Re: [Elecraft] Gurus, Giving Up & Group Therapy

Am 10.06.21 um 19:24 schrieb Joseph Shuman via Elecraft: Humor on this Board is sometimes misunderstood. Oh well… That would really be a BIG issue, I hope this is not really true! My 3 rules: 1. If my $100.00 built from scratch and spare parts radio successfully communicates with your

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is your call? I wonder if we've worked?73,Gary K9GS Original message From: Bill Johnson Date: 6/9/21 11:32 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Al Lorona < alor...@sbcglobal.net>, Julia Tuttle Cc: Elecraft Reflector < elecraft@mailman.qth.net> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Gurus Here,

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KX3 protects itself from overloading signals by automatically switching preamp out and switching ATT on. If it happens  to you radio then you probably have overloaded RX issue. I am in the same situation here with KX3 and a neighbor only 1000 meters away. KX3 is pretty weak as far as BDR is

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I disagree. The first rules of using test equipment are to calibrate it and RTFM, then maybe you can trust it. 73, Alan. G4GNX -- Original Message -- From: "Dean L" To: "Wes Stewart" ; "Elecraft Mail List" Sent: 10/06/2021 20:36:41 Subject:

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YES! Mutual friends and neighbors Garry, NI6T, and Dave, W6NL, are neighbors, very smart engineers, serious contesters, and live a few miles apart. W6NL is a retired EE prof, ran a major company, has a super contesting station on a mountaintop, where N5KO regularly wins CW Sprints. Garry

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Yes, precisely! This CW signal was so normal on 15 meters that I tried replying to it. Then I realized whose signal it was, and checked 40m, and there was the REAL signal. That's why I said it was splattering all over. The audio was slathered all over 40m for half the allocation, up into the

Re: [Elecraft] Gurus, Giving Up & Group Therapy

On 6/10/2021 10:24 AM, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote: Everybody has an opinion and all of them are correct, but mine is more correct for me than yours. Nope. The SCIENCE of almost everything about radio is long established. Some things we, as a society, are still learning about, like

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*Thread Closed* Folks - let's close this thread now as its -waaay- past the single topic posting limit for the list. I apologize for not stepping in earlier. I've been off the list for several days running the business etc :-) 73, Eric List moderator etc. *elecraft.com *

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On 6/10/2021 7:17 AM, j...@kk9a.com wrote: Contest stations operate on multiple bands from the same property without issue. Harmonics should only be heard on the harmonic frequency, not splatter across the entire band. You should not have a problem with a station over a mile away. What is your

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looked at the videos and said, "Okay, where are the strengths?" the fact that it's $100 Not looking to wage war just stating facts The first rules of using test equipment you got to trust it... 73 all Dean On Thu, Jun 10, 2021, 15:26 Wes wrote: > Dean's making the case I thought to make.

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This discussion reminds me quite a few years back I was running a 756Pro and PW-1. Steve K6UM, a neighbor at the time, contacted me and said I had bad key clicks. I was glad he did. We got on the phone, made adjustments and resolved it. Prior to that I didn’t know the default CW rise time was

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Dean's making the case I thought to make.  Couldn't agree more. Dave said: "Here is an interesting video showing both the strengths, and weaknesses of the tinySA. I looked at the videos and said, "Okay, where are the strengths?" I spent a lot of years sitting in front of spectrum analyzers.

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Hi Julia, Now I am confused... I quoted the text I was responding to, then referenced that quote... Your reply included the quoted text and my reference to it. In any case I was replying to Gwen's response at 6:03 PM, quoted here, in my initial response, and in your response... Here it

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craft-boun...@mailman.qth.net> mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net>> On Behalf Of Dave > Sent: Wednesday, June 9, 2021 23:01 > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft@mailman.qth.net> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Gurus > > Actually for th

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I'm confused, I don't see any quoted text, unless you meant just "dirty transmitter". Whose post were you responding to? On Thu, Jun 10, 2021, 14:26 Dave wrote: > My response was regarding the post talking about operators, see quoted > text quote in my response. > > 73, and thanks, > Dave

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My response was regarding the post talking about operators, see quoted text quote in my response. 73, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) https://www.nk7z.net ARRL Volunteer Examiner ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources On 6/9/21 6:03 PM, Gwen Patton wrote:

Re: [Elecraft] Gurus, Giving Up & Group Therapy

Sadly, humor is really easy to miss on the Internet, mostly due to Poe's law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law). 1. Yes! 2. Yes! 3. Yes! My *only* nit is that it can't charge batteries without removing them. And I wanna second the Elmer bit. Helping each other get up and running, kindly

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- N4ST > > > > -Original Message- > > From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net > On Behalf Of Dave > > Sent: Wednesday, June 9, 2021 23:01 > > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Gurus > > > > Actually for this use they are.

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On 6/10/21 at 1:29 PM, rmcg...@benlomand.net (Bob McGraw) wrote: > The acronym for that is RTFM. Which a tech writer I worked with insisted expanded to Read The Fine Manual. 73 Bill AE6JV --- Bill Frantz| When all else

[Elecraft] Gurus

Bob, K4TAX On 6/10/2021 11:22 AM, elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net wrote: Message: 1 Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2021 04:22:25 + From: Bill Johnson To: Dave,"elecraft@mailman.qth.net" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Gurus Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=

[Elecraft] Gurus, Giving Up & Group Therapy

Humor on this Board is sometimes misunderstood. Oh well… My 3 rules: 1. If my $100.00 built from scratch and spare parts radio successfully communicates with your state of the art shack, my hobby has succeeded. 2. Everybody has an opinion and all of them are correct, but mine is more

[Elecraft] Gurus

"Harmonics should only be heard on the harmonic frequency, not splatter across the entire band." That depends on whether you are talking about RF frequency harmonics or harmonics of the modulating audio frequency. There is a plague of stations producing FT8 audio harmonics. The problem is

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That's simply a ridiculous argument.  No matter the rig, the ham has the responsibility not to put trash out on the airwaves.  And any ham who doesn't have a clue whether or not he is putting out trash, or ignores the feedback from other operators who tell him he is, or knowingly buys a rig

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It wasn't about the operator, it was about the hardware. I talked to the ham involved, and he's a nice enough bloke. I have no beef with him. My antennas are, unfortunately, not designed with a useful null. I have an end feed W3EDP style that works very well, and a Comet CHA-250B vertical.

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: [Elecraft] Gurus Actually for this use they are... Someone did a compare of the tinySA to an HP, and it was within a few dB as long as it was overdriven. We are looking for splatter or harmonics, not doing a proof of performance. 73, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) https://www.nk7z.net ARRL Volunteer

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Contest stations operate on multiple bands from the same property without issue. Harmonics should only be heard on the harmonic frequency, not splatter across the entire band. You should not have a problem with a station over a mile away. What is your antenna and how it is fed? John KK9A

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-boun...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Wednesday, June 9, 2021 23:01 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Gurus Actually for this use they are... Someone did a compare of the tinySA to an HP, and it was within a few dB as long as it was overdriven. We are looking

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Should be easy to gauge... How "clean" (or otherwise) is his signal on your RX, with no antenna connected, and all the RX attenuation switched in. Perhaps also fit a well screened dummy load to the rig's antenna port(s) Also disconnecting just about everything else except the power (and put

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PM To: Buddy Brannan Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Gurus Oh, I know, it was a deliberate choice -- my Elmer (from, jeez, 20 years ago) K1AJ said he picked his for the sound, so I did too. I do occasionally get out on CW with it though! On Thu, Jun 10, 2021, 00:35 Buddy Brannan

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;> I agree Julie,Just curious, what is your call? I wonder if we've > >> worked?73,Gary K9GS > >> Original message From: Bill Johnson > >> Date: 6/9/21 11:32 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Al Lorona < > alor...@sbcglobal.net>, > >> Julia Tut

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ous, what is your call? I wonder if we've >> worked?73,Gary K9GS >> Original message From: Bill Johnson >> Date: 6/9/21 11:32 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Al Lorona , >> Julia Tuttle Cc: Elecraft Reflector < >> elecraft@mailman.qth.net> Subject

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Checked my log...we have not worked:)73,Gary K9GS Original message From: Julia Tuttle Date: 6/10/21 12:00 AM (GMT-05:00) To: Gary K9GS Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Gurus It's KV1V, but probably not -- I've mostly been working FT8 from my (noisy, urban

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on behalf of Al Lorona Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 8:57:08 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] Gurus When this subject appeared last week I had composed a reply but then slept on it and canceled it the next morning, as I probably do 80% of the time. In this my second attempt, let me

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: [Elecraft] Gurus I must respectfully disagree sir... The ordinary ham should be able to tell when his/her rig is out of spec. The ordinary ham should be able to operate his/her rig correctly. That is just no longer the case. There are a lot of folks out there that don't even know how a repeater

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craft@mailman.qth.net> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Gurus Here, here, > Julie!BillK9YEQHave a great day!BillFrom: > elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net on > behalf of Julia Tuttle Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 > 9:36:00 PMTo: Al Lorona Cc: Elecraft Reflector <

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I agree Julie,Just curious, what is your call?  I wonder if we've worked?73,Gary K9GS Original message From: Bill Johnson Date: 6/9/21 11:32 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Al Lorona , Julia Tuttle Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Gurus Here, here, Julie!BillK9YEQHave

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Here, here, Julie! Bill K9YEQ Have a great day! Bill From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net on behalf of Julia Tuttle Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 9:36:00 PM To: Al Lorona Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Gurus I'm gonna second "above all,

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On 6/9/2021 8:00 PM, Dave wrote: Actually for this use they are...  Someone did a compare of the tinySA to an HP, and it was within a few dB as long as it was overdriven.  We are looking for splatter or harmonics, not doing a proof of performance. A big part of it is knowing what you're

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Actually for this use they are... Someone did a compare of the tinySA to an HP, and it was within a few dB as long as it was overdriven. We are looking for splatter or harmonics, not doing a proof of performance. 73, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) https://www.nk7z.net ARRL Volunteer Examiner ARRL

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On 6/9/2021 5:51 PM, Dave wrote: There are dirty transmitters all over, and they meet FCC specs...  How can that be you might ask yourself? FCC Rules include numeric limits for harmonics. The Rules include a provision that a transmitted signal shall occupy no more bandwidth then needed for

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I'm not sure those toys are up to the task. On 6/9/2021 5:30 PM, Dave wrote: Buy an attenuator, and a tinySA, or get an SDRPlay, and run the Spectrum Analyzer software.  Take a few SA shots, that will tell you if it is him, or you. 73, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) https://www.nk7z.net ARRL

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Not to mention the FCC rules (remember those? We had them on the test…) say that we should use the minimum amount of power necessary. Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Email: bu...@brannan.name Mobile: (814) 431-0962 > On Jun 9, 2021, at 8:46 PM, Julia Tuttle wrote: > > Nobody was blaming

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I must respectfully disagree sir... The ordinary ham should be able to tell when his/her rig is out of spec. The ordinary ham should be able to operate his/her rig correctly. That is just no longer the case. There are a lot of folks out there that don't even know how a repeater works at the

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Nobody was blaming the operator. Gwen was asking whose *radio* was to blame. And "hey, your radio seems to be putting out some pretty strong interference on the harmonics, can you fix that?" isn't a personal attack. The answer might be "no, I have no idea how or why it is", though. But,

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Buy an attenuator, and a tinySA, or get an SDRPlay, and run the Spectrum Analyzer software. Take a few SA shots, that will tell you if it is him, or you. 73, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) https://www.nk7z.net ARRL Volunteer Examiner ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division,

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Anyone condemning other hams for using "dirty transmitters"  is simply out of line. The ordinary ham is NOT an Electrical Engineer and he buys his rig in good faith, believing it passed FCC and other engineering standards.   He uses it in good faith, assuming it is OK and not causing

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I have one of those legal-limit hams about 2.5 km from my house. Seems a nice enough guy, except that he uses 1.5kw for EVERYTHING. When he gets on 40m, I hear him on 2 other bands via harmonics. He splatters all over 40 so there's no reason for me to even have my rig turned on when he starts

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Exactly right, Vic. A dirty rig, whether generating clicks or phase noise, is putting his trash on YOUR frequency. You are screwed by his choice of a lousy radio. And he doesn't care. I've got a neighbor like that. 73, Jim K9YC On 6/9/2021 12:45 AM, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote: I live in a

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I live in a place where there is a ham with a legal limit rig and a big beam less than 1 km. away. Antennas are line of sight. His signal renders about 10-20 kHz of the (CW) band unusable, with lesser effects extending out farther. He does not have clicks; it is phase noise (or something

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I'm gonna second "above all, have fun"! If it brings you joy to have the highest performing rig you can, cool, and I hope it serves you well. But if a different aspect of a radio, or even one you can't name, brings you joy, that's also cool, and I'm happy it makes you happy! My KX3 isn't at the

[Elecraft] Gurus

When this subject appeared last week I had composed a reply but then slept on it and canceled it the next morning, as I probably do 80% of the time. In this my second attempt, let me say that I've always been amazed at the power wielded by Rob Sherwood. Thousands of hams hang on his latest