Re: [Elecraft] K3 S-meter reading and coax input or antenna voltage ?

2019-01-23 Thread Wes
At the antenna spigot. On 1/23/2019 10:00 AM, Phil Hystad via Elecraft wrote: If I had an S-meter reading, S9 for example, on my K3, what could I infer about the voltage level of that signal at the Coax input to my K3? A table I found on the Internet for singals below 30 MHz says that an S-9 m

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S-meter reading and coax input or antenna voltage ?

2019-01-23 Thread Lyle Johnson
Phil, With the original K3, S Meter "ABS" mode the S meter is referenced to the signal level at the antenna jack.  S9 = -73 dBm = 50 uV into 50 ohms. In the other S Meter mode, the reading varies with ATT and PRE settings, as well as signal level. 73, Lyle KK7P On 1/23/19 10:00 AM, Phil H

[Elecraft] K3 S-meter reading and coax input or antenna voltage ?

2019-01-23 Thread Phil Hystad via Elecraft
If I had an S-meter reading, S9 for example, on my K3, what could I infer about the voltage level of that signal at the Coax input to my K3? A table I found on the Internet for singals below 30 MHz says that an S-9 meter reading is a signal of 50-microvolts but where in the system is that regis

[Elecraft] [K3] S-meter linearity

2017-12-05 Thread Al Lorona
I ran through an RF Gain calibration with the K3 Utility-- as I seem to do every three or four years for no good reason-- and then I checked the linearity of the S-meter. I've calibrated my S-meter for 1 S-unit = 5 dB because that way each tic mark represents 5 dB both above and below S9, making

Re: [Elecraft] K3 - S-meter zero

2015-09-28 Thread KD7PY
1st thing is to set the RF gain to max, check in: Config SMTR OF 024 SMTR SC 014 SMTR MD NOR when pre amp or attn is used it will effect the S meter, if you don't want it to change set to ABS Ed KD7PY ex K7WIA -- View this

[Elecraft] K3 - S-meter zero

2015-09-28 Thread Fred Jensen
For the first time in years, I have no antenna connected to my K3 in our new digs, and the S-Meter sits at S3. What's going on and how do I get it to zero with no input? I'd research this in the manual and Fred's book, if I knew where they were, we're still finding stuff in boxes that haven't

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S-meter question

2014-04-05 Thread Arlen Fletcher
Ah!!! That makes sense. Thank you Matt, and all those that responded. I appreciate your attempts to educate me. :-) 73 Arlen AA7F On Apr 5, 2014, at 7:38 AM, Matt Zilmer wrote: > As you back off the RF Gain (CCW), the minimum signal that can be > copied and that registers on the S Meter is a

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S-meter question

2014-04-05 Thread Matt Zilmer
As you back off the RF Gain (CCW), the minimum signal that can be copied and that registers on the S Meter is a higher value. With the RF Gain set fully CW (greatest gain), you're copying the weakest signal the rig is capable of. These differences are shown by the S Meter. You should run RF Gai

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S-meter question

2014-04-05 Thread Slava Baytalskiy
Yeah, this is normal behavior. Same thing happens on my 857D and all other's radios (i hear). You didn't do anything wrong. Slava, W2RMS On Apr 5, 2014, at 8:22 AM, drewko wrote: > This is typical of HF receivers from years past-- meter indicates > increasing AGC as you reduce the RF gain; only

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S-meter question

2014-04-05 Thread drewko
This is typical of HF receivers from years past-- meter indicates increasing AGC as you reduce the RF gain; only stronger signals will flicker above the meter's reduced sensitivity indication. Supposedly this could be changed in a SDR radio. Some have requested that the meter not respond in this t

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S-meter question

2014-04-05 Thread Milt -- N5IA
Exactly the way it should be, Arlen. You do NOT have a problem. Congrats, de Milt, N5IA -Original Message- From: Arlen Fletcher Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 9:24 PM To: Elecraft Mailing List Subject: [Elecraft] K3 S-meter question I’ve just completed building my K3/10 (S/N 8115

[Elecraft] K3 S-meter question

2014-04-04 Thread Arlen Fletcher
I’ve just completed building my K3/10 (S/N 8115)!!! The PA3 and sub-receiver are sitting here but not built/installed yet. Everything seems to work fine - completed the TX gain calibration successfully, and the filter setup too, of course. However, I’m puzzled by the how the S-meter is behaving.

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S-meter Reading with ATT on and PRE off

2013-04-27 Thread Don Wilhelm
Jay, Normally, the preamp and attenuator will change the S-meter reading. If you do not want that to happen, go into the menu and change to SMTR ABS. I suggest (contrary to the manual suggestion) that you calibrate the S-meter with the preamp and attenuator both off before setting SMTR ABS,

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S-meter Reading with ATT on and PRE off

2013-04-27 Thread k5oai
check out SMTR MD in the manual > (Advanced) S-meter mode: When set to NOR, preamp/attenuator on/off will > affect the S-meter. (The default values of SMTR OF and SMTR SC apply to > NOR.) If set to ABS, the S-meter reading will stay fairly constant with > different > preamp/attenuator settings, bu

[Elecraft] K3 S-meter Reading with ATT on and PRE off

2013-04-27 Thread Jay Krishna
I wanted to ask about the K3 S-meter readings I noticed: 1. S7 with ATT off and PRE on2. S5 with ATT off and PRE off3. S3 with ATT on and PRE off These were for a CW signal on 20M; I read that turning the attenuator on and preamp off provides a better signal by lowering the noise level in the IF

Re: [Elecraft] K3-S Meter

2013-03-06 Thread Don Wilhelm
Toby, Different hardware, not dependent on the AGC for S-meter indications. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/6/2013 7:57 PM, Toby Pennington wrote: Don, while that may be true, I wonder how Ten Tec was able to reverse the way the Orion 2's S-Meter works going from a deflected Rf gain to one that wor

[Elecraft] K3-S Meter

2013-03-06 Thread Toby Pennington
Don, while that may be true, I wonder how Ten Tec was able to reverse the way the Orion 2's S-Meter works going from a deflected Rf gain to one that works independent of RF gain? Toby W4CAk __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http:/

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S-Meter

2013-03-06 Thread Don Wilhelm
Drew, The S-meter operates off the AGC voltage and cannot be controlled in the firmware. The result is that you will "have to put up with it" Most all receivers have done the same thing in my 50+ years of hamming. What I can say is is that if you reduce the RF Gain to eliminate the band noi

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S-Meter

2013-03-06 Thread drewko
Don, I always seem to have my RF gain adjusted by ear to below where the s-meter will deflect on a particular signal. So I will most always have to readjust the gain to see an s-meter reading. The RF gain can be adjusted much lower than the signal's meter deflection point but still have an audible

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S-Meter

2013-03-05 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
ignal level at the antenna in -dBm or, for traditionalists, in S-units. BTW, the P3 assumes 6 dB/S-unit too. 73, Ron AC7AC -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Tom H Childers Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 1:46

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S-Meter

2013-03-05 Thread Tom H Childers
RST is not a reflection of S-METER readings at all. It is a means of describing the quality of a received signal, not just the strength. Furthermore Amateur radio manufacturers (not Elecraft) are notorious for not following the 50 microvolts = S9 rule, so S-meter readings are meaningless as measur

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S-Meter

2013-03-04 Thread Don Wilhelm
On the contrary, one can give an honest report even with the RF gain reduced (but only under certain circumstances). If one has reduced the RF gain to the point (just) where the S-meter deflection is at the noise floor, then the S-meter readings should still be valid - you are simply reducing th

[Elecraft] K3 S-Meter

2013-03-04 Thread Toby Pennington
>>...I would like to see the RF gain ride the signals instead of deflecting. >>W4CAK wrote>>> Ralph, ve7Xf wrote,I don't understand. The S-meter usually indicates the AGC voltage. I like it the way it is. Ralph, VE7XF Ralph, I probably did not phrase that properly. I would like to see the

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S-meter

2013-03-04 Thread hawley, charles j jr
Optional? Sent from my iPad Chuck, KE9UW (Jack for BMW motorcycles) On Mar 4, 2013, at 2:29 PM, "Ralph Parker" wrote: >>> ...I would like to see the RF gain ride the signals instead of deflecting. > > I don't understand. > The S-meter usually indicates the AGC voltage. > I like it the way i

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S-meter

2013-03-04 Thread Ralph Parker
>>...I would like to see the RF gain ride the signals instead of deflecting. I don't understand. The S-meter usually indicates the AGC voltage. I like it the way it is. Ralph, VE7XF __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.ne

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S-Meter

2013-02-23 Thread Laurent F6DEX
HI I also don't use it for the same reason. Of course, if this can be improved that's fine !... 73, Laurent - Laurent F6DEX -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-S-Meter-tp7568712p7570250.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S-Meter

2013-01-16 Thread DL5OCD
Hi Eric, thanks for jump in here. Gary already contacted me and told me to do the whole recalibration when i want to use the peak-hold function. I decided now to not use this feature because when i want to switch it off i`ve to do that again... 73 and many thanks for the fast support... Michael

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S-Meter

2013-01-15 Thread Pierfrancesco Caci
"Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft" wrote: >No need to contact support. This is the way is has acted since the >beginning. > >73, > >Eric >--- >www.elecraft.com > >On 1/15/2013 2:05 PM, DL5OCD wrote: >> OK, many thanks. So it seems more like a bug than a feature...i`ll >forward >> this to k3-suppor

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S-Meter

2013-01-15 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
No need to contact support. This is the way is has acted since the beginning. 73, Eric --- www.elecraft.com On 1/15/2013 2:05 PM, DL5OCD wrote: OK, many thanks. So it seems more like a bug than a feature...i`ll forward this to k3-support. 73 Michael

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S-Meter

2013-01-15 Thread DL5OCD
OK, many thanks. So it seems more like a bug than a feature...i`ll forward this to k3-support. 73 Michael -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-S-Meter-tp7568712p7568716.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S-Meter

2013-01-15 Thread Fred Jensen
Running 4.58 and mine does the same. I set the service monitor down to S-9, and then set the P3 to -73 dBm, but finally decided I didn't like peak-hold, and put it back. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2013 Cal QSO Party 5-6 Oct 2013 - www.cqp.org On 1/15/2013 1

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S-Meter

2013-01-15 Thread Pierfrancesco Caci
> "DL5OCD" == DL5OCD writes: DL5OCD> Hello together, DL5OCD> i observed when i activate the peak-hold function of the DL5OCD> S-Meter that one DL5OCD> "bar" is added to the signal (the hold dot). So the meter DL5OCD> shows abt 5db too DL5OCD> much...anyone observed

[Elecraft] K3 S-Meter

2013-01-15 Thread DL5OCD
Hello together, i observed when i activate the peak-hold function of the S-Meter that one "bar" is added to the signal (the hold dot). So the meter shows abt 5db too much...anyone observed this issue ? I use 4.60 FW, SMTR MD set to abs. 73 Michael -- View this message in context: http://elecra

[Elecraft] K3 S-Meter Stuck with KXV3 Error

2012-01-30 Thread Kenny & Stephanie
I recently build a new K3 from a kit. It worked great for a month, but after going through the configuration menus and setting up some preferences, I started getting errors. After powering the radio back on, my S-meter is a solid S-9 regardless of the input signal levels. With a 50 ohm termin

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S meter oddities

2011-09-15 Thread Lyle Johnson
Does it do it with both headphone jacks, or just the front, or just the rear? 73, Lyle KK7P __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@m

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S meter oddities

2011-09-15 Thread Mike Fatchett W0MU
aft-boun...@mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of Bruce Beford > Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 2:54 PM > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 S meter oddities > > >> When I plug my headphones into the K3 the S Meter jumps up about 5 s >> units. This unit i

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S meter oddities

2011-08-11 Thread Fred Jensen
Never on K3/100 S/N 642 [just loaded 4.39]. I use the rear headfone and mic jacks exclusively ... putting them there in addition to the front panel was a genius moment! 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2011 Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2011 - www.cqp.org On 8/11/2011 5:0

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S meter oddities

2011-08-11 Thread KE8G
eford" ; Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 S meter oddities > It actually does it with a blank phone plug inserted. As soon as the plug > goes in, the S meter jumps up. The signal itself does not change, just > the > meter reading. I have

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S meter oddities

2011-08-11 Thread Phillip Shepard
Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of Bruce Beford Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 2:54 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 S meter oddities > When I plug my headphones into the K3 the S Meter jumps up about

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S meter oddities

2011-08-11 Thread Bruce Beford
> When I plug my headphones into the K3 the S Meter jumps up about 5 s > units. This unit is running 4.31 FW. I obviously have not tried new 4.39. > Just curious if anyone else has seen this. > Mike W0MU My K3 s/n 559 running 4.39 does -not- exhibit this behavior. As far as I can recall, i

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S meter oddities

2011-08-11 Thread Mike Fatchett W0MU
esolution to it. I'm all ears on this. > > 73, > > Phil, NS7P > > -Original Message- > From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net > [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of Mike Fatchett W0MU > Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 8:45 AM > To: elecraf

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S meter oddities

2011-08-11 Thread Phillip Shepard
h.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of Mike Fatchett W0MU Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 8:45 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3 S meter oddities When I plug my headphones into the K3 the S Meter jumps up about 5 s units. This unit is running 4.31 F

[Elecraft] K3 S meter oddities

2011-08-11 Thread Mike Fatchett W0MU
When I plug my headphones into the K3 the S Meter jumps up about 5 s units. This unit is running 4.31 FW. I obviously have not tried new 4.39. Just curious if anyone else has seen this. Mike W0MU __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://

Re: [Elecraft] K3 s-meter calibration parameters and flickering S1...

2011-05-30 Thread VK7JB
Thanks Lyle and David. Sounds all's configured OK then. I'll get back to playing with my K3. 73, John VK7JB -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-s-meter-calibration-parameters-and-flickering-S1-tp6418969p6420986.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list arch

Re: [Elecraft] K3 s-meter calibration parameters and flickering S1...

2011-05-30 Thread Lyle Johnson
Hello John! In ABS mode this is normal. It is a consequence of offsets the DSP is doing to account for the settings of ATT and PRE, along with the method used to pass S Meter information to the MCU. 73, Lyle KK7P > After the RF calibration, I re-did the S-meter calibration using the XG3, > w

Re: [Elecraft] K3 s-meter calibration parameters and flickering S1...

2011-05-30 Thread David Pratt
John - I would say that if it is just flickering on and off that is exactly right. It does at least show that the receiver is live and the residual noise is registering on the S-meter. Perhaps if you shorted ANT1 to ground the flickering might reduce. Personally, if my S-meter did not flicker,

[Elecraft] K3 s-meter calibration parameters and flickering S1...

2011-05-30 Thread VK7JB
Hello again, Update to my last post: I turned everything off, went and had a cup of coffee, came back and tried the RF gain calibration routine again with K3 Utility - worked just fine this time. So, not sure why those errors. I had turned everything off and re-booted the K3, restarted the uti

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S meter vs P3 S scale

2011-05-07 Thread Alan Bloom
23:00 > To: Jim Miller KG0KP > Cc: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 S meter vs P3 S scale > > The reason the P3 reads lower than the K3 on noise or SSB signals is > that each display point on the P3 screen covers only a small bandwidth. > As explained in the manual, ea

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S meter vs P3 S scale

2011-05-07 Thread Doug Turnbull
-Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Alan Bloom Sent: 06 May 2011 23:00 To: Jim Miller KG0KP Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 S meter vs P3 S scale The reason the P3 reads lower than the K3 on noise or

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S meter vs P3 S scale

2011-05-06 Thread Jim Miller KG0KP
I need coffee!! 73, de Jim KG0KP - Original Message - From: "Jim Miller KG0KP" To: "Elecraft Reflector" Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 S meter vs P3 S scale > THANKS everybody. Some very good definitions. I didn't th

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S meter vs P3 S scale

2011-05-06 Thread Jim Miller KG0KP
THANKS everybody. Some very good definitions. I didn't think anything was really broken and sisn't really believe it was out of calibration either but jsut did not understand wht appearant difference. Good to know that all is well. Thanke es 73, de Jim KG0KP __

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S meter vs P3 S scale

2011-05-06 Thread Al Lorona
When an SSB signal is "S9", that means that the total power in the ≈ 3 kHz bandwidth, added up, is equal to S9. The voice power is spread out across 3 kHz of bandwidth and has to be integrated, or summed, in that bandwidth before comparing to an S-meter reading. Therefore, the amplitude of any

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S meter vs P3 S scale

2011-05-06 Thread Alan Bloom
The reason the P3 reads lower than the K3 on noise or SSB signals is that each display point on the P3 screen covers only a small bandwidth. As explained in the manual, each display point is about 1/450 of the span. For example, if the span is 45 kHz, then each display point only covers about 100

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S meter vs P3 S scale

2011-05-06 Thread Jim Brown
On 5/6/2011 7:52 AM, Matt Zilmer wrote: > If you have the P3's AVERAGE enabled, it can lower the peak shown on > the P3. This is entirely normal behavior. I have my S-meter set to read peaks and use it to give signal reports, but I set the P3 to very heavily average what it sees. This smooths ou

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S meter vs P3 S scale

2011-05-06 Thread Matt Zilmer
If you have the P3's AVERAGE enabled, it can lower the peak shown on the P3. If at the same time, you have CONFIG:SMTR PK turned ON, there will probably be a significant difference between the two indicated levels. The K3's S-Meter will hang on the peaks for a short time, maybe long enough for yo

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S meter vs P3 S scale

2011-05-06 Thread Grant Youngman
There will also be a difference on anything but a steady state carrier unless the P3 is in 'peak' display mode. An averaged SSB signal will show a lower reading on the P3 than the S-meter, for example. Grant/NQ5T Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2011, at 9:45 AM, n...@n5ge.com wrote: > > Good

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S meter vs P3 S scale

2011-05-06 Thread Dave, G4AON
On a steady carrier (i.e. from a signal generator), both the P3 and K3 should read the same. My P3 reads much lower on actual signals than the K3, it is especially noticeable on SSB signals. Calibrating on a signal generator doesn't alter the lower reading of a P3 display on SSB signals. The pe

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S meter vs P3 S scale

2011-05-06 Thread n5ge
Good Morning Jim, First, go to the Elecraft web site and verify that you have the latest version of the firmware for the K3 and P3. If you don't have it installed, install it. You do need to calibrate the P3 and the K3 S-Meters. To do this you will need an XG1, XG2 or XG3. Either will work.

[Elecraft] K3 S meter vs P3 S scale

2011-05-06 Thread Jim Miller KG0KP
Seems to be quite a difference in the readings between the P3 showing S scale and he S meter reading on the K3. The software in both is up to date(recently at least). The difference is quite significant with the P3 being considerably lower. Maybe I don't know how to read the two meters. On t

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] s-meter data logger software available?

2011-04-05 Thread Richard Wheeler
Mike, I am trying to measure background noise on 75 meters in my city location. The noise level in the city is 20dB higher than in my rural location so I think it must be coming from local companies. I want to plot the noise level over several days to separate ionospheric noise from local no

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] s-meter data logger software available?

2011-04-05 Thread Don Wilhelm
John, The color variation in the waterfall display already indicates signal strength over time. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/5/2011 2:50 PM, John Lemay wrote: > I wonder if there is any way the P3 could do this ? > > Convention has the P3 displaying signal strength v frequency. Could it show > signal s

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] s-meter data logger software available?

2011-04-05 Thread ON4WIX
Yes it could. It's called "waterfall display". Don't know if there's a way to buffer/log the screen data, though. 73 ON4WIX - Original Message - From: "John Lemay" To: "'Richard Wheeler'" ; Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] s-meter data logger software available?

2011-04-05 Thread Mike Fatchett
chard Wheeler > Sent: 05 April 2011 19:17 > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Cc: rich...@wheeler.com > Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] s-meter data logger software available? > > I would like to plot band condition changes during the day and night. > > "S-Meter Lite"

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] s-meter data logger software available?

2011-04-05 Thread John Lemay
Wheeler Sent: 05 April 2011 19:17 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Cc: rich...@wheeler.com Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] s-meter data logger software available? I would like to plot band condition changes during the day and night. "S-Meter Lite" software does a nice job with OLD Kenwood and Yaesu

[Elecraft] [K3] s-meter data logger software available?

2011-04-05 Thread Richard Wheeler
I would like to plot band condition changes during the day and night. "S-Meter Lite" software does a nice job with OLD Kenwood and Yaesu receivers. See: http://www.seed-solutions.com/gregordy/Software/SMeterLite.htm Is anyone aware of software that would plot signal strength of the K3 over a d

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S-meter on sub-Rx

2011-03-30 Thread Edward R. Cole
My reply got sent before inserting the link: http://www.kl7uw.com/DEMI144-28DRX.htm 73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45 == BP40IQ 500 KHz - 10-GHz www.kl7uw.com EME: 144-1.4kw, 432-100w, 1296-testing*, 3400-winter? DUBUS Magazine USA Rep dubus...@hotmail.com

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S-meter on sub-Rx

2011-03-30 Thread Edward R. Cole
Thanks to K2AV and G0AFH for how to get the sub-Rx s-meter readings. Also advice on RF gain Calib. on both Rx. This was just a preliminary set up to get things close for a starting point. As it turns out I got the two Rx within 1/2 s-unit of equal using ambient noise: Main Rx (Vpol) = S7; sub-

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S-meter on sub-Rx

2011-03-30 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
While tuned into a signal on the Sub RX, do a hold on BSET. This will give you the S meter reading for the Sub RX tuned to the frequency in VFO B. This is also how you do other Sub RX settings, such as ATT/PRE. See page 37 in the manual, available in PDF format on the Elecraft site. You should

[Elecraft] K3 S-meter on sub-Rx

2011-03-30 Thread Edward R. Cole
I am installing a new 2m transverter to my K3 and ran into an issue with the s-meter on the K3. The transverter has two Rx circuits so both the main and sub-Rx in the K3 are fed with converted 2m signal. I was adjusting the IF gain in the transverter so that the noise level would read S2-S3 on

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S meter calibration

2011-03-15 Thread Geoffrey Downs
So do I. There have been postings to the reflector about it over a long period. I believe it's a question of making S9 = -93dbm on 2m. 73 to all Geoff G3UCK - Original Message - From: "John Lemay" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 8:03 AM Subject: Re: [Elecr

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S meter calibration

2011-03-15 Thread John Lemay
t: 14 March 2011 19:30 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 S meter calibration Mines' the same, about S4/5 maximum. Pity, works great otherwise. 73 Roger MW0IDX K3 #191 K2 #2724 KX1 #416 > Hi Georges, > Like you I cannot fathom why the K144XV is so low in it'

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S meter calibration

2011-03-14 Thread Roger Dallimore
Mines' the same, about S4/5 maximum. Pity, works great otherwise. 73 Roger MW0IDX K3 #191 K2 #2724 KX1 #416 > Hi Georges, > Like you I cannot fathom why the K144XV is so low in it's received signal > strength, I too see no better than S3-S4 on signals that on all other radios > are S9-S9+. >

[Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior

2010-07-16 Thread Edward R Cole
chard Hill Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior To: The Smiths Cc: Elecraft Reflector Message-ID: <4c406d0a.8050...@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Understood. My poorly described point was that the signal strength as reported by the s-meter

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior

2010-07-16 Thread Richard Hill
2010 06:58:27 -0700 > > From: reh...@ix.netcom.com > > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior > > > > I don't really understand, but would be interested in more > discussion on > > this. I think I understand that th

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior

2010-07-15 Thread Bob Stevens
Amen! -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of ussv dharma Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:36 PM To: drewko; The Smiths; Tom W8JI Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior Aloha Peoples

[Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior

2010-07-15 Thread Edward R Cole
In some areas of ham radio having a fairly accurate measure of signal strength is more than "nice". On HF "who really cares" is what I am getting here on the list. But if you design, construct and try to get the optimum performance from your station, measurements become more than "nice". Of

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior

2010-07-15 Thread ussv dharma
USSV DHARMA  --- On Thu, 7/15/10, Tom W8JI wrote: > From: Tom W8JI > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior > To: "drewko" , "The Smiths" > Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Date: Thursday, July 15, 2010, 6:27 AM > > Personally

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior

2010-07-15 Thread The Smiths
gives me an S3 reading I know approximately how well I'm doing at his QTH given the idea I know HIS antenna set up, and Mine. That's good enough for me. > From: w...@w8ji.com > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:52:29 -0400 > Subjec

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior

2010-07-15 Thread David Gilbert
mpress nor answer EVERYONE > with their knowledge EVERY time. Save it for when it really counts, > not on how to read an S meter. > > > > > Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 23:27:40 -0700 > > From: xda...@cis-broadband.com > > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > Subject: Re: [

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior

2010-07-15 Thread Mike
gt; > > > >> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 06:58:27 -0700 >> From: reh...@ix.netcom.com >> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior >> >> I don't really understand, but would be interested in more discussion on >> thi

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2010-07-15 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
This topic has easily exceeded the 'Too many postings' limit. Time to end this topic for now. In the future, on a high volume topic like this, please self regulate. :-) 73, Eric WA6HHQ Elecraft List modulator __ Elecraft mailing list

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior

2010-07-15 Thread Gary Dezern
As this drifts further from the original topic... I find it amusing that a station will ask me to repeat my callsign and name several times, and then give me a "59" report. I think I messed up several people over the weekend contest by giving them "5-7 08" reports instead of what they expected

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior

2010-07-15 Thread Grant Youngman
On Jul 15, 2010, at 12:52 PM, Tom W8JI wrote: > > There may be a "standard" some people believe in, but it is a "paper > standard" that never took hold. I always thought the standard was "you're 5x9 here OM, and please repeat your call, QTH and my signal report" :-) Grant/NQ5T

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior

2010-07-15 Thread Tom W8JI
> Regardless of the fact that in 1934 (as was indicated to me in off > reflector email) we used to not use the meter for the S report, at some > time (1970's when proper calibration and standardizations' came about) we > were able to shift that OLD antiquated 1934's definition over to a > STAND

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior

2010-07-15 Thread The Smiths
invented in Ham radio has to be forced until the world ends. Much to some peoples Chagrin, we DO evolve as ham radio operators. > From: n...@comcast.net > Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 11:38:09 -0500 > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior >

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior

2010-07-15 Thread Ken Kopp
Has there -ever- been a subject in ham radio that's generated as much argument and discussion over the years? I think not. 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http:

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior

2010-07-15 Thread The Smiths
es in your adjustments. Or you can just think of it as "a little less ATT".. > Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 06:59:37 -0700 > From: n...@bellsouth.net > To: d...@w3fpr.com > CC: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior > > Don > I performed b

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior

2010-07-15 Thread The Smiths
ailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior > > I don't really understand, but would be interested in more discussion on > this. I think I understand that the apparent power of a signal to your > ears/brain may vary even though the actual received power is the sa

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior

2010-07-15 Thread Robert Mitilieri - N9EF
Actually the S meter is used so the Strength of the signal report is *not* subjective, that's reserved for Readability. I firmly believe that the Strength report must *not* be subjective, why else ever put a meter to measure signal Strength? In the case of signal Strength we *must* differentiate

[Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior

2010-07-15 Thread Edward R Cole
e: 30 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 09:49:27 -0400 From: drewko Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior To: The Smiths Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The way I understand it, turning donw the RF Gain does not "improve" the signal

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior

2010-07-15 Thread Tom W8JI
> Personally, I would prefer that the s-meter not operate in this way in > ABS mode. RF Gain should have no effect on the s-meter action when in > ABS mode, just as ATT and PRE do not. It would probably screw up (highly technical term) how the system works, or require a separate receiver just for

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior

2010-07-15 Thread Phil Hystad
time. Save it for when > it really counts, not on how to read an S meter. > > > > > >> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 23:27:40 -0700 >> From: xda...@cis-broadband.com >> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior >>

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior

2010-07-15 Thread The Smiths
er EVERYONE with their knowledge EVERY time. Save it for when it really counts, not on how to read an S meter. > Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 23:27:40 -0700 > From: xda...@cis-broadband.com > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior > > > Just cu

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior

2010-07-15 Thread K5WA
TheSmiths said: "559 still MEANS Receive Excellent, Signal 5 S UNITS, Tone Excellent." Actually, this statement is inaccurate and the RST code never specifies S meter readings but this perception is a common misconception. 559 means Readability Excellent, Fairly Strong Signal

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior

2010-07-15 Thread Richard Hill
I do understand that my statement below may not make sense for digital modes . Rich NU6T On 7/15/2010 6:58 AM, Richard Hill wrote: > I don't really understand, but would be interested in more discussion on > this. I think I understand that the apparent power of a signal to your > ears/brain may

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior

2010-07-15 Thread ussv dharma
ILL arrive exactly where you're headed!! Susan Meckley, Skipper W7KFI-mm  AFA9SM USSV DHARMA  --- On Thu, 7/15/10, Richard Hill wrote: > From: Richard Hill > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Date: Thursday,

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior

2010-07-15 Thread Paul Milward
elm >To: Robert Mitilieri - N9EF >Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >Sent: Thu, July 15, 2010 12:30:07 AM >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior >Robert, >You are relying on your S-meter too much IMHO. >If you have an S-3 noise level, the first attack is to turn off the &g

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior

2010-07-15 Thread Richard Hill
I don't really understand, but would be interested in more discussion on this. I think I understand that the apparent power of a signal to your ears/brain may vary even though the actual received power is the same. Commercials on TV seems much louder than the shows these days, but I'm hearing

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior

2010-07-15 Thread drewko
The way I understand it, turning donw the RF Gain does not "improve" the signal's s-meter strength. The increasing level of the s-meter as you reduce the RF Gain indicates the level that a signal would need to attain in order to be heard. For example, if you turn the RF Gain to 12 o'clock you will

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior

2010-07-15 Thread drewko
Don, I don't see that to be the case. The action of the s-meter in ABS mode does change when the RF Gain has been reduced. If you turn the RF Gain to 12 o'clock the s-meter goes to S9+30db. 73, Drew AF2Z On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 23:34:22 -0400, Don W3FPR wrote: >Robert, > >The K3 does have a "cur

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