Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga use license (commercial use?) Ekiga/Diamondcard software questions
Le mercredi 16 octobre 2013 à 00:34 -0400, zanag...@aol.com a écrit : Hello folks. I just joined this forum in hopes that you all would be so kind as to help me answer a couple questions. First, in case this is helpful information in answering my questions: I am looking to use my home PC to: (1) make outgoing phone calls to others with land lines and mobile phones; and to: (2) receive incoming phone calls from others with land lines and mobile phones. My first question: I saw the GNU license for Ekiga at: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html (I apologize if the answer to my next question is there. I wasn't able to find it.) Can you please tell me if it is permissible under the Ekiga use license to use the Ekiga software Ekiga soft phone to make/receive phone calls with my home PC (as stated above) for the purposes of seeking/soliciting and conducting business (for a self-employed independent freelance home-based business)? Yes, you can. In fact this licence grant you the right to use this software for any purpose. Here is the license : https://git.gnome.org/browse/ekiga/tree/COPYING?id=EKIGA_4_0_1 The interesting part for you is : Activities other than copying, distribution and modification are not covered by this License; they are outside its scope. The act of running the Program is not restricted, and the output from the Program is covered only if its contents constitute a work based on the Program (independent of having been made by running the Program). Whether that is true depends on what the Program does. And my next questions: I hope you don't mind my asking -- If Diamondcard has its own soft phone, then do I still require the Ekiga software Ekiga soft phone? Any software using the SIP protocol will do, no matter if endorsed by diamondcard.us. But please consider you are then using 2 thing : the ekiga software and a service provided by diamondcard. You should check if diamondcard is suitable for your activity. Ekiga and diamondcard are not directly related. If not, what would be the benefits of using the Ekiga software Ekiga soft phone over using the Diamondcard software Diamondcard soft phone? (assuming that what I would use it for was to be limited to what I stated above towards the beginning of this e-mail) It's up to you to do the comparison and find what better suits you. We are committed to standards. Best regards, Yannick Thanks much! Glen from Illinois, USA ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
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Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga use license (commercial use?) Ekiga/Diamondcard software questions
Dear Yannick, Thank you very much for your kind reply to my questions. Would you or someone please help me with my next questions below?: Okay, so I see that this license says: Activities other than copying, distribution and modification are not covered by this License; they are outside its scope. The act of running the Program is not restricted, and the output from the Program is covered only if its contents constitute a work based on the Program (independent of having been made by running the Program). Whether that is true depends on what the Program does. Source: https://git.gnome.org/browse/ekiga/tree/COPYING?id=EKIGA_4_0_1 So, then, where the license says The act of running the Program is not restricted is where it grants the rights for anyone to use the software to make receive phone calls for commercial purposes? (in order to make a profit) Do I have that correct? (To be clear, in my above question, I'm not referring to making money off of the actual software itself, in any way.) I'm not sure what is meant by output from the Program in the above license quote. Would someone be able to interpret and briefly summarize what that means? (I want to understand whether or not that part applies to me.) Thanks much! Glen from Illinois, USA ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga use license (commercial use?) Ekiga/Diamondcard software questions
On 10/16/2013 01:55 PM, zanag...@aol.com wrote: So, then, where the license says The act of running the Program is not restricted is where it grants the rights for anyone to use the software to make receive phone calls for commercial purposes? (in order to make a profit) Do I have that correct? (To be clear, in my above question, I'm not referring to making money off of the actual software itself, in any way.) I'm not sure what is meant by output from the Program in the abovelicense quote. Would someone be able to interpret and briefly summarize what that means? (I want to understand whether or not that part applies to me.) Output from the program refers to meta-programs. :-) I.e. programs like compilers, code generators, etc. - software that writes software. As a (not real) example, suppose Ekiga had a button labelled Copy Me!, which created a nice installer for ekiga to send to someone else. (That is a trivial - in theory - example of software that writes software.) That copy would be subject to GPL. Note that there is *no* restriction on selling, or making a profit by distributing the program. You simply *must* provide the source code (free or at nominal charge) when doing so. If you were to get ekiga all configured, with a really easy installer, then you could conceivably sell it - provided you include, or make easily available, the source for ekiga *and* any modifications to ekiga. Of course, a competitor can use the source to create a competing product - so you have to have some other factor that would make customers want to buy *yours*. Maybe your support or warranty - as suggested in the licence itself. Perhaps you have a book or manual to go with it that details your sales techniques. The GPL is *not* against profit. It is against using restricted source code as a lock-in. GPL software can be, and is part of profitable businesses. They just need other sorts of lock-in. ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga use license (commercial use?) Ekiga/Diamondcard software questions
Le mercredi 16 octobre 2013 à 14:13 -0400, Stuart Gathman a écrit : On 10/16/2013 01:55 PM, zanag...@aol.com wrote: So, then, where the license says The act of running the Program is not restricted is where it grants the rights for anyone to use the software to make receive phone calls for commercial purposes? (in order to make a profit) Do I have that correct? Yes. This is generally referred as the freedom 0 by Richard Stallman, the creator of this license. This page explain the philosophy of the GPL in common words: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html The freedom to run the program, for any purpose (freedom 0). ../.. “Free software” does not mean “noncommercial”. A free program must be available for commercial use, commercial development, and commercial distribution. Side note : people in general start counting from 1, but in the computer field people have the habit to start from 0. (To be clear, in my above question, I'm not referring to making money off of the actual software itself, in any way.) You also can make money with Ekiga itself, but in this case you need to comply to some rules explained in the GPL. The purpose of those rules is to protect the freedom of all users of Ekiga, including their freedom to use it for commercial purpose. The whole purpose of the GPL is to prevent anyone to mess with what you're doing with Ekiga as a user, your activity being commercial or not. That's the reason why the GPL do not talk much about the usage of the software. Simply put, the more a license speaks about the usage of the software, the more you are restricted as a user. I'm not sure what is meant by output from the Program in the above license quote. Would someone be able to interpret and briefly summarize what that means? (I want to understand whether or not that part applies to me.) Output from the program refers to meta-programs. :-) I.e. programs like compilers, code generators, etc. - software that writes software. As a (not real) example, suppose Ekiga had a button labelled Copy Me!, which created a nice installer for ekiga to send to someone else. (That is a trivial - in theory - example of software that writes software.) That copy would be subject to GPL. Note that there is *no* restriction on selling, or making a profit by distributing the program. You simply *must* provide the source code (free or at nominal charge) when doing so. If you were to get ekiga all configured, with a really easy installer, then you could conceivably sell it - provided you include, or make easily available, the source for ekiga *and* any modifications to ekiga. Of course, a competitor can use the source to create a competing product - so you have to have some other factor that would make customers want to buy *yours*. Maybe your support or warranty - as suggested in the licence itself. Perhaps you have a book or manual to go with it that details your sales techniques. The GPL is *not* against profit. It is against using restricted source code as a lock-in. GPL software can be, and is part of profitable businesses. They just need other sorts of lock-in. ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
