We wanted to inform anyone familiar with Arthur Siegel's work with PyGeo
that Arthur passed away on Tuesday. Anyone interested in more
information can email his sister at [EMAIL PROTECTED] The funeral
will be at 12:00 at the Riverside Memorial Chapel, 21 West Broad Street
in Mount Verno
The subject line is Eric Raymond's title of an entry at
http://armedndangerous.blogspot.com/2003_07_27_armedndangerous_archive.html
I don't read a lot of Raymond, and don't consider myself a libertarian
of his stripe, but a somwhat out-of-context quote I enjoyed from this
article:
"""
There a
thank you all for listening.
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kirby urner wrote:
> I advise the Minister of
> Education to keep the alliance going with our neighbor computer languages,
> as our common enemy is this cork in the bottle which keeps kids the
> prisoner of the personal calculator fanatics. They should have the choice
> to break free, and into th
kirby urner wrote:
> We oughta
> be able to work with the guy, is my attitude.
I wouldn't begin to know how to participate in a discussion that he is
engineering. The very fundamental ground rules of discourse within 412
miles of him are not acceptable to me.
I have questions.
He has answers.
kirby urner wrote:
>
> A little. But these are both esoteric back office enclave kinds of
> jobs, appreciated by an inner circle, but not getting out in front
> with a rhetoric. Do you think no rhetoric is required, or only that
> your role is not to provide it, only to kibbitz from the sideline
Ivan Krstić wrote:
>
> If you're willing to discuss "picking on children," I think your best
> bet is to throw on a pair of jeans and a T-shirt and show up at PyCon,
> any offense to your fashion sense notwithstanding. I can't speak for the
> other two speakers, but I won't be talking about eLearn
kirby urner wrote:
>
> The *sounds* modest, yes, plus leaves you free to critique any actual
> implementation of a perspective as immodest. Calling for perspective
> isn't really doing any work, is just being modest. *Providing*
> perspectives
> is the name of the game.
PyGeo is interesting wo
kirby urner wrote:
> Plus you want to start exposure young enough to see if you have some
> child prodigies. You can't have child prodigies if you keep the computer
> locked up until they have beards.
I am not proposing keeping it locked up. I am making the modest
proposal that we keep it in pe
Arthur wrote:
> And within this, I think picking on children as a target is particularly
> problematic - precisely because expertise in the subject of the
> education of children is so hard to evaluate. Anyone can claim it. Even
> computer programmers.
Piaget is a theorist. Let
Arthur wrote:
> The more direct and on-topic point is that, yes, it is impossible to
> correlate technical depth with anything related to education outside of
> narrow limits of that technical depth - and even then it is touchy.
>
> This seems obvious.
>
> Except now
Arthur wrote:
>
> Kidding aside, I think you are touching on something important in this
> point.
>
> But in the end I think the written word will remain indefinitely the
> most level playing field, and - largely because of this fact - the most
> potent medium for the c
kirby urner wrote:
>
> Not high budget or anything. I want a typical viewer to think
> "wait a minute, I could do this too, and probably better than he does."
How different would they look if that was not the effect you were going
for ;)
Kidding aside, I think you are touching on something imp
Jeff Rush wrote:
> It's a shame you are not attending PyCon this year. I would like to
> have met you and discussed education matters in a more communicative
> media than email. Me thinks your wardrobe is a bit like the Emperor's
> New Clothes, not thin from time. ;-)
If it were that thin yo
kirby urner wrote:
> ICYC (in case you're curious)...
>
> I went back and reviewed my entire OSCON 2005 talk in just 4 minutes in
> this just uploaded and blogged Google Video:
You attending PyCon2007?
Regrettably I am not.
It came down to an matter of wardrobe.
Always feeling it important to
Peter Bowyer wrote:
> At 01:57 25/01/2007, kirby urner wrote:
>
>>More the current state of the art for today's geeks:
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lawkc3jH3ws
>>(kinda hyper)
>
>
> And the state of the art for the future(?):
> http://brilliantdays.com/multi-touch/
My favorite quote:
"Th
kirby urner wrote:
> Now I sense a contingent waiting in the wings, deus ex machina, willing
> to at least stage a comeback of computer languages in math teaching.
If and when the modest ideas of modest people can get heard.
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Bert Freudenberg wrote:
>
> Actually, Squeak folks do fine. They're not flocking to Python, even
> though Paul (unfortunatly for us) left a few years ago. You may be
> confusing Alan Kay's reaching out to the Python community with what
> the Squeak community does.
>Two very different pair
Speaking of Coxeter, teaching, learning, cognition, computers, GUIs
the thoughts of a mathematics educator:
Coxeter Theory: The Cognitive Aspects
http://www.maths.manchester.ac.uk/~avb/pdf/coxeter.pdf
Evenhanded enough.
"""
Section 10 Parsing, continued: do brackets matter?
"""
discusses some
Paul D. Fernhout wrote:
>
> I think making easy and widely available this support for easy debugging
> into a function and changing it and restarting all in a still running
> application would be of great value to anyone learning through tinkering
> with a Python-powered application (like an ed
kirby urner wrote:
>
> Inability to get *under* 4 very easily...
I mean to get around to trying the 4 view on for size.
But in my world where regularity is a corner case, it might put me over
the edge of the world
and it will be on your conscience ;)
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kirby urner wrote:
>> To assault this tradition in the name of geek culture is immature.
>>
>
> Dunno why you say "assault." Geek culture contributes to academia, is
> contributed to by academia, but is not synonymous with it -- otherwise
> the word'd be too redundant to keep alive.
Enjoyed foll
kirby urner wrote:
>
> You distrust the crassly commercial. I think academics might
> be missing the boat.
It's not a question, in my mind, as to who is or is not missing the boat.
It is matter of process. The academic world has a well-vetted
tradition in which to fit inquiry and the explora
kirby urner wrote:
>
> Alan the Smalltalk Slayer, doesn't do that, which to me bespeaks
> a still nimble mind. He walks a tough talk.
You are giving me Alan's rap. Like you practice your rap.
He talks a tough walk.
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Bert Freudenberg wrote:
>
> Implying that Kay's work as a scientist is somehow against sharing
> and competition of ideas is an insult. It's not a grass-roots
> movement like Linux, this is true. But that alone is not enough to
> put him into the "bad corporate marionette" corner either. You
Arthur wrote:
> Here
> the world of human-computer interface takes on its importance. And I
> don't think one can talk about the world of human-computer interface
> without talking about Kay.
>
> But this is edu-sig.
>
> And I don't think it is the story
Arthur wrote:
> kirby urner wrote:
> My *insistence* on certain things is that we are in fact talking about
> things *lived*, not imagined. The history with Kay at or near its
> epicenter is very much *not* the history I lived.
Damn it, I hate when Kirby is not only right, but m
kirby urner wrote:
> So in my telling, the revolution hadn't really started yet in
> those early Wordstar and WordPerfect days. That was an
> office culture revolution, a change of equipment, but had
> little to do with real computing or computer science *except*
> where so-called power users wer
John Maxwell wrote:
> I've been reading this edu-sig list since its inception
sympathies.
, and in the
> past 6 months or so I've noticed an enormous surge of interest in
> (and controversy around) Squeak and Alan Kay's Dynabook concept.
what's the controversy?
powerful and dangerous ideas.
francois schnell wrote:
> It's a very supportive and friendly list (unlike the edu-sig list which is
> often more pathetic than pythonic to my taste) ;)
More irony from francois, I have to assume.
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Ivan Krstić wrote:
>
> I don't think I can actually figure out what you're saying here. I am
> happy to have a discussion, but that requires understanding what's being
> discussed; please consider rephrasing your concerns in very simple,
> non-philosophical terms.
>
If it is any consolation, you
Paul D. Fernhout wrote:
> Personally I'm not into Waldorf education as a big picture, but I like a
> lot of the parts, especially their stand against media for young kids. I'd
> say the same about the Montessori method too (the other big well known
> alternative).
How did we get to Waldorf??/
kirby urner wrote:
> Honk honk! <--- goose noise
>
> "AFLAK!"
Talk about interesting terminology ;)
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Yes, Paul:
School sucks.
Any kid worth his salt knows that
And yes Paul:
The possibilities for meaningful testing are indeed limited. Are we
influencing someone to be more or less creative, more or less
independent, etc.
Implicit in the design of any test is our values -i.e. for what are we
Hate being the grunch. I hope the OLPC accomplishes everything it sets
out to and more.
What I suspect is that - having learnt something about complexity and
dynamic systems from computers - that the most profound effects of the
initiative will be unintended ones. Let's hope they are mostly g
Bruce,
I have committed a new directory to vpython-core2 called
VCBuild
It contains concise instructions (VCBuild.txt), a cvisual solutions
(cvisual.sln) file and project (.vcproj) files for booth_python,
boost_thread, and sigc.
It should allow you to do a build on Visual Sutdio 2005 C++ (eit
Arthur wrote:
> How does OLPC avoid communicating that it is OK to *not* understand - in
> any meaningful sense - the tools one uses, to children who can't be
> expected to understand the working of these tools in any meaningful sense?
>
> ..is an attempt to express in
Ivan Krstić wrote:
> [Sorry for the missing References headers; I was not previously
> subscribed to edu-sig.]
>
I am thankful of your response. Because it is a response, a
communication. If we decide that the technology provides a new
infrastructure for communication that can be harnessed, and
Arthur wrote:
> Jeff Rush wrote:
>
>>The conference is also running four keynote talks by leaders in the
>>programming field, with a special focus on education this year:
Jeff's wording is good and careful here.
But it doesn't attempt to address the question
Jeff Rush wrote:
>
> The conference is also running four keynote talks by leaders in the
> programming field, with a special focus on education this year:
>
>"The Power of Dangerous Ideas: Python and One Laptop per Child"
> by Ivan Krstic, senior member of the One Laptop per Child proj
Paragraph One, of Lisa Randall's recent book "Warped Passages"
http://www.warpedpassages.com/
"""
When I was a young girl, I loved the play and intellectual games in math
problems or in books like Alice in Wonderland. But although reading was
one of my favorite activities, books about science
Paul D. Fernhout wrote:
>John-
>
>An excellent post; and I'll have to agree with most of it, including your
>conclusions at the end, especially in relation to choosing educational
>strategies based on empirical research.
>
Consensus on this point is an excellent starting point.
But even given i
Arthur wrote:
> It used to be called science.
The scientific spirit requiring us to lay the specimen on the table,
brutality dissect it, exposing it as metal and as silicon and
instruction sets with an intelligence that is a horribly crippled parody
of our own.
Not in fact to enter into
Arthur wrote:
>That is, at the stage when the fact that an offered experience is a
>being mediated through a digital Mystery begins to become something we
>can expect to have accepted without a very wrong message attached.
>
>
And even at that stage it is (almost?)
Paul D. Fernhout wrote:
>I'll agree with your larger point in practice in our society, on roles for
>both intrinsic motivation of liking some thing versus the extrinsic desire
>to learn something just to get some task done. There is another path
>humanity used to be on, but we are not back on i
Arthur wrote:
>The analysis/understanding of dense working code is to me the starting
>point. Understanding something of the language anatomy is a byproduct
>of that effort, not the focus of it.
>
>I feel strongly that this top->down approach to learning in relationshi
Scott David Daniels wrote:
>Arthur wrote:
>
>
>>Have dug in quite a bit to VPython's code, which has become an intensive
>>C++ course for me. And have accomplished a good deal in keeping the
>>project moving forward, healthy and on-track. I happen to
Have dug in quite a bit to VPython's code, which has become an intensive
C++ course for me. And have accomplished a good deal in keeping the
project moving forward, healthy and on-track. I happen to be proud of that.
90% of the battle for this kind of intensive learning process always
seems
Laura Creighton wrote:
>Have you read 'Fumbling the Future'?
>http://www.amazon.com/Fumbling-Future-Invented-Personal-Computer/dp/1583482660
>
>
Another comment, I'm afraid.
No I have not read the book. But I did go so the Amazon site where,
among the reviews for the book, is one by someone w
Laura Creighton wrote:
>I wouldn't call the work done at PARC as 'failed research projects'.
>
>
My point was only that Paul is saying that Smalltalk was developed
specifically for children. It is never fully clear to me in conversing
with Paul whether he means for children to *write* or for
Paul D. Fernhout wrote:
>If I perhaps oversimplify, essentially the choice right now is between
>elegant syntax, uniform abstractions, and powerful tools, embodied in a
>system originally designed for kids by big corporate R&D (Smalltalk)
>
I've never met a kid who wrote an iota of Smalltalk. D
Paul D. Fernhout wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>
>>Squeaks pretense issues, and its licensing issues, are - by the way - not
>>unrelated
>>when you look at it.
>>
>>
>
>Sometimes I think something like that myself. :-)
>
>But, to elaborate on your point a little more (in a toned down
Arthur wrote:
>
>Like offering alternatives.
>
>
Like this new-on-the-scene effort
http://pyglet.org/
"""
Pyglet is a cross-platform multimedia library written in pure Python.
"""
Checked out the svn version.
Exciting to see for - among other reas
Paul D. Fernhout wrote:
>I'm still in a state of flux about where to go next after PataPata Phase I
>(recently discussed here). Assuming I continue with Python (rather than
>moving more towards Smalltalk, either Squeak or one for the JVM), what
>interests me most is working on cross-platform ap
Kevin Driscoll wrote:
>Don't sweat the gatekeepers, nor their philosophical leanings.
>Deploy your skills at teaching with Python.
>
>Students who discover your code will benefit. Teachers who discover
>your code will benefit.
>
>Kevin
>
Either its infrastructure will be designed to allow easy u
Kevin Driscoll wrote:
>Pardon me for stepping in late.
>
>One way that edu-sig can get involved with olpc right away is by
>building a tree of sample Python code for kids to discover as they
>root around on their little green machines. How many useful, curious,
>humorous, or mind-altering scripts
Winston Wolff wrote:
> There's so much free stuff out there now, it is really up to the
> developer to sell their platform. But I presume your question was
> rhetorical, and for the purpose of selling your platform?
The market seems to respond best, at the moment, to audacity.
Having met
Winston Wolff wrote:
>
> On Nov 29, 2006, at 10:41 AM, Arthur wrote:
>
>> Over the years, what I have discovered about "educational software" is
>> that most of it is junk, and the really useful things to connect kids
>> with are the open-ended packa
Arthur wrote:
>And is only welcoming to people who are not like-minded.
>
>Why aren't you against it.???
>
>
Don't you see its the like-mindedness that is the root of the problem,
and the root of my reaction to this Educational Philosophy because it
contradicts
Tom Hoffman wrote:
>This is why I find it so amusing everytime someone writes that the
>problem with OLPC is that it is just about hardware and there isn't
>any educational philosophy behind it.
>
>
Well we certainly agree about something. There is an educational
philosophy behind it.
And ap
Reading through some literature of
The Future of Learning Group of the MIT Media Lab
http://learning.media.mit.edu/projects.html
There are astounding statements - in any sense one chooses to take the
word "astounding".
My favorite is right near the top.
Point 2, in fact.
"""
2) established
Bert Freudenberg wrote:
>On Nov 29, 2006, at 16:06 , Tom Hoffman wrote:
>
>
>>I would point out that writing educational software for people who
>>don't have computers isn't very useful either, and that once kids have
>>computers (on a common, free platform) there's a lot more incentive to
>>wri
Bert Freudenberg wrote:
>On Nov 29, 2006, at 13:00 , Arthur wrote:
>
>
>
>>I fear not only that OLPC is turning into a toy, but a toy for the
>>wrong follks, folks who have enough toys, rooms full of them,
>>lost in
>>their toys, blinking and whizzi
Arthur wrote:
>What are we talking about here?
>
>I know, why be nasty.
>
>
Certainly not intending to insult Ian, whose reputation as a leader in
the Python community has been earned form the ground up, by Good Works,
in the best tradition of an Open source community..
Ian Bicking wrote:
>Of course that takes a lot of space, and OLPC is a considerable step
>backwards in terms of resources. With 128Mb of RAM (and not really any
>feasible swap) we have to be very conservative. This also can't have
>any overhead if a child isn't using it.
>
>
Sure is difficu
Paul D. Fernhout wrote:
>For reference, the PataPata project is/was """an experiment to support
>educational constructivism on the Python platform, inspired by "Squeak"
>and "Self", but going beyond those in a Pythonic way."""
>
>
Was PataPata an experiment in education or an experiment in tec
differences in world views we seem to have.
Art
>
> Hello Arthur,
>
> From my personal experience when I download vpython I do it from the
> official vpython website :
>
> http://www.vpython.org
>
> On this site the downloads are mainly from the site (not from a link
FWIW -
Just to get some bearings I just looked at some sourceforge download
statistics for pygeo and for vpython.
PyGeo VPython
Nov 200631 24
Oct 2006 113 144
Sep 2006 112 160
Aug 200690 193
Jul 2006
For the record:
I have made my peace with Bruce Sherwood, the physics professor who
administers the the vpython project. Anyone listening in on
visual-python list can see that our recent interactions are quite
cordial- as are the private interaction we have recently had. He and
Ruth Chabay a
Scott David Daniels wrote:
>>Though I guess we are all allowed to define "sound programming" for
>>ourselves.
>>
>>
>
>With the exception you pointed out about space shuttles.
>
>
if sum(abs(the_array)) != 0:
go ahead
Am I still blowing up anything, potentially??
Still preferring some
Dethe Elza wrote:
> Hi Art,
>
> I've been following your VPython adventures with interest, but am
> pretty tied up right now (article draft overdue for IBM and a big
> release coming at work). On OS X the 4.0 beta won't even finish
> configure, much less build.
Yeah, fitting this kind of s
Arthur wrote:
>...including some undocumented features that are intended to make vpython
>accessible to other GUI toolkits (from what I gather).
>
>
Looking closer, what Jonathan has done is expose the "display_kernel"
functionality to Python. It is the same displa
Making a long story as short as I can:
Taking on the project of getting vpython to numpy compatibility (think I
got there) brought me for the first time to a serious look at vpython
4.0 beta, which I had been avoiding, knowing it was buggy.
Bugs, aside - turns out it is a major step forward, im
Dan Crosta wrote:
>
>be careful:
>
> >>> a = [1, 0, -1]
> >>> if a: print "true"
>true
> >>> if sum(a) != 0: print "true
>
>
Oops.
Definitely keep me away from space shuttle projects ;)
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John Zelle wrote:
>This is why in teaching I prefer to use explicit tests:
>
>if x != 0:
>do something
>
>Rather than
>
>if x:
>do something
>
>
>
Yeah, so in the case I am looking at there is a branching based on
whether either of 2 arrays are all zeros.
So to achieve numpy compatib
John Zelle wrote:
>On Monday 30 October 2006 10:49 am, Arthur wrote:
>
>
>>
>>thanks, but having some trouble:
>> >>> import Numeric as N
>> >>> a=N.array([0,0,0])
>> >>> b=N.array([0,0,1])
>> >>> a and b
>&
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>I've not used .any or .all, but having just taught my CS1 students about
>boolean operators, I was reminded that Python works as the following example
>describes:
>
>x = a and b
># if both a and b are true, x is assigned b, otherwise x is assigned a
>x = 2 and 3 # x i
Looking for a little education on edu-sig.
On one hand I am feeling like a big boy, having announced today on the
vpython list that I think I have adequately accomplished the necessary
fixes to the vpython C++ code to accomplish compatibility with the newly
released numpy 1.0, and in a way tha
On Mon, 2006-10-09 at 18:41 -0500, John Zelle wrote:
> Just curious, is PyOpenGL easy to install for both Mac and Windows? I know
> it's dead simple on most Linux distributions. I think it's pretty easy for
> Windows, but have no experience at all on the Mac.
Assuming that PyOpenGL *is* easy to
On Mon, 2006-10-09 at 17:10 -0500, Ian Bicking wrote:
> In my experience build difficulties are a major hinderance to developer
> participation. It's really (really!) worth figuring out build issues.
>
Not sure there is any getting around the fact that Boost is quirky - its
own (bjam) build me
On Mon, 2006-10-09 at 13:59 -0700, Dethe Elza wrote:
> On 9-Oct-06, at 11:15 AM, Arthur Siegel wrote:
>
> >> My other hope for VPython would be to build it on a more capable 3D
> >> system, such as Ogre or Panda3D (Mike Fletcher keeps a large list of
> >> such
On Mon, 2006-10-09 at 10:54 -0700, Dethe Elza wrote:My other hope for
VPython would be to build it on a more capable 3D
> system, such as Ogre or Panda3D (Mike Fletcher keeps a large list of
> such systems: http://www.vrplumber.com/py3d.py). In this scenario,
> VPython would be an easier ent
> [1] http://www.web3d.org/
> [2] http://www.avimator.com/
> [3] http://orange.blender.org/
>
> --Dethe
>
> On 9-Oct-06, at 10:16 AM, Arthur Siegel wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 2006-10-09 at 11:48 -0500, John Zelle wrote:
> >> I am also very concerned about this s
On Mon, 2006-10-09 at 11:48 -0500, John Zelle wrote:
> I am also very concerned about this situation, as I think VPython is a
> wonderful tool (to which I've contributed).
Hi John -
Thanks for that concern.
If you are following the vpython list you see that I am digging into the
immediate issue
Just wanted to make sure that appropriate folks were aware of Titus
Brown's request @:
http://ivory.idyll.org/blog/oct-06/python-in-cs-1
In short, he is in discussion with Michigan State regarding a faculty
position and teaching CS101 with Python has come up in those
discussions, and he is lookin
Dan Crosta wrote:
>If the author of VPython is not planning to work on it for several
>months
>
The situation is that the actual authors of vpython are gone, as in
graduated, moved on with their lives...
Bruce is more an adminstrator/funder (through a NSF grant) of the project.
Essentially t
This from the August 10 announcement of VPython 4.0beta5
"""
In the "Recent developments" section of vpython.org you can read a
summary of the new features, which is also included in the documentation
contained in the release. This includes a description of remaining known
bugs, some of which
kirby urner wrote:
> Arthur, you make too many enemies too quickly and too easily.
Nah, just making friends the hard way.
>
> But I think more it's a matter of not wanting to show unfinished work
> (a big no no in Fuller's self discipline, according to 'Critical Path
On Mon, 2006-10-02 at 16:04 -0700, kirby urner wrote:
> Or we might import the copy module.
>
> Or we might "take the whole thing as a slice" i.e. newlist = oldlist[:].
>
I used the list(handle1) alternative purposefully, based on Alex
Martelli's position on the matter.
The first time I heard h
On Mon, 2006-10-02 at 16:04 -0700, kirby urner wrote:
> > Anyway, I would advocate the "as opposed to" be integrated into such a
> > presentation.
> >
> > Art
> >
> Actually *duplicating* a piece of memory (wasteful?), to make the same
> contents reside elsewhere (why?), with its own handles, is co
On Mon, 2006-10-02 at 10:00 -0700, kirby urner wrote:
> >>> handle1 = ['coffee','sugar','cream']
> >>> handle2 = handle1
>
> >>> id(handle1)
> 13645944
>
> >>> id(handle2)
> 13645944
I always thought that when presenting this it is natural and important -
in order for the student to truly get i
kirby urner wrote:
>> You are taking something open and public, and narrowing it, and
>> appropriating it.
>
> Absolutely. My right and freedom. No apologies. Go for it.
You are free to do it, but not by right. Is it your right to do anything
that no one can stop you from doing? Maybe in a s
kirby urner wrote:
>Related chatter with math teachers:
>http://mathforum.org/kb/thread.jspa?threadID=1459250&tstart=0
>
>
I go there and hear you talking to a community of math teachers as if
you were an official ambassodor of Python and edu-sig, and as if we were
all on the bangwagon of "gnu
Peter Chase wrote:
>Thanks, Dethe
>
How about at least starting a thread there about well something.
I promise never to post to that list.
I have no embarrassment about how I handle myself here - whether I should or
should not
But would indeed feel better if those who feel I should had
Kevin Driscoll wrote:
>Is there an
>easy graphing solution?
>
>
vpython aand crunchy have been been recently suggested.
Both have the advantage of being non-traditional solutions to this
problem, i.e. they each offer the ability to graph, and much else.
Seems to me there is something to be
kirby urner wrote:
> I'm amazed at the intellectual squalor my fellow citizens have
> acclimated themselves to.
And I am more amazed at you, and who you think you are.
Since it is clear to you that you are not among peers here, why not find
somewhere to present your visions somewhere where yo
kirby urner wrote:
>As gnu math teachers, we cover all this before college, no problem,
>using Python, Ruby or whatever. Strong OO is advisable, as it's just
>natural to consider Polyhedra as Objects (with spin methods, face
>count attributes etc.), and we *definitely* want lots of those.
>
>
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kirby urner wrote:
> One thing it's good for is showing off Beyond Flatland's Renaissance
> Era perspective, i.e. XYZ instead of just XY. People are gaga for
> "graphing calculators" but can't even get off the XY plane with their
> sorry methods. No Polyhedra, no Physical Realism. VPython is go
kirby urner wrote:
> On 9/24/06, Arthur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> In sum, whereas I think Pygeo has many distribution options, I think
> trying to bloat the default installer with Vpython is *not* the most
> efficacious route to that end.
You do better at insultin
Jason Cunliffe wrote:
>Well if you are looking for a good business decision then *please*
>specify and work to compile an uber-useful LiveCD Edu-Sig distro with
>all the math-edu-geo goodies...
>
>
Jason, what edu-sig have you been visiting???
Do you see a group of people here capable of coop
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