Re: [Elecraft] Fred's vs Elecraft manuals de KE7X

2018-04-07 Thread kevinr 
I learn subjects more readily if they keep from diving into the 
mathematics on page one.  I don't find the math difficult it just 
distracts me from the broad brush strokes of concepts.  Once I get the 
idea firmly in my head the mathematics helps me dig deeper. But starting 
with the math just means it takes me longer to gain understanding.  
Unless it is a math (or physics) course :)  Show me examples, explain 
the examples, then dig into the equations.


   Kevin.  KD5ONS


On 04/07/2018 04:17 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:

That’s a great book, “The Art of Electronics”. Horowitz and Hill, Harvard and 
Rowland institute for Science. Interesting about the math. I learned the math, 
though, in EE courses and found that to be a plus. Math with an application.
Seemed like I was always taking the math course after I learned the math the 
semester before in an EE course.
Anyway, I bought the book when I was already on the job and it was a great 
source of ideas and understanding.
Chuck
KE9UW

Sent from my iPhone, cjack


On Apr 7, 2018, at 3:35 PM, Mike Markowski  wrote:

Many thanks to everyone who responded!  I have a clearer understanding now.

It reminds me of my own EE student days.  I found learning electronics 
challenging because our texts started with math and the useful properties of 
this or that circuit kind of fell out as a side effect or mini-miracle.  Then I 
discovered the text 'The Art of Electronics' which approached it from a 
different angle and things clicked much more naturally for me.

I like Skip K6DGW's description of the two approaches to Elecraft as 
orthogonal.  So I think I get it.  Thanks, all!

73,
Mike ab3ap


On 04/07/2018 03:05 PM, Cady, Fred wrote:
[...]  I found during my 40+ years as an EE prof that there are
various ways that people learn.Some are visual learners and learn by seeing 
diagrams and images, some can gain comprehension just be reading.Others are 
more hands-on learners, needing the “lab experience” to cement their 
understanding of the concepts.[...]
73,
Fred

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Re: [Elecraft] Fred's vs Elecraft manuals de KE7X

2018-04-07 Thread hawley, charles j jr 
That’s a great book, “The Art of Electronics”. Horowitz and Hill, Harvard and 
Rowland institute for Science. Interesting about the math. I learned the math, 
though, in EE courses and found that to be a plus. Math with an application. 
Seemed like I was always taking the math course after I learned the math the 
semester before in an EE course.
Anyway, I bought the book when I was already on the job and it was a great 
source of ideas and understanding.
Chuck
KE9UW

Sent from my iPhone, cjack 

> On Apr 7, 2018, at 3:35 PM, Mike Markowski  wrote:
> 
> Many thanks to everyone who responded!  I have a clearer understanding now.
> 
> It reminds me of my own EE student days.  I found learning electronics 
> challenging because our texts started with math and the useful properties of 
> this or that circuit kind of fell out as a side effect or mini-miracle.  Then 
> I discovered the text 'The Art of Electronics' which approached it from a 
> different angle and things clicked much more naturally for me.
> 
> I like Skip K6DGW's description of the two approaches to Elecraft as 
> orthogonal.  So I think I get it.  Thanks, all!
> 
> 73,
> Mike ab3ap
> 
>> On 04/07/2018 03:05 PM, Cady, Fred wrote:
>> [...]  I found during my 40+ years as an EE prof that there are
>> various ways that people learn.Some are visual learners and learn by seeing 
>> diagrams and images, some can gain comprehension just be reading.Others are 
>> more hands-on learners, needing the “lab experience” to cement their 
>> understanding of the concepts.[...]
>> 73,
>> Fred
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Re: [Elecraft] Fred's vs Elecraft manuals de KE7X

2018-04-07 Thread Mike Markowski 

Many thanks to everyone who responded!  I have a clearer understanding now.

It reminds me of my own EE student days.  I found learning electronics 
challenging because our texts started with math and the useful 
properties of this or that circuit kind of fell out as a side effect or 
mini-miracle.  Then I discovered the text 'The Art of Electronics' which 
approached it from a different angle and things clicked much more 
naturally for me.


I like Skip K6DGW's description of the two approaches to Elecraft as 
orthogonal.  So I think I get it.  Thanks, all!


73,
Mike ab3ap

On 04/07/2018 03:05 PM, Cady, Fred wrote:

[...]  I found during my 40+ years as an EE prof that there are
various ways that people learn.Some are visual learners and learn by 
seeing diagrams and images, some can gain comprehension just be 
reading.Others are more hands-on learners, needing the “lab experience” 
to cement their understanding of the concepts.[...]


73,

Fred

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Re: [Elecraft] Fred's vs Elecraft manuals de KE7X

2018-04-07 Thread Cady, Fred 
What makes the KE7X Elecraft book different than the Elecraft owner’s manuals?
Let’s start by saying the KE7X books do not have any information needed to 
operate the radios that is not in the Elecraft Owner’s manuals.  Owner’s 
manuals are by design succinct and concise descriptions of the controls and 
features of the radio.  Elecraft manuals are very well done but I found during 
my 40+ years as an EE prof that there are various ways that people learn.  Some 
are visual learners and learn by seeing diagrams and images, some can gain 
comprehension just be reading.  Others are more hands-on learners, needing the 
“lab experience” to cement their understanding of the concepts.  I’m a visual 
and hands-on learner.  When I first got my K3 I had trouble understanding how 
the sub receiver worked and what the different antenna switching options were.  
So I drew it out in a diagram and that made it much more clear to me.  If that 
helped me, wouldn’t it help others?  So the idea of a K3 book was born.  (The 
original title was to be “The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the K3” but I got talked 
out of that!)
The concept that takes these books beyond the Elecraft manuals is support for 
the visual, reading, and doing learning styles.There are many, many 
diagrams.   In the K3S book there are 131 diagrams, 16 on the sub receiver 
alone.  There are expanded explanations (and diagrams) for all radio operations 
and in-depth explanations of topics such as the various controls for the 
receiver’s AGC.  And to top it all off, most topics have a “lab exercise” that 
you can do sitting at your radio to make sure you understand the concept.
The printed versions of the books all have an index and, of course, the pdf 
versions can be easily searched for what you are looking for.
www.ke7x.com<http://www.ke7x.com> has more information on all 12 current KE7X 
Elecraft books with tables of contents and ordering information.


73,

Fred


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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fred's vs Elecraft manuals

Fred and all,

Can you describe in general how your books differ from Elecraft manuals?
  I haven't found Elecaft manuals to be lacking and very much like how
direct and concise they are.  Your books are popular, making me wonder
what you've added?

Tnx es 73!
Mike ab3ap

On 04/07/2018 11:39 AM, Cady, Fred wrote:
> Hi Neil
>
> No never did a K2 book.
>
> Sorry the 15% discount at Lulu doesn't apply to pdf files.
>
> The K3S, KX3, and KX2 hard copy books are only available through Elecraft.  
> Sorry about that too.
>
> Fred KE7X
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Re: [Elecraft] Fred's vs Elecraft manuals

2018-04-07 Thread David Gilbert 


Fred's manuals are more detailed and give more background on how or why 
you might use a particular control instead of just what it does.  I own 
his manuals for both the K3 and the KX2 and they were well worth it.


Dave



On 4/7/2018 11:04 AM, Mike Markowski wrote:

Fred and all,

Can you describe in general how your books differ from Elecraft 
manuals?  I haven't found Elecaft manuals to be lacking and very much 
like how direct and concise they are.  Your books are popular, making 
me wonder what you've added?


Tnx es 73!
Mike ab3ap

On 04/07/2018 11:39 AM, Cady, Fred wrote:

Hi Neil

No never did a K2 book.

Sorry the 15% discount at Lulu doesn't apply to pdf files.

The K3S, KX3, and KX2 hard copy books are only available through 
Elecraft.  Sorry about that too.


Fred KE7X

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Re: [Elecraft] Fred's vs Elecraft manuals

2018-04-07 Thread Fred Jensen 

Fair question.  From my perspective...

Elecraft manuals are well written and follow the pattern of all 
manufacturer's User Manuals.  They are like the "dash one" in the set of 
Air Force Tech Orders for some piece of equipment ... "How to fly the 
airplane."  They describe how to configure cables and other hardware, 
how to use the menu system, and how to operate the radio.


Fred's book approaches it sort of at right angles to Elecraft, delving 
much more deeply into why you would want to choose one configuration 
over another, the practical effects of various configuration options, 
etc.  It gives alternate tables and organization for some of the data 
that gets buried in larger tables in the Elecraft manual.  The Elecraft 
manual will tell you some setting is remembered by band ... Cady will 
follow that through with what it means in operational situations.


They are very much complementary, and I find I use them about equally.  
I have the spiral bound book, it lays flat on the desk and I can make 
notes in it.


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 4/7/2018 11:04 AM, Mike Markowski wrote:

Fred and all,

Can you describe in general how your books differ from Elecraft 
manuals?  I haven't found Elecaft manuals to be lacking and very much 
like how direct and concise they are.  Your books are popular, making 
me wonder what you've added?


Tnx es 73!
Mike ab3ap

On 04/07/2018 11:39 AM, Cady, Fred wrote:

Hi Neil

No never did a K2 book.

Sorry the 15% discount at Lulu doesn't apply to pdf files.

The K3S, KX3, and KX2 hard copy books are only available through 
Elecraft.  Sorry about that too.


Fred KE7X

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Re: [Elecraft] Fred's vs Elecraft manuals

2018-04-07 Thread donovanf 
Hi Mike, 


Fred's K3 manual is much more detailed than the Elecraft manual. 
I rarely use my Elecraft manual. 


My favorite is the pdf edition which is computer searchable 


You won't regret your investment! 


73 
Frank 
W3LPL 

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From: "Mike Markowski" <mike.ab...@gmail.com> 
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Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2018 6:04:28 PM 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fred's vs Elecraft manuals 

Fred and all, 

Can you describe in general how your books differ from Elecraft manuals? 
I haven't found Elecaft manuals to be lacking and very much like how 
direct and concise they are. Your books are popular, making me wonder 
what you've added? 

Tnx es 73! 
Mike ab3ap 

On 04/07/2018 11:39 AM, Cady, Fred wrote: 
> Hi Neil 
> 
> No never did a K2 book. 
> 
> Sorry the 15% discount at Lulu doesn't apply to pdf files. 
> 
> The K3S, KX3, and KX2 hard copy books are only available through Elecraft. 
> Sorry about that too. 
> 
> Fred KE7X 
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Re: [Elecraft] Fred's vs Elecraft manuals

2018-04-07 Thread Mike Markowski 

Fred and all,

Can you describe in general how your books differ from Elecraft manuals? 
 I haven't found Elecaft manuals to be lacking and very much like how 
direct and concise they are.  Your books are popular, making me wonder 
what you've added?


Tnx es 73!
Mike ab3ap

On 04/07/2018 11:39 AM, Cady, Fred wrote:

Hi Neil

No never did a K2 book.

Sorry the 15% discount at Lulu doesn't apply to pdf files.

The K3S, KX3, and KX2 hard copy books are only available through Elecraft.  
Sorry about that too.

Fred KE7X

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