Re: [Elecraft] OT -RFI question

2011-05-26 Thread David Cutter
I'm sure Jim Brown will advise you to read his tutorials, but, basically, keep rf out of the shack. 73 David G3UNA Larry I do RFI engineering. Pacemakers are a lot like avionics relative to ham radio. The working spectrums for pacemakers, avionics, and ham radios are widely separated by

Re: [Elecraft] OT -RFI question

2011-05-26 Thread Jim Miller KG0KP
get reminded to turn it down. Still happens ocassionally. Happily hamming, 73, de Jim KG0KP - Original Message - From: David Cutter d.cut...@ntlworld.com To: Elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 1:31 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT -RFI question I'm sure

Re: [Elecraft] OT -RFI question

2011-05-26 Thread Jim Miller KG0KP
it down. Still happens occasionally. Happily hamming, 73, de Jim KG0KP K3 1442, P3 0089 - Original Message - From: K2GN k...@k2gn.com To: Elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 1:35 PM Subject: [Elecraft] OT -RFI question I'm getting a Pacemaker installed

Re: [Elecraft] OT -RFI question

2011-05-26 Thread K2GN
Thanks for all the great opinions, experiences and web links. de K2GN - Larry -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of K2GN Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 3:36 PM To: Elecraft Subject: [Elecraft] OT -RFI question I'm

Re: [Elecraft] OT -RFI question

2011-05-26 Thread Jim Brown
On 5/25/2011 2:01 PM, FRED TOWNSEND wrote: Pacemakers are a lot like avionics relative to ham radio. The working spectrums for pacemakers, avionics, and ham radios are widely separated by both frequency and function. The probability of their mutual interaction is very small. Unfortunately

Re: [Elecraft] OT -RFI question

2011-05-26 Thread Ed, W9EJB
As noted by several others the pacemaker industry has indeed recognized the issues surrounding potential interference problems. Most probably remember the issues with microwave ovens - a problem solved over 30 years ago- but you still see the warning signs. In general, the typical ham does not

Re: [Elecraft] OT -RFI question

2011-05-26 Thread Jim Brown
On 5/26/2011 1:01 PM, Ed, W9EJB wrote: It was the digital modulation modes that caused some problems; all of which have been fixed for many years now. Note that what you're calling digital modulation is 100% amplitude modulation of a carrier by a series of pulses. For TDMA (time division

Re: [Elecraft] OT -RFI question

2011-05-26 Thread Tony Estep
On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.comwrote: ...a cell phone used by the person wearing pacemaker -- worst case, it's a 1 watt PEP AM UHF, transmitter... This is interesting. I thought cellphones used an ADC to convert your audio, then some sort of FSK to

Re: [Elecraft] OT -RFI question

2011-05-26 Thread Alan Bloom
TDMA (time division multiple access) cell phones share a frequency channel by transmitting only in certain time slots. The power is pulsed on and off even though the modulation mode may be constant-power. Al N1AL On Thu, 2011-05-26 at 15:19 -0500, Tony Estep wrote: On Thu, May 26, 2011 at

Re: [Elecraft] OT -RFI question

2011-05-26 Thread Jim Brown
On 5/26/2011 1:30 PM, Alan Bloom wrote: TDMA (time division multiple access) cell phones share a frequency channel by transmitting only in certain time slots. The power is pulsed on and off even though the modulation mode may be constant-power. Yes. For at least one of the commonly used

Re: [Elecraft] OT -RFI question

2011-05-26 Thread Ed, W9EJB
The major problem with the digital modes (amplitude pulse modes) occured during the initial protocol between the cell phone. This is a max power mode and occurs prior to phone ringing. The peak powers were as high as 10 watts. Also, during power save modes of TDMA, the packet rate can be as

[Elecraft] OT -RFI question

2011-05-25 Thread K2GN
I'm getting a Pacemaker installed. Has anyone heard of RFI issues with Pacemakers? de K2GN - Larry mailto:k...@k2gn.com - http://k2gn.com http://k2gn.com/ K3 S/N - 3278P3 S/N - 51 LPA500 __ Elecraft mailing list Home:

Re: [Elecraft] OT -RFI question

2011-05-25 Thread John Ragle
Suggest you read: http://www.ce-mag.com/archive/2000/novdec/kimmel.htmlas a preliminary source. John Ragle -- W1ZI = On 5/25/2011 3:35 PM, K2GN wrote: I'm getting a Pacemaker installed. Has anyone heard of RFI issues with Pacemakers? de K2GN - Larrymailto:k...@k2gn.com -

Re: [Elecraft] OT -RFI question

2011-05-25 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
not RFI heard about here, but certainly magnetism. I know someone with a P/M and they had to be careful about lots of motor type stuff and significantly, security scanners in airports Suggest you discuss this with your consultant and google it 73 de M0XDF -- Dear God, Did you mean for the

Re: [Elecraft] OT -RFI question

2011-05-25 Thread Bill Adams
: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 14:35 To: Elecraft Subject: [Elecraft] OT -RFI question I'm getting a Pacemaker installed. Has anyone heard of RFI issues with Pacemakers? de K2GN - Larry mailto:k...@k2gn.com - http://k2gn.com http://k2gn.com/ K3 S/N - 3278P3 S/N - 51 LPA500

Re: [Elecraft] OT -RFI question

2011-05-25 Thread FRED TOWNSEND
is your best defense. 73 de Fred, AE6QL From: K2GN k...@k2gn.com To: Elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 12:35:31 PM Subject: [Elecraft] OT -RFI question I'm getting a Pacemaker installed. Has anyone heard of RFI issues with Pacemakers

Re: [Elecraft] OT -RFI question

2011-05-25 Thread Rich Bobb
that may also effect your pacemaker. Knowledge is your best defense. 73 de Fred, AE6QL From: K2GNk...@k2gn.com To: Elecraftelecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 12:35:31 PM Subject: [Elecraft] OT -RFI question I'm getting a Pacemaker installed

Re: [Elecraft] OT -RFI question

2011-05-25 Thread Phil Kane
On 5/25/2011 2:01 PM, FRED TOWNSEND wrote: Also the designers of pacemakers are usually focused on medical function and may miss critical RFI errors. The first generation of pacemakers were very susceptible to audio rectification. After a great deal of pressure from the FCC and others,

Re: [Elecraft] OT -RFI question

2011-05-25 Thread R. Kevin Stover
Just re-iterating David's advice. In my former life I worked in a factory. My former boss had to get a pacer and was told specifically to stay away from large magnetic fields. Well, the large, three phase 480V motors used on large machinery like press brakes, shears, and even transformers in