Daniel Ajoy schrieb:
But the criteria of "relevant problems, easily solved with a quickie
program" is tough to meet.
...
And another point is that some problems cannot be solved using algebra or trig.
I believe this is one:
http://neoparaiso.com/logo/problema-triangulos.html
It as
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Edward Cherlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<< SNIP >>
> The occasion yesterday was the Program for the Future conference at
> the Tech Museum (San Jose CA), Adobe Systems, and Stanford, and the
> celebration of the 40th anniversary of Doug Engelbart's Mother of All
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 6:57 AM, David MacQuigg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Kirby,
>
> This is very well written appeal, but in this mailing list, you may be
> preaching to the choir. What I would like to see is a discussion of *why*
> there is not more teaching of programming in high school. I
On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:19:45 -0500, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> But the criteria of "relevant problems, easily solved with a quickie
>> program" is tough to meet.
Solving a Max Problem Using Logo
http://gsndev.org/archives/logo-l/1098/msg00085.html
http://gsndev.org/archives/logo-l/1098/msg0
2008/12/10 michel paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
<< SNIP >>
> There is a big contrast between doing math the traditional way, solving
> equations by manipulating symbols in some boolean assertion to isolate a
> variable, vs. thinking computationally - creating sets of functions to model
> concepts. I
>
> I would think any teacher of math or science would have no difficulty using
> Python and integrating it into their teaching. Don't teach it as a separate
> subject, but introduce each new statement as it is needed.
>
Right. That's the strategy I thought would be most practical working within
I agree that finding relevant problems that are easily solved with a
quickie program is hard to find. One idea I've been toying with at
Stratolab from our programming coures is having a programming game to
artificially create interesting quickie programs.
How about Robot Wars of the past, b
David MacQuigg wrote:
>We need lots of examples where programming is useful to non-programmers. I
>already mentioned the real estate agent
> needing to digest some data from the property appraisers office. For the
> shop teacher: How about a homeowner wanting
> to lay tiles, avoid wastage,
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>We need lots of examples where programming is useful to non-programmers. I
>already mentioned the real estate agent needing to digest some data fro
David MacQuigg wrote:
Here is another suggestion: How about a program to predict stock
prices? We'll need maybe 1000 traders, each responding to a dozen
random external events. That will gives us a simple random walk
around the mean. Now let's make it more interesting. Give each
trader a "
>We need lots of examples where programming is useful to non-programmers. I
>already mentioned the real estate agent needing to digest some data from the
>property appraisers office. For the shop teacher: How about a homeowner
>wanting to lay tiles, avoid wastage, and slivers that look bad al
At 02:37 PM 12/8/2008 -0500, Vern Ceder wrote:
>... here are the reasons I see that more
>schools don't offer programming:
>
>1) Lack of qualified staff. Sadly a graduate with a teaching certificate
>(as required by the state) usually doesn't have anything like the
>background to teach programming
I like "schoolish math", will plan to recycle that.
As for the rest of it, trademark Paul F. in being so verbose, will
leave it to other analysts to summarize it for me this time. Good
seein' ya Paul.
For those wishing to lurk on my "inner doings" (acting locally in
Portland), I refer you to thi
David MacQuigg wrote:
> What ever happened to the original enthusiasm with Computer Programming
> for Everyone? If everyone with a high school diploma knew how to write a
> simple program, not only would we be more productive, but we would
> understand the world better. Instead of loose talk and
Re outsourcing, here I am in the capital of open source (Portland, per
Christian Science Monitor that time -- San Jose uncomfortable with
that, stealing back OSCON -- OK, OK, their turn, we agree), and yet
when push comes to shove, there's a rather tiny geek culture.
I find myself advising Symmetr
At 06:52 PM 12/8/2008 -0800, Guido van Rossum wrote:
>On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 5:10 PM, David MacQuigg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> At 03:30 PM 12/8/2008 -0800, michel paul wrote:
>>
>>>I think part of the problem in the past has been the misunderstanding about
>>>tech jobs getting outsourced. I'v
Well, I'm a high school teacher, and today we started to learn about
programming in my 10th grade "Principles of Computer Technology" class.
I tell them that we do it because it's a good intellectual skill to
develop, it builds their problem solving and critical thinking
abilities, it's fun, a
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 5:10 PM, David MacQuigg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 03:30 PM 12/8/2008 -0800, michel paul wrote:
>
>>David:
What I would like to see is a discussion of *why* there is not more
teaching of programming in high school.
>>
>>I think part of the problem in the past ha
At 03:30 PM 12/8/2008 -0800, michel paul wrote:
>David:
>>>What I would like to see is a discussion of *why* there is not more teaching
>>>of programming in high school.
>
>I think part of the problem in the past has been the misunderstanding about
>tech jobs getting outsourced. I've heard peop
David:
> >What I would like to see is a discussion of *why* there is not more
> teaching of programming in high school.
Especially given that 'integrating technology into the curriculum' is given
such lip service.
Most people equate technology with tool use. They seldom equate it with
language
Hey, great analysis you guys!
Erratum: said livingroom.com but meant livingroomtheater.com , picks
up where McMenamins leaves off in some ways, in taking it further with
the adult content. I shot some Photostream on the way back from my
breakfast with Allegra (Bucky Fuller's daughter), basically
David MacQuigg wrote:
Kirby,
This is very well written appeal, but in this mailing list, you may
be preaching to the choir. What I would like to see is a discussion
of *why* there is not more teaching of programming in high school. I
can't seem to get an answer from the few high-school teacher
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 11:26 AM, David MacQuigg
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 08:22 AM 12/8/2008 -0800, kirby urner wrote:
>
>>I think you're spot on about the "advantage over the poor" thing, as our
>>stronger public schools have a parent base that will fund and support Linux
>>labs,
>
> I've
David,
Here's my small nugget of experience:
My son goes to a prep school in southern CA, and when we met with his
adviser at the end of 8th grade last spring to plan out his high school
curriculum, I was floored to learn that there were no computer science
classes offered at all anymore. Here's
At 08:22 AM 12/8/2008 -0800, kirby urner wrote:
>I think you're spot on about the "advantage over the poor" thing, as our
>stronger public schools have a parent base that will fund and support Linux
>labs,
I've also heard the argument that most kids will never be programmers ...
missing the po
I think you're spot on about the "advantage over the poor" thing, as our
stronger public schools have a parent base that will fund and support Linux
labs, whereas where my daughter goes, they can't afford enough chairs for
the cafeteria, everyone has to spill out into Burgerville and Wendy's for
so
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