Re: [Elecraft] K3: vs a Collins S-line RX

2013-02-03 Thread Fred Smith
Bill

I think Mike K0AZ that is on this board might comment on that, he has to me
anyway. He does have a Collins line in his shack that he has compared to the
K3 as well as his Drake's.

Fred/N0AZZ

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Subject: [Elecraft] K3: vs a Collins S-line RX

It has been many years since I sat down to a Collins 75-S3. So long that I
cannot remember if they were really that good.

Anyone out there have a Collins receiver they'd care to compare to a K3? 
I am only interested in the quality of the receive audio. Of course there is
no DSP, memories, and all that.

Comments?

Thanks,

Bill W2BLC
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[Elecraft] Digest Vol 106, Issue 3 = Treasure trove

2013-02-03 Thread cx7tt
Although I appreciate the usual FB inputs to the forum, this issue was 
singularly spectacular.  The discussion on surge protection, for an 
appliance operator (my skill set is airplanes), was very instructional 
and educational.


The brilliance of PigKnob by N3WG and follow on suggestions opened the 
door to a lot of 'what ifs'.


Finally, Ron AC7AC, explanation of using AFV, one of the built in tools 
of the K3, for evaluating not only the K3 ATT/Preamp but also comparing 
antennas was exceptional.


Well done gentlemen, Bravo Zulu.  Just another example of the 
professionalism and high level of quality inputs.


73
Tom
CX7TT


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2013-02-03 Thread Ted Leonard


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Re: [Elecraft] [OT} Whole House Surge Protection

2013-02-03 Thread David Cutter
These were very popular in Kenya where black-outs, drop-outs, brown-outs, 
high surges

and spikes were common:
http://www.sollatek.com/product-list/voltshield/
http://www.sollatek.com/product-list/voltsafe/

Many fridges, freezers and all household equipment is saved using the 
plug-in units.  It was typical for the mains to read 400V (240V nom) when 
the power returned after a drop out and the little units would just hold off 
the load till those passed and a timer dropped back on.


David
G3UNA

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On Fri, 1 Feb 2013 11:59:00 -0600, Richard Fjeld wrote:


I built a box with an AC relay that locks up through it's own contacts.


Did the same thing, except that the path also goes through a timer relay
that doesn't energize the AC path relay until power has been on for at
least 30 seconds without interruption.

Gary
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[Elecraft] KTCXO3-1 TCXO

2013-02-03 Thread Chad Wasinger
Does anyone know the approximate warm-up/stabilize time of the KTCXO3-1?
Thanks,ChadN0YK



  
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 VCO Alignment only 0.02V @ R30

2013-02-03 Thread JeremyJones
So this morning I started rechecking everything.  I've found that the 5V on
U4 pin 5 is intermittent.  Not in a way that would indicate a loose or poor
connection, but either that it is there, or it isn't (mostly isn't) when
powering up the unit.  U7 always has the 5V on pin2.  I checked the
resistance between U7 pin2 and U4 pin 5 and found about 300k.  Looking at
the schematics however, it looks like U4 pin5 is actually connected to U7
pin5 (SDO).  There is less than 1 ohm of resistance between U4 pin5 and U7
pin5, so it would appear that U7 may have an issue.

The other odd thing is that even when there is 5V coming into U4 pin5, the
symptoms at R30 (0.020V) and the low band frequencies are still there.  It
looks like U7 may provide U4 a clock signal as well.

I was seeing the 8V at R30 after reflowing all of the joints near the PLL
Reference.  Could the increase in temperature in the are have triggered the
thermistor?

The only thing changed between having the 8V at R30 last night and then
losing it was the rewinding of T5 to bring it back up to 16 turns of red. 
The continuity checks are good through it, and L30 still changes the
frequency when adjusted.



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Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 behavior

2013-02-03 Thread Rich Heineck

Fred,

Most likely the battery temperature got up to 45 degrees C and charging 
was suspended until they cooled to 40 C.  Normally a message should 
appearwhen that happens.


73,
Rich  AC7MA


On 02/01/2013 12:02 PM, Fred Carvalho wrote:

Hi Folks. Sorry if this has been asked/explained before.
I have installed the KXBC3 NiMH Battery Charger module. I am using 2300mh/h
NiMH AA cells.
I have plugged a bench power supply with voltage/amp meters so I can check
what is going on. My cells were not empty, so I have chosen 4 hours charge.
I set the PS to 14VDC. The PS amp meter reads 390mA during the charging,
which is about 190mA for the rig RX drain plus 200mA for the batteries. So
far so good.
I monitor the elapsed time in the MENU/BAT CHG and the BAT voltage, which
goes up to 11.7V. After 1 hour and so, the elapsed time chronometer stops.
The PS amp meter reads only 190mA. So it seems that the charger stopped
charging. That is in-line with the fact that the battery was somewhat
charged.
I go to MENU/BAT CHG and turn the charger OFF. I also unplug the power
supply. The battery voltage drops to 11V on the screen.
In any phase of the process I got no error message.

Is this an expected behavior ? I have not seen anywhere an explanation of
what happens if the battery is totally charged. Is  the counter supposed to
stop, or it should keep on  sending charge to the battery until the total
programmed time elapses?.

Any input is appreciated. Thanks



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Re: [Elecraft] K2 VCO Alignment only 0.02V @ R30

2013-02-03 Thread Don Wilhelm

Jeremy,

U7 pin 2 and U4 pin 5 are both the SDO signal which comes from the 
microprocessor over on the control board.
If you have 300k resistance between those two points there is a break 
between them.


I don't know why you mention U7 pin 5 (unless it was a typo) because 
that pin is connected to ground.


U7 feeds U6A which in turn controls the voltage on the PLL varactors. 
Your PLL is working just fine, so there is no problem there.
Recheck the resistance between U4 pin 5 and U7 pin 2, or better yet 
between U4 pin 5 and pin 24 of U6 over on the Control Board - you should 
have close to zero ohms.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/3/2013 10:51 AM, JeremyJones wrote:

So this morning I started rechecking everything.  I've found that the 5V on
U4 pin 5 is intermittent.  Not in a way that would indicate a loose or poor
connection, but either that it is there, or it isn't (mostly isn't) when
powering up the unit.  U7 always has the 5V on pin2.  I checked the
resistance between U7 pin2 and U4 pin 5 and found about 300k.  Looking at
the schematics however, it looks like U4 pin5 is actually connected to U7
pin5 (SDO).  There is less than 1 ohm of resistance between U4 pin5 and U7
pin5, so it would appear that U7 may have an issue.

The other odd thing is that even when there is 5V coming into U4 pin5, the
symptoms at R30 (0.020V) and the low band frequencies are still there.  It
looks like U7 may provide U4 a clock signal as well.

I was seeing the 8V at R30 after reflowing all of the joints near the PLL
Reference.  Could the increase in temperature in the are have triggered the
thermistor?

The only thing changed between having the 8V at R30 last night and then
losing it was the rewinding of T5 to bring it back up to 16 turns of red.
The continuity checks are good through it, and L30 still changes the
frequency when adjusted.




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Re: [Elecraft] KTCXO3-1 TCXO

2013-02-03 Thread Matt Zilmer
A guess is 10-15 minutes.  I call it a guess because the KX3's TCXO is
either similar or identical to the K3's, and the setup for temperature
compensating the KX3's OSC requires 10-15 minutes of run time before
the procedure is started.

Even without the temp compensation, KX3 #6 was stable to +/- 5 Hz on
6m, well before 10 minutes passed by.

73,
matt W6NIA

On Sun, 03 Feb 2013 08:45:36 -0600, you wrote:

Does anyone know the approximate warm-up/stabilize time of the KTCXO3-1?
Thanks,ChadN0YK



 
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[Elecraft] KTCXO3-1 TCXO warm up time to stabilize

2013-02-03 Thread DeYoung James
Greetings,
 
I find that 3 hours in 70F room is required to reach stabilized frequency.
 
Jim, N8OQ
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 VCO Alignment only 0.02V @ R30

2013-02-03 Thread JeremyJones
Looking over the board I did find that I had U8 C45 connected to pin7 instead
of pin6.  That has been corrected.

U6 pin 24 to U4 pin5 is less than 1 ohm, however U6 pin24 to U7 pin2 is 300k
ohm.  I don't see any damage on the board.

I also noticed going back to the beginning for the resistance checks on the
control board that Q1 collector should be great than 1M, but is reading 5k.



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Re: [Elecraft] K2 VCO Alignment only 0.02V @ R30

2013-02-03 Thread Don Wilhelm

Jeremy,

Do I recall correctly that you had a good PLL range?  If so, I have 
trouble believing there would be 300k resistance from CB U6 pin 24 to RF 
U7 pin 2 while you have zero ohms to U4 pin 5.  Are you certain you 
counted the pins correctly?  Pin 1 has a circular solder pad and the 
rest are rectangular.


If you want to check the operation of RF board U7, monitor the DC 
voltage at pin 7 while rotating the VFO knob - the voltage should change 
gradually while tuning through a 10 kHz range and then jump back to its 
lowest (or highest depending on which way you rotate the knob) at the 
end of each 10 kHz interval.


Did you remove the Control Board when you made the measurement on the 
collector of Q1?  If not, then somewhere in the vicinity of 5 k is not 
unreasonable.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/3/2013 12:41 PM, JeremyJones wrote:

Looking over the board I did find that I had U8 C45 connected to pin7 instead
of pin6.  That has been corrected.

U6 pin 24 to U4 pin5 is less than 1 ohm, however U6 pin24 to U7 pin2 is 300k
ohm.  I don't see any damage on the board.

I also noticed going back to the beginning for the resistance checks on the
control board that Q1 collector should be great than 1M, but is reading 5k.



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[Elecraft] KTCXO3-1 TCXO

2013-02-03 Thread Edward R Cole

Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 08:45:36 -0600
From: Chad Wasinger chadwasin...@outlook.com
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] KTCXO3-1 TCXO
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Does anyone know the approximate warm-up/stabilize time of the KTCXO3-1?
Thanks,ChadN0YK

Chad,

I observed the action of my TCXO3-1 closely after initial 
installation of the EXREF.  I noted from cold start up that the TCXO 
was receiving a continued updated offset for about 20 to 30 minutes, 
whereby it stabilized out at about an offset of about 78-80.  From 
that time on the offset would only wander a couple points over several minutes.


A check of my 28-MHz transmit frequency accuracy was within 2-Hz 
(indicating 0.1 ppm) and would only occasionally change by 1-Hz 
reflecting the slow drift of the TCXO between reference checks with 
the external 10-MHz source.  Running the TCXO-3 without the EXREF 
accuracy is aprox. 0.5ppm or on 28-MHz this translates to a maximum 
error of +/- 14-Hz.


Freq. measurements are made with an EIP-538 microwave counter that is 
referenced to a Rubidium 10-MHz reference.  The K3EXREF is referenced 
to a separate OCXO  which is run on a battery full-time.  Short-term 
stability of the OCXO is +/-5 E-12, Long-term stability is +/-5 E-5 
which requires adjustment about every four months to correct about 
1-Hz long-term drift.  I have a 200K ten-turn helipot for adjusting 
the OCXO frequency.  I use my Rubidium as frequency reference which 
is +/- 5 E-11 after 30-min warmup.  GPS is more accurate but I find 
the Rubidium sufficient for my needs.  eg: 10-MHz is 1.0 E+7, 
multiplied by 5 E-11 = 5.0 E-4 Hz = 0.0005 Hz


See details of the EXREF (and TCXO3-1):
http://www.kl7uw.com/K3EXREF.htm

73, Ed - KL7UW

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[Elecraft] K3: vs a Collins S-line RX

2013-02-03 Thread Erik Basilier
Since nobody has answered yet, I will give it a shot, although it is
entirely subjective and not even based on recent observations. I am
commenting only about receive audio, and only ssb. I have a KWM-2, and had
the same question on my mind years ago. Here is what I recall. When I got
the KWM-2 I had an FT-1000D, and I noticed that ssb sounded much better in
the Collins, at the same 2.1 KHz filter width. I attributed this to two
separate effects: Class A audio power amp in the Collins vs push-pull
semiconductor pa in the Yaesu, and mechanical filter in the Collins vs. xtal
filters in the Yaesu. I think the mechanical filters may have less phase
distortion and less group delay variations than the xtal units; at least
that was my guess at the time. Then I sold the Yaesu and bought an early K3
#18xx. The K3 was much superior to both the other radios in almost every
respect, but the ssb receive audio was the rare exception. It was inferior
to the Collins. I felt it was also worse than the Yaesu, although both rigs
used xtal filters (not the whole K3 story; spare me the flames) and solid
state push pull audio pa's. Later I got Elecraft's hardware upgrades for the
rx audio, and they made a big difference. I now feel the K3 is at least as
good as the Yaesu. Still I don't feel it is as good as the Collins. Later
still I got a KX3. It sounds incredibly good in a certain sense that I
attribute to the selectivity being affected by on no xtal or mechanical
filters. OTOH I feel that its audio pa suffers from not being class A. So
the KX3 and the Collins have opposite strengths and weaknesses. Overall, the
KX3 wins over the Collins. So, with these radios to choose from, which one
do I turn on when I have time to get on the air? The K3 wins overall, and
not just because more tx power is available. It is just a little bit more
comfortable to operate. BTW I haven't experimented with running the K3 with
a roofing filter much wider than the DSP bandwidth; perhaps that would
improve the receive audio noticeably? Warning: The above are my subjective
observations and not supported by any measurements. I post this with much
hesitation. Probably some Elecraft detractor is going use it as
justification for writing something on another board to the effect that
Elecraft audio is bad. Shame on that person whoever it may be.

 

73, Erik K7TV

 

Bill W2BLC wrote:

It has been many years since I sat down to a Collins 75-S3. So long that I
cannot remember if they were really that good.

 

Anyone out there have a Collins receiver they'd care to compare to a K3? 

I am only interested in the quality of the receive audio. Of course there is
no DSP, memories, and all that.

 

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Re: [Elecraft] K2 VCO Alignment only 0.02V @ R30

2013-02-03 Thread JeremyJones
Rechecked the resistance, and indeed there is 300k from U6 pin 24 to U7 pin2. 
Looking at the schematic in the manual, it shows U6 pin24 connected to U7
pin5 and U8 pin11.  At this point I do have less than 1 ohm.

The schematic shows U6 pin23 connected to U7 pin2 which is reading less than
1 ohm.

The control board was removed when checking Q1, and it is showing 4.2k to
ground.



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Re: [Elecraft] K2 VCO Alignment only 0.02V @ R30

2013-02-03 Thread Don Wilhelm

Jeremy,

I am sorry, I had the wrong IC,  RF board U5 pin 2 should be connected 
to Control Board U6 pin 24.  Yes, it also connects to Control Board U7 
pin 5 and Control Board U8 pin 11, as well as RF board U4 pin 5.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/3/2013 3:45 PM, JeremyJones wrote:

Rechecked the resistance, and indeed there is 300k from U6 pin 24 to U7 pin2.
Looking at the schematic in the manual, it shows U6 pin24 connected to U7
pin5 and U8 pin11.  At this point I do have less than 1 ohm.

The schematic shows U6 pin23 connected to U7 pin2 which is reading less than
1 ohm.

The control board was removed when checking Q1, and it is showing 4.2k to
ground.



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2013-02-03 Thread Ted Leonard


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[Elecraft] 2013 Visalia Top Band Dinner

2013-02-03 Thread wb6rse1
Elecraft has donated a complete K-Line as a grand prize for the upcoming 
Visalia DX Convention.

http://www.dxconvention.com

Of additional interest:

The 2013 Visalia Top Band Dinner will be held on April 19, 2013. There will be 
a buffet dinner, door prizes including a Hi-Z Antennas  Hi-Z 4 level 2 (PLUS6 
Amps) System and a special program: Les Kalmus, W2LK: ZL9HR - The Auckland and 
Campbell Island 160m Challenge. 

Cost is $40 (USD) per person. For for further details and reservations please 
see:

http://www.dxconvention.com/pages/dinners-topband.html

73 - Steve WB6RSE
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 VCO Alignment only 0.02V @ R30

2013-02-03 Thread JeremyJones
No problem Don, you've been a huge help. 

So I went back to the beginning and did all resistance checks in the manual
up to this point and everything is good. 

PLL range test @ 7100.00khz gives me 12099.13 high and 12086.33 low. 
VCO @ 4000.10 gives me 7840.33

I do still have some bad voltages on U4 and U6 which I'm tracing now to see
where everything goes to and comes from. 





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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - ACC Connector - Band0-3 output indicator

2013-02-03 Thread N2TK, Tony
Finally got to make up an LED tester for both the Band0-3 and Digout1.
Everything looks fine. No problems selecting two antennas on all bands
160-6M.  I have the built in 2M transverter. On 2M I get , the same as
on 60M. But 2M selects Ant3. So I don't think there will be any problems.
Next phase later this week when I hook up the BCD-14 board.
73,
N2TK, Tony
 

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 7:37 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - ACC Connector - Band0-3 output indicator


 Has anyone built or bought some kind of 4-indicator for this? I want 
 to do this as a temporary indicator while I am playing with a pair of 
 UM BCD-14 band decoders.

Easy enough ... 4 NPN transistors - base to BAND0-3 pins, LED and limiting
resistor between +13.8 and collector of the transistors, emitter of the
transistor to ground.

  The  output on the KIO3 for 60M has me concerned.

Don't know why it should concern you.   is just another state and I
don't see  used for any other band *or* any transverter band.  Your
bigger concern might be the reuse of one of the other band values for 2
Meters depending on how you decode HF vs. the transverter bands.

73,

... Joe, W4TV


On 1/27/2013 6:29 PM, N2TK, Tony wrote:
 I would like to see (LED) the state of the BAND0-3 outputs. Has anyone 
 built or bought some kind of 4-indicator for this? I want to do this 
 as a temporary indicator while I am playing with a pair of UM BCD-14 
 band decoders.

 The BAND0-3 outputs come off of 5V through 2.2K pull-up resistors with 
 a 220 ohm resistor in series with the output on the ACC socket. It 
 would seem standard 20ma LED's would not work here with the 2.2K 
 resistor inline. Maybe a diode inline to isolate with a separate 
 supply on the LED's or use some very low amperage LEDs or drive a Mosfet
which drives a LED?



 The  output on the KIO3 for 60M has me concerned. I want to make 
 sure it doesn't cause me a problem when switching between 160-2M and 
 between auto antenna selection and manual antenna selection.



 Tnx for any feedback.



 73,

 N2TK, Tony

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Re: [Elecraft] K2 VCO Alignment only 0.02V @ R30

2013-02-03 Thread JeremyJones
So I really thing that U4 is faulty. It's putting out 5.029V on pin13 when
that should only be 4V. All the components surrounding it seem to have the
correct voltages according to the manual.  I think I'll replace that and see
how things look after. 



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Re: [Elecraft] K3: vs a Collins S-line RX

2013-02-03 Thread david Moes
 I have a rig that has many similarities to the Collins KWM-2.   The 
KW2000b made by KW Electronics in Great Britain is often compared to the 
Collins as it shares many similarities in design.It too has a 
mechanical filter  and very similar audio amp. Is the best sounding 
SSB rig I have (wish I had a Collins).  with  wonderful  receive audio. 
  Is it the mechanical filter or the class A audio amp?  I cant say for 
sure but there are many audiophiles out there, as well as those that 
play guitar and rely on the smooth and pleasant sound of the mighty 
vacuum tube. or in the case of the KW2000b the mighty valve.   As 
far as other receive qualities   if I could add DSP and narrow filters 
it would surely come close to the K3 in busy band conditions.at 
present it is a great rag chew and net rig but lacks in the tight 
conditions of contesting.   I will mirror Eriks comments that the K3 
receive audio is just fine and as good as any of my other solid state 
rigs. Surely it has no worries from truly qualified comments from 
Elecraft detractors.




On 2/3/2013 15:42, Erik Basilier wrote


Since nobody has answered yet, I will give it a shot, although it is
entirely subjective and not even based on recent observations. I am
commenting only about receive audio, and only ssb. I have a KWM-2, and had
the same question on my mind years ago. Here is what I recall. When I got
the KWM-2 I had an FT-1000D, and I noticed that ssb sounded much better in
the Collins, at the same 2.1 KHz filter width. I attributed this to two
separate effects: Class A audio power amp in the Collins vs push-pull
semiconductor pa in the Yaesu, and mechanical filter in the Collins vs. xtal
filters in the Yaesu. I think the mechanical filters may have less phase
distortion and less group delay variations than the xtal units; at least
that was my guess at the time. Then I sold the Yaesu and bought an early K3
#18xx. The K3 was much superior to both the other radios in almost every
respect, but the ssb receive audio was the rare exception. It was inferior
to the Collins. I felt it was also worse than the Yaesu, although both rigs
used xtal filters (not the whole K3 story; spare me the flames) and solid
state push pull audio pa's. Later I got Elecraft's hardware upgrades for the
rx audio, and they made a big difference. I now feel the K3 is at least as
good as the Yaesu. Still I don't feel it is as good as the Collins. Later
still I got a KX3. It sounds incredibly good in a certain sense that I
attribute to the selectivity being affected by on no xtal or mechanical
filters. OTOH I feel that its audio pa suffers from not being class A. So
the KX3 and the Collins have opposite strengths and weaknesses. Overall, the
KX3 wins over the Collins. So, with these radios to choose from, which one
do I turn on when I have time to get on the air? The K3 wins overall, and
not just because more tx power is available. It is just a little bit more
comfortable to operate. BTW I haven't experimented with running the K3 with
a roofing filter much wider than the DSP bandwidth; perhaps that would
improve the receive audio noticeably? Warning: The above are my subjective
observations and not supported by any measurements. I post this with much
hesitation. Probably some Elecraft detractor is going use it as
justification for writing something on another board to the effect that
Elecraft audio is bad. Shame on that person whoever it may be.

  


73, Erik K7TV

  


Bill W2BLC wrote:

It has been many years since I sat down to a Collins 75-S3. So long that I
cannot remember if they were really that good.

  


Anyone out there have a Collins receiver they'd care to compare to a K3?

I am only interested in the quality of the receive audio. Of course there is
no DSP, memories, and all that.

  


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Re: [Elecraft] K2 VCO Alignment only 0.02V @ R30

2013-02-03 Thread Don Wilhelm

Jeremy,

5.029 volts at U4 pin 13 means that the PLL synthesizer IC is working.  
Remember that the manual voltages are for a properly working K2 that has 
the PLL IC in lock with the VFO frequency.  Your voltage only indicates 
an out of lock condition.


What is the R30 voltage now with that 5.029 volts at U4 pin 13?  You 
should now have some voltage there.  Can you adjust that voltage with 
L30?  If so, you should now be able to get everything within the normal 
range.


If you are still seeing zero volts at the left side of R30, then U6B or 
its components is at fault, not U4.


73,
Don W3FPR


On 2/3/2013 8:31 PM, JeremyJones wrote:

So I really thing that U4 is faulty. It's putting out 5.029V on pin13 when
that should only be 4V. All the components surrounding it seem to have the
correct voltages according to the manual.  I think I'll replace that and see
how things look after.



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