David, that’s all true, but there’s one little problem. All of those touch
screens are attached to Android or iOS devices. Unless Elecraft plans on
embedding a full Android or Apple OS in the mythical K4, writing a similar
screen reader will not be a small undertaking.
> On Mar 26, 2019, at
Folks,
I'm not an Elecraft transceiver owner and, with the present alternative radio
offerings and the current state of the art, I won't be buying a K3 of any
flavour. However, I do own a KPA1500 which is nicely designed and built, and
performs to expectations. Those expectations are modest
Folks - we closed this thread yesterday. In the interest of relieving reader
email overload from the large number of email postings, let's let it rest for
now.
73,
Eric
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If the latest touch screens are anything like my "Smartphone" you can keep
them!
Either they do not respond instantly or the processor is " Busy" doing
something else. This to me extremely irritating and frustrating.
How do the plethora of 7300 users find their screens work for them?
73 F5VJC
On
Don,
I have a blind ham friend and all his touch screens talk back to him when he
touches something. he can use his iPad, iPod and iPhone faster than I can.
It’s in the programming as it is a special program he has for each. Another
miracle for our blind brothers. And, that is why he
18:51:40 + (UTC)
From: Al Lorona
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] The case against touch screens
Message-ID: <896285231.9781866.1553539900...@mail.yahoo.com>
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I don't think you guys understood me. I shouldn'
With proper forethought, they can. Proper location of ‘buttons’ on the screen
and an overlay template could provide enough tactual feedback.
Sent from my iPad
> On Mar 25, 2019, at 12:02 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>
> Touch screens do not provide support for blind amateur operators. Elecraft
>
Voice response. Voice modules have been available for various rigs for
sometime. They don't listen and do what you ask. But they will read the
S-meter, tell you what frequency/band you're one. It with be technically
easy to build a small option box that would handle a voice interface. If
a web
RE: "...a large percentage of the time a touch screen does not respond to my
finger."
I thought it was just me! I also have a problem with selecting the wrong
thing, which is extremely time consuming and frustrating. That is probably due
to my essential tremors which have increased with
The argument for is simple, and compelling for a company like Elecraft.
I know that my KX3 has functions that were not even dreamed of when the
front panel layout and silkscreen were finalized.
They've cleverly added these modes and functions by "overloading"
buttons -- push twice, push and
What I was thinking. But in addition let me add something else that would
limit who could use it. I have a progressively worsening case of tremor in my
hands. Grabbing a knob and turning it works fine but hitting a specific spot
on a screen is a hit or miss operation. The finer the detail
Speaking of F22s, I got to see a demo of one at this weekend's airshow at
DMAFB. Also on hand were the USAF Thunderbirds. I think there are a lot
politicians who should have to attend one of these to see how tax money should
be spent.
I understand the gloves comment. It's a PITA to have to
I don't think you guys understood me. I shouldn't have veiled my concern with a
tongue-in-cheek post.
So I will be direct. I was referring to the physiological event of touching a
screen with a finger. It must be just me, because a large percentage of the
time a touch screen does not respond
RE: You assume that touch screens are inherently unreliable. Try to convince
and F22 pilot of that, or a 777 gunnery crew.
You assume that aircraft with flat panel displays utilize touch screens. The
military aircraft I have worked (Design Engineering) that have flat panel
displays do NOT
We've always provided a host API that access to virtually 100% of the controls
so voice interfaces can be designed for attached computers. This would be true
even if we did a radio with a touch screen.
And as I said earlier, the emphasis should be on hard controls for things used
most often.
Touch screens do not provide support for blind amateur operators.
Elecraft has always said they will provide support for blind operators.
I just wonder how touchscreens fit into that commitment.
73,
Don W3FPR
On 3/25/2019 11:18 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
While those are certainly advantages,
Brannan
To: elecraft
Sent: Mon, Mar 25, 2019 10:19 am
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] The case against touch screens
While those are certainly advantages, there are several disadvantages. Number 1
on my personal hit parade: they aren’t tactile. You have to look at them to
operate them. Which means, for you
You assume that touch screens are inherently unreliable. Try to convince
and F22 pilot of that, or a 777 gunnery crew. There is so much military
hardware that is dependent on touch screens that your argument just
doesn't hold up. This technology is decades old now. You may find some
poorly
While those are certainly advantages, there are several disadvantages. Number 1
on my personal hit parade: they aren’t tactile. You have to look at them to
operate them. Which means, for you, another distraction. For me, it means extra
support (think VoiceOver on iOS, Talkback on Android,
I've designed and developed all sorts of user interfaces. Some touch and
some not. A touch screen has several huge advantages:
1.) it can be updated. When a better approach for a particular function
is determined - a firmware update can be performed to change the user
interface.
2.) When an
I have a touch screen on my 7300 and REALLY like it!! I have found that
for more accuracy, the use of a stylus makes life very easy.
Further, the world operates on touch screens - just look at all the
driver distractions provided by the "info centers" in modern automobiles
and using "smart"
I have an aftermarket Pioneer stereo in my car with a large touchscreen
interface. It works very well and I can’t imagine how you could control a
device with its level of functionality without it.
73
Josh W6XU
Sent from my (touchscreen) mobile device
> On Mar 24, 2019, at 6:43 PM, Dave Cole
You shouldn't be playing with your radio while driving anyway!!
Bert VE3NR
On 3/24/2019 9:43 PM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote:
I suspect touch screens are just a fad for rigs... Imagine one in
your moving car...
73s and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Technical Specialist
ARRL
Touch screens have their place. My next HF rig may well have a touch screen. My
mobile prob not.
Sent from my iPhone via a “touch screen”!
...nr4c. bill
> On Mar 24, 2019, at 11:11 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
>
>> On 3/24/2019 6:54 PM, Jim Miller wrote:
>> I'm getting better at using voice as a
On 3/24/2019 6:54 PM, Jim Miller wrote:
I'm getting better at using voice as a result.
You've GOT to watch the most recent Bill Maher show (3/22/19) for his
short take on this! As I recall, it was in his New Rules segment.
Excerpts and complete shows can often be found on youtube.
73, Jim
So much for tongue in cheek humor... ;)
John K7FD
> On Mar 24, 2019, at 6:52 PM, W2xj wrote:
>
> Old news. They have existed for a while.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Mar 24, 2019, at 9:43 PM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote:
>>
>> I suspect touch screens are just a fad for rigs... Imagine one
Not in love with the one in my 2018 Camry. Very difficult to use while
driving.
I'm getting better at using voice as a result.
jim ab3cv
On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 9:52 PM W2xj wrote:
> Old news. They have existed for a while.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Mar 24, 2019, at 9:43 PM, Dave Cole
Old news. They have existed for a while.
Sent from my iPad
> On Mar 24, 2019, at 9:43 PM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote:
>
> I suspect touch screens are just a fad for rigs... Imagine one in your
> moving car...
>
> 73s and thanks,
> Dave (NK7Z)
> https://www.nk7z.net
> ARRL Technical Specialist
I suspect touch screens are just a fad for rigs... Imagine one in your
moving car...
73s and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Technical Specialist
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL OOC for Oregon
On 3/24/19 5:35 PM, Al Lorona wrote:
Thaddeus sits down at the rig. Today is the day
I like using a soldering iron and an assembler for my user interface.
They allow me to do low level coding :)
Kevin. KD5ONS
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On 3/24/19 5:55 PM, Michael Walker wrote:
I have used all sort of user interfaces.
Knobs, mouse, keyboard, touch screens. They all work and do what they need
I have used all sort of user interfaces.
Knobs, mouse, keyboard, touch screens. They all work and do what they need
to do.
That being said, it comes down to what works for you.
Mike va3mw
On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 8:52 PM W2xj wrote:
> I’ve been using touchscreens for 35 years. My experience
I’ve been using touchscreens for 35 years. My experience is not what you
describe. Actually it is very much the opposite. Mechanical switches are the
least reliable.
Sent from my iPad
> On Mar 24, 2019, at 8:35 PM, Al Lorona wrote:
>
> Thaddeus sits down at the rig. Today is the day Bouvet
Thaddeus sits down at the rig. Today is the day Bouvet is supposed to come on
the air, and thousands of hams around the world must be tuning around at this
moment trying to be the first to work the DXpedition.
He gets a feeling and tunes low in the band, turning the knob as if he were
breaking
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