Re: [Elecraft] Shorthand

2009-10-12 Thread David Cutter
I agree with others that on the amateur bands we use R or EN for yes. Thanks for the correction. David G3UNA - Original Message - From: Lee Buller To: David Cutter ; Elecraft Reflector Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Shorthand Actually

Re: [Elecraft] Shorthand

2009-10-12 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy
d.cut...@ntlworld.com To: Lee Buller k...@swbell.net; Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 7:21 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Shorthand I agree with others that on the amateur bands we use R or EN for yes. Thanks for the correction. David G3UNA - Original

Re: [Elecraft] Shorthand

2009-10-12 Thread Jon K Hellan
Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy wrote: Back in 1946 -1948 ish, C for yes, and R or EN for Received and understood was used on the amateur bands. The same practice was used by my school's cadet signal corps and the army in South Africa during and after WWII. C also means affirmative in the

Re: [Elecraft] Shorthand

2009-10-12 Thread Lu Romero
David: Ahh, then you dont speak Spanish, eh? Its INTERNATIONAL Morse code for a reason... C, well,maybe for Confirm, but SI in Spanish means YES DE (deh) means From in Spanish. OK, on to work things and away from fun ham radio things. -Lu-W4LT-

Re: [Elecraft] Shorthand

2009-10-12 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Many of these bits come from Latin on which all the Romance languages based. In Latin DE means coming from or an origin. The use of the Charlie letter flag for signaling between ships has meant yes probably long before Morse came into use on the high seas. I suspect that's why C in Morse also

[Elecraft] Shorthand

2009-10-11 Thread Frank MacDonell
Can anyone refer me to a list of commonly used shorthand for CW? Thanks in advance! -- Frank KD8FIP __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post:

Re: [Elecraft] Shorthand

2009-10-11 Thread Bruce Beford
Here's a good list of CW abbreviations. I am sure there are others. 73, Bruce N1RX http://www.kent-engineers.com/abbreviations.htm __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help:

Re: [Elecraft] Shorthand

2009-10-11 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
And here's another list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morse_code_abbreviations For the record, T for zero is not really an abbreviation but a modern affectation caused by the limitations of keyers. It should be a longer than normal dash which is American Morse for a zero. T for zero works, if

Re: [Elecraft] Shorthand

2009-10-11 Thread Iain MacDonnell - N6ML
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Frank MacDonell kd8...@gmail.com wrote: Can anyone refer me to a list of commonly used shorthand for CW? Whilst browsing the results of a Google search for simply cw shorthand (which, by the way, returned, as its top result, a comprehensive list in PDF format), I

Re: [Elecraft] Shorthand

2009-10-11 Thread David Y.
Message - From: Bruce Beford bruce.bef...@myfairpoint.net To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Shorthand Here's a good list of CW abbreviations. I am sure there are others. 73, Bruce N1RX http://www.kent-engineers.com/abbreviations.htm

Re: [Elecraft] Shorthand

2009-10-11 Thread David Cutter
I can see how c = yes, derived from confirm = cfm, but when I was a marine op it was y = yes David G3UNA - Original Message - From: Bruce Beford bruce.bef...@myfairpoint.net To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Shorthand Here's

Re: [Elecraft] Shorthand

2009-10-11 Thread David Y.
Claire r...@cobi.biz To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Shorthand And here's another list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morse_code_abbreviations For the record, T for zero is not really an abbreviation but a modern affectation caused

Re: [Elecraft] Shorthand

2009-10-11 Thread Ken Kopp
I believe 30 was more commonly used in the press wire field and indicates end or end of article. 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP elecraftcov...@rfwave.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help:

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2009-10-11 Thread Lee Buller
Actuallythe c come from Spanish. At least, that is what I always thought se senior or yes mister Lee K0WA Making up life as I go :) I can see how c = yes, derived from confirm = cfm, but when I was a marine op it was y = yes David G3UNA

Re: [Elecraft] Shorthand

2009-10-11 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Yep, and carried over onto radiotelegraphy mostly for noting the end of the press sent to ships, etc. I've always used R to denote yes. That's what we used on military CW, and I've heard and used it on the ham bands for many, many years. During a CW contact when I had excellent copy I'll often

Re: [Elecraft] Shorthand

2009-10-11 Thread Radio Amateur N5GE
On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:02:24 -0700, Ron D'Eau Claire r...@cobi.biz wrote: Yep, and carried over onto radiotelegraphy mostly for noting the end of the press sent to ships, etc. I've always used R to denote yes. That's what we used on military CW, and I've heard and used it on the ham bands for

Re: [Elecraft] Shorthand

2009-10-11 Thread Vic K2VCO
Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: I've always used R to denote yes. That's what we used on military CW, and I've heard and used it on the ham bands for many, many years. I have to add that nobody ever understands when I use 'c' for 'yes'. When a dx station struggles and finally gets my call right, if

Re: [Elecraft] Shorthand

2009-10-11 Thread Vic K2VCO
Radio Amateur N5GE wrote: In the last year or so I've begun to hear a lot of CW op's sending EN to the other station when it is turned back to them. Is this something new or just a cool LID's way to send R for Roger? This is the same guy who thinks that the 'general call to all stations' is

Re: [Elecraft] Shorthand

2009-10-11 Thread Matt Zilmer
snip CW ops use this long inter-element delay between E and N (to make R) as a point of emphasis. I guess this means Very Good R. This has been true at least at least since I was first licensed (1972). At that time, electronic keyers were fairly new (and/or expensive,) and bugs were often

Re: [Elecraft] Shorthand

2009-10-11 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Dave W7AQK wrote: The one thing I think that list doesn't make clear is that some letters are intentionally run together, with no separation, such as BT. Another was the example of HH, which really should just be 8 dits run together, to indicate an error. A third example is AS. In print,

Re: [Elecraft] Shorthand

2009-10-11 Thread Lee Buller
I have also use R as an affirmative. I use to use C in my traffic handling days of the 60s and 70s. We could also talk about QN or Q signals as well, but that is another thread. Now, the EN for R I think came from my old Novice days to add emphasis that I did copy perfectly, something I

Re: [Elecraft] Shorthand

2009-10-11 Thread Bud Morin
EN was used for an artistic R in he 1940's. I heard them and occasionally used it. Bud, K9ZT Radio Amateur N5GE wrote: On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:02:24 -0700, Ron D'Eau Claire r...@cobi.biz wrote: Yep, and carried over onto radiotelegraphy mostly for noting the end of the press sent to