On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 3:04 AM, Brian Blais wrote:
> On Sep 28, 2009, at 16:30 , Gregor Lingl wrote:
>
> Brian Blais schrieb:
>
> However, as I think
> about it, I can not think of a single problem where I *needed* the
> graphic calculator, or where it gave me more insight than I could do
> by h
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 1:39 AM, Edward Cherlin wrote:
<< trim >>
>> Yes, these have been interesting discoveries and remain highly
>> relevant in the workaday world. The idea of closure makes perfect
>> sense in this world of types (Python is a typed language). Is a * b
>> always going to yie
On Sep 28, 2009, at 16:30 , Gregor Lingl wrote:
Brian Blais schrieb:
However, as I think
about it, I can not think of a single problem where I *needed* the
graphic calculator, or where it gave me more insight than I could do
by hand.
I think I have a counterexample.
Run the script, that y
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 8:13 PM, kirby urner wrote:
>> Since say 5000 years humans have devoloped the concepts of numbers,
>> calculations and
>> algebra. They have discovered, that calculations obey certain algebraic laws
>> like
>> a*(b+c) = a*b + a*c and the like. Finally they have devoloped th
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Gregor Lingl wrote:
>> The ability to brute force these data points with a self-feedback
>> circuit governed by various expressions, is for computers and
>> computers only. Humans by themselves aren't even in the game. At the
>> very least you'll want an abacus,
kirby urner schrieb:
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Gregor Lingl wrote:
Strategy of escalation? Arms race?
Not so much. There's nothing on the other side. Will anyone do this
manually? Is that what "correctly" means? More likely they mean
something like "symbolically" which i
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Gregor Lingl wrote:
>
>
> Strategy of escalation? Arms race?
>
Not so much. There's nothing on the other side. Will anyone do this
manually? Is that what "correctly" means? More likely they mean
something like "symbolically" which is akin to "just imagining
so
kirby urner schrieb:
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 4:03 PM, kirby urner wrote:
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Gregor Lingl wrote:
...
That's fine (for the turtle). But if someone thinks that everything is
calculated
"correctly" now, she/he is bound to get disappointed. And that's the po
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 12:49 PM, kirby urner wrote:
> 2009/9/28 Brian Blais :
>
> << trim >>
>
>> Just a month ago, a friend of mine who homeschools her children was asking
>> me about graphing calculators. Apparently the math curriculum she uses has
>> a number of graphic calculator exercises.
There's this option too, some others:
http://matplotlib.sourceforge.net/
Then Sage actually has 3D stuff too e.g.:
sage.plot.plot3d.platonic.cube(center=(0, 0, 0), size=1, color=None,
frame_thickness=0, frame_color=None, **kwds)
to render a 3D cube centered at the origin with default side lengt
Yup, similar experience here. And graphing calculators have now been
promoted to the point where their importance is probably no longer
questioned ... which is too bad ...
There are many ways to graph python-generated computer data. I have dabbled
with many, but for various reasons I continue to
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 4:03 PM, kirby urner wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Gregor Lingl wrote:
>>
>>
>> kirby urner schrieb:
Hi Brian,
>>>
>>> This ran perfectly on Python 3.1rc1 (r31rc1:73069, May 31 2009,
>>> 08:57:10) on my WinXP box (one of a few).
>>>
>>>
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Gregor Lingl wrote:
>
>
> kirby urner schrieb:
>>>
>>> Hi Brian,
>>>
>>>
>>
>> This ran perfectly on Python 3.1rc1 (r31rc1:73069, May 31 2009,
>> 08:57:10) on my WinXP box (one of a few).
>>
>> Note: if this level of chaos / noise bothers you (the functions a
kirby urner schrieb:
Hi Brian,
This ran perfectly on Python 3.1rc1 (r31rc1:73069, May 31 2009,
08:57:10) on my WinXP box (one of a few).
Note: if this level of chaos / noise bothers you (the functions are
algebraically the same, after all), then I recommend using the decimal
type inste
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Jeff Rush wrote:
<< trim >>
> My hobby in high school was (simple forms of) relativity and orbital
> mechanics due to a strong SF interest, so the first program I ever wrote
> was a time dilation graphing (using punctuation characters) program for
> trips to nea
> Hi Brian,
>
> I think I have a counterexample.
> Run the script, that you can find here:
>
> http://svn.python.org/view/*checkout*/python/branches/release26-maint/Demo/turtle/tdemo_chaos.py?revision=73559&content-type=text%2Fplain
>
> (or below.) Runs with Python 2.6 or later.
> It certainly coul
<< trim >>
> Well, the curricula have been customized to fit what the calculator
> can do, with encouragement towards the more upscale models that do
> some graphing and CAS (fractor equations, solve integrals...). A lot
> of what passes for "math" in this day and age is just a glorified
> calcul
Brian Blais schrieb:
On Sep 27, 2009, at 19:38 , Charles Cossé wrote:
Hi, this has probably been discussed to death already, but maybe not:
The point at which fancy graphing calculators become "necessary" (ie
as in one's student career) is the point at which the calculator
should be abandon
2009/9/28 Brian Blais :
<< trim >>
> Just a month ago, a friend of mine who homeschools her children was asking
> me about graphing calculators. Apparently the math curriculum she uses has
> a number of graphic calculator exercises. My advice was to buy a nice
> solar-powered scientific calcula
Brian Blais wrote:
> On Sep 27, 2009, at 19:38 , Charles Cossé wrote:
>
> Her kids should do the
> exercises by hand, on graph paper instead. Anything that is hard enough
> for you to use a graphic calculator can be done much more easily with a
> computer.
Agreed,
> After giving her this advi
On Sep 27, 2009, at 19:38 , Charles Cossé wrote:
Hi, this has probably been discussed to death already, but maybe
not: The point at which fancy graphing calculators become
"necessary" (ie as in one's student career) is the point at which
the calculator should be abandoned and Python employe
2009/9/27 kirby urner :
This isn't the kind of critique most people have in mind when they
> start questioning the hegemony of the graphing calculator empire.
>
>
Definitely not, but what a great perspective, pun intended.
- Michel
2009/9/27 Charles Cossé :
> > Hi, this has probably been discus
2009/9/27 Charles Cossé :
> Hi, this has probably been discussed to death already, but maybe not: The
> point at which fancy graphing calculators become "necessary" (ie as in one's
> student career) is the point at which the calculator should be abandoned and
> Python employed. Just a thought ...
2009/9/27 Charles Cossé :
> Hi, this has probably been discussed to death already, but maybe not: The
> point at which fancy graphing calculators become "necessary" (ie as in one's
> student career) is the point at which the calculator should be abandoned and
> Python employed. Just a thought ...
Hi, this has probably been discussed to death already, but maybe not: The
point at which fancy graphing calculators become "necessary" (ie as in one's
student career) is the point at which the calculator should be abandoned and
Python employed. Just a thought ... delete at will !
-Charles
--
As
25 matches
Mail list logo
