Re: [Edu-sig] Entering Squeakland

2006-03-11 Thread Scott David Daniels
kirby urner wrote: >> I think you owe it to yourself, and perhaps to us, to understand and >> express why Squeak does not represent the perfect environment for pursuing >> the kind of educational ideas that you tend to express. If it in fact does >> not >> My own concerns start exactly there -

Re: [Edu-sig] Entering Squeakland

2006-03-10 Thread Arthur
kirby urner wrote: >>Please Kirby, I am talking physics, not cartoons. And as much as I >>admire Mr. J. Moose - I try not to confuse the two things. >> >> >> > >Aw, you're no fun. [Roger Rabbit voice] > > > >>>Yes. Wittgenstein took the same approach to logic: yes it's true, >>>but so

Re: [Edu-sig] Entering Squeakland

2006-03-10 Thread kirby urner
> Please Kirby, I am talking physics, not cartoons. And as much as I > admire Mr. J. Moose - I try not to confuse the two things. > Aw, you're no fun. [Roger Rabbit voice] > >Yes. Wittgenstein took the same approach to logic: yes it's true, > >but so is 0 = 0. > > > > > Not sure what you m

Re: [Edu-sig] Entering Squeakland

2006-03-10 Thread Arthur
kirby urner wrote: >>We turn on the television and pictures appear and we are lost in the >>pictures - the magic that is beyond our understanding or interest on >>what is making them appear is suitably left as magic. *That's* the >>fallacy that's going to bring us down, IMO. >> >> >> > >Yes,

Re: [Edu-sig] Entering Squeakland

2006-03-10 Thread Arthur
kirby urner wrote: > >Type: > >A real Tarzan or Jane, a virtuoso of real jungles -- has no use for >computers in big sky country, outside the DVD teepee. Maybe sleeps in >a hammock, suffers no star-stealing "light pollution" (the nearest big >city is far away). > > > Can we get them elected to

Re: [Edu-sig] Entering Squeakland

2006-03-10 Thread kirby urner
> We turn on the television and pictures appear and we are lost in the > pictures - the magic that is beyond our understanding or interest on > what is making them appear is suitably left as magic. *That's* the > fallacy that's going to bring us down, IMO. > Yes, and I think Squeakland helps figh

Re: [Edu-sig] Entering Squeakland

2006-03-10 Thread Arthur
kirby urner wrote: >Yes, *you* might hate such stuff, but we could *not* take all this >away from children on general policy, once they've become addicted. >There's simply too much precedent for healthy development in this >direction, like in the form of fairy tales and mythology. > > Tsunamis

Re: [Edu-sig] Entering Squeakland

2006-03-10 Thread kirby urner
> I think you owe it to yourself, and perhaps to us, to understand and > express why Squeak does not represent the perfect environment for pursuing > the kind of educational ideas that you tend to express. If it in fact does > not. In fact I'm better at using Python to express what I want to expr

Re: [Edu-sig] Entering Squeakland

2006-03-10 Thread Anna Ravenscroft
On 3/10/06, Arthur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >-Original Message-> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of kirby urner> >> >OK, Teds Ocean comes up, I beckon my wife, and she comes> >over to watch.  "What about the car?"  That's what Tara's> >been up to, progra

Re: [Edu-sig] Entering Squeakland

2006-03-10 Thread Andre Roberge
On 3/10/06, Vern Ceder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Arthur wrote: > > My own concerns start exactly there - with the word "environment". > > > > My understanding is that many conclude that too much "environment" is what > > doomed Smalltalk to a minor role in today's software world. > > > > And re

Re: [Edu-sig] Entering Squeakland

2006-03-10 Thread Vern Ceder
Arthur wrote: > My own concerns start exactly there - with the word "environment". > > My understanding is that many conclude that too much "environment" is what > doomed Smalltalk to a minor role in today's software world. > > And respect for children starts, I think, with not considering the

Re: [Edu-sig] Entering Squeakland

2006-03-10 Thread Arthur
> >-Original Message- > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of kirby urner > > > >OK, Teds Ocean comes up, I beckon my wife, and she comes > >over to watch. "What about the car?" That's what Tara's > >been up to, programming a car (one of the eToys exerci

[Edu-sig] Entering Squeakland

2006-03-09 Thread kirby urner
So McCarty, my supervisor @ Winterhaven, treasured faculty, talked me through a demo dowload of Squeak to the Toshiba, as kids were settling into their seats (projecter already running). Now I have it open in another tab, within FireFox. Let's go see if the plug-in actually works (didn't quite ge