
Bob Wheeler wrote: Your point is a good one, but as a side issue, let me object to the word "fudged." It implies chicanery, which is not something that even Fisher cared to imply. No one will ever know why Mendel's results appear as they do, but It was not necessarily with an intent to

Re: Two sided test with the chi-square distribution?

2001-02-06 Thread jim clark
Hi On Tue, 6 Feb 2001, Thom Baguley wrote: Donald Burrill wrote: Well, it _might_ be. Depends on what hypothesis was being tested, doesn't it? And so far "rjkim" hasn't deigned to tell us that. Yes, though I think the vocabulary can obscure what goes on. To me a "one-tailed" test

Re: Two sided test with the chi-square distribution?

2001-02-05 Thread dennis roberts
would this be like the F being less than 1 ... in a regular anova??? mean difference not even varying like we would expect them to by chance if null were true? = Instructions for joining and leaving this list and remarks

Re: Two sided test with the chi-square distribution?

2001-02-05 Thread Alan McLean
I think some of this is a matter of vocabulary. Do you say 'one tailed test' or 'one sided test'? (Ditto for 'two'.) People seem to use the two phrases fairly interchangeably. In this context, it does not matter whether you think of the F distribution as having two 'ends' - and you can use one or

Re: Two sided test with the chi-square distribution?

2001-02-05 Thread Rich Strauss
Your point is well taken, and I didn't mean to imply dishonesty either -- the term "fudged" was a poor choice, but I meant it in the sense of manipulation or filtering, not necessarily conscious, and I mentioned that it was an assertion. Rich Strauss At 06:13 PM 2/5/01 -0500, you wrote: Your