Re: [Elecraft] Look familiar? Elecraft vs Ten Tec
Ron, What does catch my eye is the linear regulated 12V wall wart they offer. Like to have one of those for hotel-room portable with my KX1. Been watching for one but all I see nowadays are unregulated supplies, most of them dreaded switchers. How much current do you need? This looks like it's made for the KX-1: http://www.allelectronics.com/make-a-store/item/PS-1251/12-VDC-500-MA-REGULATED-POWER-SUPPLY//1.html 12V @ 500 mA regulated ... $8..50 each I have a couple around here and they're almost certainly analog - 16 oz not the 2 oz light weight switchers. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2/9/2011 2:17 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: It sure does, but note it's two bands instead of 4, no built-in ATU, no variable bandwidth I.F. filter (and, shoot, not even a built in light to read notes by in the field ;-) Just proves that all pretty faces aren't the same. What does catch my eye is the linear regulated 12V wall wart they offer. Like to have one of those for hotel-room portable with my KX1. Been watching for one but all I see nowadays are unregulated supplies, most of them dreaded switchers. Ron AC7AC -Original Message- Everyone saw this??? Ten Tec [made in China] pre-built Two Band CW QRP Transceiver - 40/20 Meters http://www.tentec.com/index.php?id=193 Also has a 40/30 meter option.. Original KX1 by Elecraft __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Look familiar? Elecraft vs Ten Tec
Ron wrote: There are other differences that are not apparent on the front panel. No CW keying waveform shaping, for one. The absolute worst feature of the R4020: Ten-Tec confirmed to me that the iambic keyer supports mode B only. I will never buy a rig with iambic keyer that functions in mode B only. (That is the only thing that caused me not to buy an IC-7000, a radio that allows many silly and superfluous features to be customized, yet does not allow the very important feature of iambic mode selection! Icom idiocy, but Yaesu and Kenwood do likewise. Even Small Wonder Labs provides Mode B only, but Jackson Harbor provided a PIC for the DSW to correct that fault. Elecraft is to be commended for standing out and providing selection. While I'm griping...notice that QST Product Reviews (like the one for the R4020) will spend a lot of text telling the reader how to do some odd-ball thing on the rig being reviewed, but will NEVER address iambic keyer mode.) There are a some good features to the R4020, compared to the KX1: (1) It has a four-pole IF crystal filter, something the KX1 needs to properly suppress receiving a signal on both sides of the zero-beat. (2) One doesn't have to waste time building the damned thing, which could be important. The KX1 has a reputation of being a bit finicky, especially if the four-band version is attempted. (3) It *does* have variable IF bandwidth (eight steps, IIRC). It's just not *continuously* variable. I don't like *continuously* variable IF BW. I'd rather have three steps like the K1. (4) It's a LOT less expensive. And when one factors in the value of one's own time saved not having to build it, it's a lot lot less expensive. (5) It apparently uses mostly surface mount components. Though it's not a kit, I wish kit manufacturers would use pre-assembled PCBs with all the mundane components pre-assembled. This is something that MFJ tried with their Cub QRP rigs. Good concept, imperfectly executed by MFJ. (6) It has a whole frequency display, out to 10 Hz resolution. The same outfit that builds the R4020 is producing kits for the TJ6A and TJ6A Pro six-band cw and ssb QRP rigs. This outfit could provide some real competition in a few years. Mike / KK5F __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Look familiar? Elecraft vs Ten Tec
So why not write a letter to the editor of QST making this point? Cheers, Lew K6LMP On Feb 9, 2011, at 11:55 PM, Mike Morrow wrote: While I'm griping...notice that QST Product Reviews (like the one for the R4020) will spend a lot of text telling the reader how to do some odd-ball thing on the rig being reviewed, but will NEVER address iambic keyer mode. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Look familiar? Elecraft vs Ten Tec
I thought this thread was closed yesterday?? Why not post your review on QRZ or one of the other appropriate sites that publish reviews of ham equipment? On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 02:55:57 -0500 (EST), Mike Morrow k...@earthlink.net wrote: Ron wrote: There are other differences that are not apparent on the front panel. No CW keying waveform shaping, for one. The absolute worst feature of the R4020: Ten-Tec confirmed to me that the iambic keyer supports mode B only. I will never buy a rig with iambic keyer that functions in mode B only. (That is the only thing that caused me not to buy an IC-7000, a radio that allows many silly and superfluous features to be customized, yet does not allow the very important feature of iambic mode selection! Icom idiocy, but Yaesu and Kenwood do likewise. Even Small Wonder Labs provides Mode B only, but Jackson Harbor provided a PIC for the DSW to correct that fault. Elecraft is to be commended for standing out and providing selection. While I'm griping...notice that QST Product Reviews (like the one for the R4020) will spend a lot of text telling the reader how to do some odd-ball thing on the rig being reviewed, but will NEVER address iambic keyer mode.) There are a some good features to the R4020, compared to the KX1: (1) It has a four-pole IF crystal filter, something the KX1 needs to properly suppress receiving a signal on both sides of the zero-beat. (2) One doesn't have to waste time building the damned thing, which could be important. The KX1 has a reputation of being a bit finicky, especially if the four-band version is attempted. (3) It *does* have variable IF bandwidth (eight steps, IIRC). It's just not *continuously* variable. I don't like *continuously* variable IF BW. I'd rather have three steps like the K1. (4) It's a LOT less expensive. And when one factors in the value of one's own time saved not having to build it, it's a lot lot less expensive. (5) It apparently uses mostly surface mount components. Though it's not a kit, I wish kit manufacturers would use pre-assembled PCBs with all the mundane components pre-assembled. This is something that MFJ tried with their Cub QRP rigs. Good concept, imperfectly executed by MFJ. (6) It has a whole frequency display, out to 10 Hz resolution. The same outfit that builds the R4020 is producing kits for the TJ6A and TJ6A Pro six-band cw and ssb QRP rigs. This outfit could provide some real competition in a few years. Mike / KK5F __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Look familiar? Elecraft vs Ten Tec
I believe Eric shut down the country bashing thread. Over the decade I've been on the Elecraft list we've had many discussions of how Elecraft products compare to others (or vice versa). 73, Ron AC7AC -Original Message- I thought this thread was closed yesterday?? Why not post your review on QRZ or one of the other appropriate sites that publish reviews of ham equipment? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Look familiar? Elecraft vs Ten Tec
Everyone saw this??? Ten Tec [made in China] pre-built Two Band CW QRP Transceiver - 40/20 Meters http://www.tentec.com/index.php?id=193 Also has a 40/30 meter option.. Original KX1 by Elecraft __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Look familiar? Elecraft vs Ten Tec
Hi Chuck, This was recently reviewed by QST. Since I'm totally biased, I'll recuse myself from the discussion, but suffice to say there are major differences between this rig and a KX1 :) 73, Wayne N6KR On Feb 9, 2011, at 10:52 AM, Chuck Mabbott wrote: Everyone saw this??? Ten Tec [made in China] pre-built Two Band CW QRP Transceiver - 40/20 Meters http://www.tentec.com/index.php?id=193 Also has a 40/30 meter option.. Original KX1 by Elecraft __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Look familiar? Elecraft vs Ten Tec
It sure does, but note it's two bands instead of 4, no built-in ATU, no variable bandwidth I.F. filter (and, shoot, not even a built in light to read notes by in the field ;-) Just proves that all pretty faces aren't the same. What does catch my eye is the linear regulated 12V wall wart they offer. Like to have one of those for hotel-room portable with my KX1. Been watching for one but all I see nowadays are unregulated supplies, most of them dreaded switchers. Ron AC7AC -Original Message- Everyone saw this??? Ten Tec [made in China] pre-built Two Band CW QRP Transceiver - 40/20 Meters http://www.tentec.com/index.php?id=193 Also has a 40/30 meter option.. Original KX1 by Elecraft __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Look familiar? Elecraft vs Ten Tec
Ten Tec [made in China] pre-built Two Band CW QRP Transceiver - 40/20 Meters http://www.tentec.com/index.php?id=193 Also has a 40/30 meter option.. No, not an option. You have to buy two of them: 40/20 plus 40/30 to get 40/30/20 And no fun of building your own rig! 73/2 de Peter, DL2FI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Look familiar? Elecraft vs Ten Tec
And of course you have all the advantages of a rig made in CHINA. Steve N4LQ - Original Message - From: Chuck Mabbott crmabb...@comcast.net To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 1:52 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Look familiar? Elecraft vs Ten Tec Everyone saw this??? Ten Tec [made in China] pre-built Two Band CW QRP Transceiver - 40/20 Meters http://www.tentec.com/index.php?id=193 Also has a 40/30 meter option.. Original KX1 by Elecraft __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Look familiar? Elecraft vs Ten Tec
Tnx for the suggestion Joe: The KX1 needs something closer to a 1-amp supply. It's rated at 800 mA depending upon supply voltage and power. I have some old 12V transformer type wall warts around here too, but aren't regulated - running up well above 15VDC unloaded - and are limited to about 500 mA. Ron AC7AC -Original Message- Ron, What does catch my eye is the linear regulated 12V wall wart they offer. Like to have one of those for hotel-room portable with my KX1. Been watching for one but all I see nowadays are unregulated supplies, most of them dreaded switchers. How much current do you need? This looks like it's made for the KX-1: http://www.allelectronics.com/make-a-store/item/PS-1251/12-VDC-500-MA-REGUL ATED-POWER-SUPPLY//1.html 12V @ 500 mA regulated ... $8..50 each I have a couple around here and they're almost certainly analog - 16 oz not the 2 oz light weight switchers. 73, ... Joe, W4TV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Look familiar? Elecraft vs Ten Tec
Ahh ... you mean like your cellphone, DVD player, most of your television, much of your computer, and at least some of the components in your K3? The country of origin of any product is not the issue ... the integrity and competency of the company that made it, the quality and reliability of the components they used, and the proximity and service policies of the company that sells it are. As an example, I'd much more readily purchase an item manufactured in China and distributed by TenTec than I would any product made in the USA by MFJ. Country bashing is myopic and mostly out of place in today's world. If we're going to talk about product comparisons, let's at least try to keep the discussion relevant. Dave AB7E On 2/9/2011 1:02 PM, Steve Ellington wrote: And of course you have all the advantages of a rig made in CHINA. Steve N4LQ - Original Message - From: Chuck Mabbottcrmabb...@comcast.net To:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 1:52 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Look familiar? Elecraft vs Ten Tec Everyone saw this??? Ten Tec [made in China] pre-built Two Band CW QRP Transceiver - 40/20 Meters http://www.tentec.com/index.php?id=193 Also has a 40/30 meter option.. Original KX1 by Elecraft __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Guys, Let's end this thread now. Country bashing etc. is way outside of the list guidelines. 73, Eric Elecraft List Moderator Ahh ... you mean like your cellphone, DVD player, most of your television, much of your computer, and at least some of the components in your K3? The country of origin of any product is not the issue . __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Look familiar? Elecraft vs Ten Tec
The MFJ 259B antenna analyzer is a pretty good piece of equipment and God Bless them MFJ also sells some useful components. I wonder if HyGain would be around at all if not for them. I am glad that MFJ is with us and feel they would be sorely missed if they should ever disappear. 73 Doug EI2CN -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Gilbert Sent: 09 February 2011 21:13 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Look familiar? Elecraft vs Ten Tec Ahh ... you mean like your cellphone, DVD player, most of your television, much of your computer, and at least some of the components in your K3? The country of origin of any product is not the issue ... the integrity and competency of the company that made it, the quality and reliability of the components they used, and the proximity and service policies of the company that sells it are. As an example, I'd much more readily purchase an item manufactured in China and distributed by TenTec than I would any product made in the USA by MFJ. Country bashing is myopic and mostly out of place in today's world. If we're going to talk about product comparisons, let's at least try to keep the discussion relevant. Dave AB7E On 2/9/2011 1:02 PM, Steve Ellington wrote: And of course you have all the advantages of a rig made in CHINA. Steve N4LQ - Original Message - From: Chuck Mabbottcrmabb...@comcast.net To:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 1:52 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Look familiar? Elecraft vs Ten Tec Everyone saw this??? Ten Tec [made in China] pre-built Two Band CW QRP Transceiver - 40/20 Meters http://www.tentec.com/index.php?id=193 Also has a 40/30 meter option.. Original KX1 by Elecraft __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Look familiar? Elecraft vs Ten Tec
On 2/9/2011 11:07 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: Hi Chuck, This was recently reviewed by QST. Since I'm totally biased, I'll recuse myself from the discussion, but suffice to say there are major differences between this rig and a KX1 :) Totally biased? Come on, Wayne! Way more differences than show in the photos. I got a chance to fool with one briefly. What I noticed: No continuously variable BW filter No integral paddle No ATU No log light [OK, I admit, not a big thing but I do use it] The 40/30 option is really just another radio covering those two bands. So 3 bands, 2 radios, $500. Somehow we're getting a little far afield from a trail radio, especially if I have to drag my Bencher along. My 40-30-20 KX1, paddle, Li-Poly battery, and ear buds weighs 0.62 lbs [9.92 oz, 281.23 g]. This is important in the Spartan Sprint and when you're hiking to some summit [alright, I can't hike anymore but there was a time when I did]. I wasn't impressed by the weight. I wasn't impressed that it had a TT label but isn't made by them and probably wasn't designed by them. They may discover that this seemed like a good idea at the time. The tuning had a definite step feel to me. Possibly it was configured for coarse tuning, but it was annoying. My hearing sucks and I really like to put the signal into the only narrow sweet spot I have left. It's annoying to have it jump from a little too low to a little too high. I'll hang onto my KX1 with ATU which will put 3 watts into the window screen, if I could find one that was conductive [they used to be]. I do like the linear regulated wall wart, might buy one for when we're on a road trip, or maybe Elecraft will offer one. In my book, it's nolo contendere. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2011 Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2011 - www.cqp.org __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Look familiar? Elecraft vs Ten Tec
There are other differences that are not apparent on the front panel. No CW keying waveform shaping, for one. Ron AC7AC -Original Message- Totally biased? Come on, Wayne! Way more differences than show in the photos. I got a chance to fool with one briefly. What I noticed: No continuously variable BW filter No integral paddle No ATU No log light [OK, I admit, not a big thing but I do use it] The 40/30 option is really just another radio covering those two bands. So 3 bands, 2 radios, $500. Somehow we're getting a little far afield from a trail radio, especially if I have to drag my Bencher along. My 40-30-20 KX1, paddle, Li-Poly battery, and ear buds weighs 0.62 lbs [9.92 oz, 281.23 g]. This is important in the Spartan Sprint and when you're hiking to some summit [alright, I can't hike anymore but there was a time when I did]. I wasn't impressed by the weight I'll hang onto my KX1 with ATU which will put 3 watts into the window screen, if I could find one that was conductive [they used to be]. I do like the linear regulated wall wart, might buy one for when we're on a road trip, or maybe Elecraft will offer one. In my book, it's nolo contendere. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2011 Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2011 - www.cqp.org __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
