Re: [Wikimedia Education] WikiProjects, Article Importance, and Article Quality: An Intimate Relationship (1/2)

[Wikimedia Among Scouts :Executive Director]

Thank you robert.

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 7:37 PM, Robert Connolly 
wrote:

> To be clear, the link Richard references does not say that Wikipedia is
> not reliable.  Here is the exact quote from the link Richard provided:
>
> "Content from a Wikipedia article is not considered reliable unless it is
> backed up by citing reliable sources
> .
> Confirm that these sources support the content, then use them directly."
>
> This consideration is true of any resource, whether Wikipedia, a website,
> a printed book, a journal article or whatever.  The issue is not Wikipedia
> but how folks do research.  Personally, I find Wikipedia's reliability has
> only increased with time.  Here is my argument on how Wikipedia is
> appropriately used as a scholarly research tool:
>
> http://wp.me/pJf2X-Aq
>
> and here:
>
> http://wp.me/pJf2X-OV
>
> I conclude that the problem is not whether one uses wikipedia in their
> research or not, but how they are actually conducting their research.  I
> agree that the Wikipedia pages are an excellent starting point for
> research.
>
> Robert Connolly
>
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 4:38 AM, Richard Nevell <
> richard.nev...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> Hello Shriheeran,
>>
>> I think if academics say Wikipedia can't be used as a source, we should
>> say that's absolutely correct. The English Wikipedia has a policy
>> 
>> which says that Wikipedia isn't considered a reliable source. Instead of
>> citing Wikipedia, people can use it as a starting point for research.
>>
>> Wikipedia is very open about where its information comes from, and even
>> includes warning when articles might not be high quality. I can't think of
>> another website which would include a warning to readers that one of its
>> pages might contain a point of view, or might need more fact checking.
>>
>> When you talk to academics about Wikipedia, is there anything in
>> particular you're asking them to do?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Richard Nevell
>>
>> On 16 February 2017 at 00:23, Wikimedia Among Scouts :Executive Director
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> Just I had a meeting with an it acadamic professionalist, the things got
>>> from Wikipedia are not accepted as valid. Because they say that enyone can
>>> edit wikipedia. That's the reason.But I said to that references are given
>>> to each points there and temples such as citation needed are put in
>>> WIKIPEDIA. What do you think about this? I am from srilanka.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 1:15 AM, Kleefeld, John 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Colleagues, here is my fifth blog post, the first of a two-part set.



 *WikiProjects, Article Importance, and Article Quality: An Intimate
 Relationship (1/2)* http://bit.ly/2lH9hjJ



 And here are the links to the previous four, in reverse chronological
 order:



 *Wikipedia’s Gender Bias – and What Your Students Can Do About It *
 http://bit.ly/2kOkSMC

 *What Does It Mean to Say That “Anyone Can Edit” Wikipedia? *
 http://bit.ly/2jqMV5y

 *How Students Are Learning Medicine and Collaborative Skills, And
 Transforming Wikipedia *http://bit.ly/2jt5fH7

 *The Wikipedia Manifesto *http://bit.ly/2jGlAc1



 Yours truly,



 John Kleefeld

 Associate Professor, College of Law

 2017 Teaching Fellow, Gwenna Moss Centre for Teaching Effectiveness

 University of Saskatchewan

 15 Campus Drive

 Saskatoon SK  S7N 5A6



 tel:  (+1) 306.966.1039 <(306)%20966-1039>

 email:john.kleef...@usask.ca

 skype:johnkleefeld

 twitter: @johnkleefeld

 web:   http://law.usask.ca/find-people/faculty/kleefeld-john.php

 mission: http://www.usask.ca/leadershipteam/documents/president/Missi
 onVisionValues.pdf





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>> movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the 

Re: [Wikimedia Education] WikiProjects, Article Importance, and Article Quality: An Intimate Relationship (1/2)

[Robert Connolly]

To be clear, the link Richard references does not say that Wikipedia is not
reliable.  Here is the exact quote from the link Richard provided:

"Content from a Wikipedia article is not considered reliable unless it is
backed up by citing reliable sources
.
Confirm that these sources support the content, then use them directly."

This consideration is true of any resource, whether Wikipedia, a website, a
printed book, a journal article or whatever.  The issue is not Wikipedia
but how folks do research.  Personally, I find Wikipedia's reliability has
only increased with time.  Here is my argument on how Wikipedia is
appropriately used as a scholarly research tool:

http://wp.me/pJf2X-Aq

and here:

http://wp.me/pJf2X-OV

I conclude that the problem is not whether one uses wikipedia in their
research or not, but how they are actually conducting their research.  I
agree that the Wikipedia pages are an excellent starting point for
research.

Robert Connolly

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 4:38 AM, Richard Nevell <
richard.nev...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

> Hello Shriheeran,
>
> I think if academics say Wikipedia can't be used as a source, we should
> say that's absolutely correct. The English Wikipedia has a policy
> 
> which says that Wikipedia isn't considered a reliable source. Instead of
> citing Wikipedia, people can use it as a starting point for research.
>
> Wikipedia is very open about where its information comes from, and even
> includes warning when articles might not be high quality. I can't think of
> another website which would include a warning to readers that one of its
> pages might contain a point of view, or might need more fact checking.
>
> When you talk to academics about Wikipedia, is there anything in
> particular you're asking them to do?
>
> Regards,
> Richard Nevell
>
> On 16 February 2017 at 00:23, Wikimedia Among Scouts :Executive Director <
> shrihee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Just I had a meeting with an it acadamic professionalist, the things got
>> from Wikipedia are not accepted as valid. Because they say that enyone can
>> edit wikipedia. That's the reason.But I said to that references are given
>> to each points there and temples such as citation needed are put in
>> WIKIPEDIA. What do you think about this? I am from srilanka.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 1:15 AM, Kleefeld, John 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Colleagues, here is my fifth blog post, the first of a two-part set.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *WikiProjects, Article Importance, and Article Quality: An Intimate
>>> Relationship (1/2)* http://bit.ly/2lH9hjJ
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And here are the links to the previous four, in reverse chronological
>>> order:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Wikipedia’s Gender Bias – and What Your Students Can Do About It *
>>> http://bit.ly/2kOkSMC
>>>
>>> *What Does It Mean to Say That “Anyone Can Edit” Wikipedia? *
>>> http://bit.ly/2jqMV5y
>>>
>>> *How Students Are Learning Medicine and Collaborative Skills, And
>>> Transforming Wikipedia *http://bit.ly/2jt5fH7
>>>
>>> *The Wikipedia Manifesto *http://bit.ly/2jGlAc1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yours truly,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> John Kleefeld
>>>
>>> Associate Professor, College of Law
>>>
>>> 2017 Teaching Fellow, Gwenna Moss Centre for Teaching Effectiveness
>>>
>>> University of Saskatchewan
>>>
>>> 15 Campus Drive
>>>
>>> Saskatoon SK  S7N 5A6
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> tel:  (+1) 306.966.1039 <(306)%20966-1039>
>>>
>>> email:john.kleef...@usask.ca
>>>
>>> skype:johnkleefeld
>>>
>>> twitter: @johnkleefeld
>>>
>>> web:   http://law.usask.ca/find-people/faculty/kleefeld-john.php
>>>
>>> mission: http://www.usask.ca/leadershipteam/documents/president/Missi
>>> onVisionValues.pdf
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
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>> Shriheeran Logeswaran.
>>
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> Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT.
> United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
> movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who
> operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
>
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Re: [Wikimedia Education] WikiProjects, Article Importance, and Article Quality: An Intimate Relationship (1/2)

[Wikimedia Among Scouts :Executive Director]

Thanks a lot for you Richrad, Your reply given me a refreshment. Hope I
will give your answers if anyone tell something wrong about wikipedia.

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 4:08 PM, Richard Nevell <
richard.nev...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

> Hello Shriheeran,
>
> I think if academics say Wikipedia can't be used as a source, we should
> say that's absolutely correct. The English Wikipedia has a policy
> 
> which says that Wikipedia isn't considered a reliable source. Instead of
> citing Wikipedia, people can use it as a starting point for research.
>
> Wikipedia is very open about where its information comes from, and even
> includes warning when articles might not be high quality. I can't think of
> another website which would include a warning to readers that one of its
> pages might contain a point of view, or might need more fact checking.
>
> When you talk to academics about Wikipedia, is there anything in
> particular you're asking them to do?
>
> Regards,
> Richard Nevell
>
> On 16 February 2017 at 00:23, Wikimedia Among Scouts :Executive Director <
> shrihee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Just I had a meeting with an it acadamic professionalist, the things got
>> from Wikipedia are not accepted as valid. Because they say that enyone can
>> edit wikipedia. That's the reason.But I said to that references are given
>> to each points there and temples such as citation needed are put in
>> WIKIPEDIA. What do you think about this? I am from srilanka.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 1:15 AM, Kleefeld, John 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Colleagues, here is my fifth blog post, the first of a two-part set.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *WikiProjects, Article Importance, and Article Quality: An Intimate
>>> Relationship (1/2)* http://bit.ly/2lH9hjJ
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And here are the links to the previous four, in reverse chronological
>>> order:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Wikipedia’s Gender Bias – and What Your Students Can Do About It *
>>> http://bit.ly/2kOkSMC
>>>
>>> *What Does It Mean to Say That “Anyone Can Edit” Wikipedia? *
>>> http://bit.ly/2jqMV5y
>>>
>>> *How Students Are Learning Medicine and Collaborative Skills, And
>>> Transforming Wikipedia *http://bit.ly/2jt5fH7
>>>
>>> *The Wikipedia Manifesto *http://bit.ly/2jGlAc1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yours truly,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> John Kleefeld
>>>
>>> Associate Professor, College of Law
>>>
>>> 2017 Teaching Fellow, Gwenna Moss Centre for Teaching Effectiveness
>>>
>>> University of Saskatchewan
>>>
>>> 15 Campus Drive
>>>
>>> Saskatoon SK  S7N 5A6
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> tel:  (+1) 306.966.1039 <(306)%20966-1039>
>>>
>>> email:john.kleef...@usask.ca
>>>
>>> skype:johnkleefeld
>>>
>>> twitter: @johnkleefeld
>>>
>>> web:   http://law.usask.ca/find-people/faculty/kleefeld-john.php
>>>
>>> mission: http://www.usask.ca/leadershipteam/documents/president/Missi
>>> onVisionValues.pdf
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ___
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>>> Education@lists.wikimedia.org
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>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best.
>> Shriheeran Logeswaran.
>>
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>>
>
>
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> Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT.
> United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
> movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who
> operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
>
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Re: [Wikimedia Education] WikiProjects, Article Importance, and Article Quality: An Intimate Relationship (1/2)

[Richard Nevell]

Hello Shriheeran,

I think if academics say Wikipedia can't be used as a source, we should say
that's absolutely correct. The English Wikipedia has a policy

which says that Wikipedia isn't considered a reliable source. Instead of
citing Wikipedia, people can use it as a starting point for research.

Wikipedia is very open about where its information comes from, and even
includes warning when articles might not be high quality. I can't think of
another website which would include a warning to readers that one of its
pages might contain a point of view, or might need more fact checking.

When you talk to academics about Wikipedia, is there anything in particular
you're asking them to do?

Regards,
Richard Nevell

On 16 February 2017 at 00:23, Wikimedia Among Scouts :Executive Director <
shrihee...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Just I had a meeting with an it acadamic professionalist, the things got
> from Wikipedia are not accepted as valid. Because they say that enyone can
> edit wikipedia. That's the reason.But I said to that references are given
> to each points there and temples such as citation needed are put in
> WIKIPEDIA. What do you think about this? I am from srilanka.
>
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 1:15 AM, Kleefeld, John 
> wrote:
>
>> Colleagues, here is my fifth blog post, the first of a two-part set.
>>
>>
>>
>> *WikiProjects, Article Importance, and Article Quality: An Intimate
>> Relationship (1/2)* http://bit.ly/2lH9hjJ
>>
>>
>>
>> And here are the links to the previous four, in reverse chronological
>> order:
>>
>>
>>
>> *Wikipedia’s Gender Bias – and What Your Students Can Do About It *
>> http://bit.ly/2kOkSMC
>>
>> *What Does It Mean to Say That “Anyone Can Edit” Wikipedia? *
>> http://bit.ly/2jqMV5y
>>
>> *How Students Are Learning Medicine and Collaborative Skills, And
>> Transforming Wikipedia *http://bit.ly/2jt5fH7
>>
>> *The Wikipedia Manifesto *http://bit.ly/2jGlAc1
>>
>>
>>
>> Yours truly,
>>
>>
>>
>> John Kleefeld
>>
>> Associate Professor, College of Law
>>
>> 2017 Teaching Fellow, Gwenna Moss Centre for Teaching Effectiveness
>>
>> University of Saskatchewan
>>
>> 15 Campus Drive
>>
>> Saskatoon SK  S7N 5A6
>>
>>
>>
>> tel:  (+1) 306.966.1039 <(306)%20966-1039>
>>
>> email:john.kleef...@usask.ca
>>
>> skype:johnkleefeld
>>
>> twitter: @johnkleefeld
>>
>> web:   http://law.usask.ca/find-people/faculty/kleefeld-john.php
>>
>> mission: http://www.usask.ca/leadershipteam/documents/president/
>> MissionVisionValues.pdf
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
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>
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United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
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Re: [Wikimedia Education] WikiProjects, Article Importance, and Article Quality: An Intimate Relationship (1/2)

[Mats Lintrup]

Wikipedia has a bad rumour at the Universities (at least in Sweden). But if we 
keep on working with that students, as a part of their education, write and 
edit articles in Wikipedia in a scientific way, I think we can change this.


- - -

MATS LINTRUP, Senior Lecturer
Blekinge Institute of Technology
Sweden

mailto:mats.lint...@bth.se



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Just I had a meeting with an it acadamic professionalist, the things got from 
Wikipedia are not accepted as valid. Because they say that enyone can edit 
wikipedia. That's the reason.But I said to that references are given to each 
points there and temples such as citation needed are put in WIKIPEDIA. What do 
you think about this? I am from srilanka.

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 1:15 AM, Kleefeld, John 
mailto:john.kleef...@usask.ca>> wrote:
Colleagues, here is my fifth blog post, the first of a two-part set.

WikiProjects, Article Importance, and Article Quality: An Intimate Relationship 
(1/2) http://bit.ly/2lH9hjJ

And here are the links to the previous four, in reverse chronological order:

Wikipedia’s Gender Bias – and What Your Students Can Do About It 
http://bit.ly/2kOkSMC
What Does It Mean to Say That “Anyone Can Edit” Wikipedia? http://bit.ly/2jqMV5y
How Students Are Learning Medicine and Collaborative Skills, And Transforming 
Wikipedia http://bit.ly/2jt5fH7
The Wikipedia Manifesto http://bit.ly/2jGlAc1

Yours truly,

John Kleefeld
Associate Professor, College of Law
2017 Teaching Fellow, Gwenna Moss Centre for Teaching Effectiveness
University of Saskatchewan
15 Campus Drive
Saskatoon SK  S7N 5A6

tel:  (+1) 306.966.1039
email:john.kleef...@usask.ca<mailto:john.kleef...@usask.ca>
skype:johnkleefeld
twitter: @johnkleefeld
web:   http://law.usask.ca/find-people/faculty/kleefeld-john.php
mission: 
http://www.usask.ca/leadershipteam/documents/president/MissionVisionValues.pdf



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Re: [Wikimedia Education] WikiProjects, Article Importance, and Article Quality: An Intimate Relationship (1/2)

[Wikimedia Among Scouts :Executive Director]

Just I had a meeting with an it acadamic professionalist, the things got
from Wikipedia are not accepted as valid. Because they say that enyone can
edit wikipedia. That's the reason.But I said to that references are given
to each points there and temples such as citation needed are put in
WIKIPEDIA. What do you think about this? I am from srilanka.

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 1:15 AM, Kleefeld, John 
wrote:

> Colleagues, here is my fifth blog post, the first of a two-part set.
>
>
>
> *WikiProjects, Article Importance, and Article Quality: An Intimate
> Relationship (1/2)* http://bit.ly/2lH9hjJ
>
>
>
> And here are the links to the previous four, in reverse chronological
> order:
>
>
>
> *Wikipedia’s Gender Bias – and What Your Students Can Do About It *
> http://bit.ly/2kOkSMC
>
> *What Does It Mean to Say That “Anyone Can Edit” Wikipedia? *
> http://bit.ly/2jqMV5y
>
> *How Students Are Learning Medicine and Collaborative Skills, And
> Transforming Wikipedia *http://bit.ly/2jt5fH7
>
> *The Wikipedia Manifesto *http://bit.ly/2jGlAc1
>
>
>
> Yours truly,
>
>
>
> John Kleefeld
>
> Associate Professor, College of Law
>
> 2017 Teaching Fellow, Gwenna Moss Centre for Teaching Effectiveness
>
> University of Saskatchewan
>
> 15 Campus Drive
>
> Saskatoon SK  S7N 5A6
>
>
>
> tel:  (+1) 306.966.1039 <(306)%20966-1039>
>
> email:john.kleef...@usask.ca
>
> skype:johnkleefeld
>
> twitter: @johnkleefeld
>
> web:   http://law.usask.ca/find-people/faculty/kleefeld-john.php
>
> mission: http://www.usask.ca/leadershipteam/documents/
> president/MissionVisionValues.pdf
>
>
>
>
>
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