Re: [Elecraft] K3 Rx IMD

2010-11-25 Thread Ramiro Aceves
Hi I have tried to improve my IMD test setup. It is far from perfect, but I have got rid of the broadcast station by bulding quick and dirty Xtal 4 MHz oscillator. It is built using a BC547 NPN bipolar transistor. http://ea1abz.ure.es/XTAL.jpg This is the beaufitul 4 MHz signal as received

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Rx IMD

2010-11-25 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy
Ramiro, Some very good information about Combiners is published on Jack Smith's website (Clifton Laboratories), also how to perform IMD tests. The reason for using a lowpass filter between each generator and the combiner is to prevent the second harmonic of generator A, for example, getting

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Rx IMD

2010-11-25 Thread Ramiro Aceves
Thanks Geoffrey for the interesting information about IMD measuring. I see that it is a difficult task, it implies using carefully made equipment and care. Everything is out of my possibilities at the moment. I have made these easy experiments just trying to have an explanation of what

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Rx IMD

2010-11-25 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
Ramiro, Anyway, since I changed AGC-F to AGC-S or even better AGC-off, I have no longer received duplicated traces on the screen. If I change to AGC-F I get consistent duplicated traces. I do not certainly know if the spurs are generated out or inside the K3, I tend to think that the

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Rx IMD

2010-11-24 Thread Ramiro Aceves
Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy escribió: Hi Ramiro, Unfortunately I do not have a K3 to test because my receivers are homebrewed. That is a very interesting thing. I have also homebrewed receivers. They are far from perfect but I love them, hi. I still believe that the IMD is generated by

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Rx IMD

2010-11-24 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy
Sorry for being slow to reply. Oh yes, a coil wound on a core made from Ferrite or Powdered Iron will be a source of IMD products, the culprit being the core. The level of the IMD products generated by a core depends on a number of factors, which we could discuss Off List if you wish. While I

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Rx IMD

2010-11-24 Thread David Cutter
Please stay on the list, guys, this is interesting stuff that I'm sure many would like to hear more of. David G3UNA Sorry for being slow to reply. Oh yes, a coil wound on a core made from Ferrite or Powdered Iron will be a source of IMD products, the culprit being the core. The level of the

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Rx IMD

2010-11-24 Thread Ramiro Aceves
Hello all As David suggested we continue the discussion on the list. I have done some new poor man tests, using a local AM carrier on Medium Wave at 917 KHz. For generating the other tone, I am using the same home made DDS generator as before. At this lower frequencies the signal generated by

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Rx IMD

2010-11-24 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
You do know that you cannot do valid IMD sweep measurements with AGC on? First thing I have to do for any measurements is turn off the AGC and set fixed levels. Particularly very fast config of fast AGC won't work. It won't be valid for absolute measurements, but the bandwidth needs to be at

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Rx IMD

2010-11-24 Thread Ramiro Aceves
Thanks Guy for the explanations about IMD measurements. I need a signal generator to do better tests and get rid of the need of receiving a broadcast carrier. I was thinking in building a simple Xtal oscillator and some attenuators. 73, Ramiro. EA4NZ Guy Olinger K2AV escribió: You do know

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Rx IMD

2010-11-23 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy
Hi Ramiro, Unfortunately I do not have a K3 to test because my receivers are homebrewed. I still believe that the IMD is generated by something outside of the radios, one reason being that your results from the K3 and the FT-897 are not very different. The differences between the AGC-S, AGC-F