Re: [Elecraft] "Random wire" vs Buddystick - myth, bias or luck?

2016-09-29 Thread Bill Frantz
Note: Even if you don't know CW, you can program a memory in the radio using the K3/K3S/KX3 utility to send the sequence. Just press the button to sent the sequence and look at the reverse beacon network. 73 Bill AE6JV On 9/29/16 at 3:47 AM, k...@charter.net (Larry Gauthier (K8UT)) wrote:

Re: [Elecraft] "Random wire" vs Buddystick - myth, bias or luck?

2016-09-29 Thread Matt Zilmer
Hi Michael, Couple of points - - Just about any random wire will work on some bands. "Work" just means you can tune it with the ATU, but it may or may not be very efficient. Otoh, putting *any* signal on the air is better than none. Tuning will be easiest the closer to odd multiples of a

Re: [Elecraft] "Random wire" vs Buddystick - myth, bias or luck?

2016-09-29 Thread Michael Wong
Thanks Matt: This is pretty close to what I have, but I’ve done a 36’ radiator and 13’ counterpoise. So maybe it’s in the details. I have my antenna wire (100’) wound on a kite string winder. I spool out what I calculate I need and the other end is connected to my BNC/banana adapter. So I have

Re: [Elecraft] "Random wire" vs Buddystick - myth, bias or luck?

2016-09-29 Thread Matt Zilmer
Hi Michael, If your KX3 has the ATU, you can use the following random wire for 20 through 10m, and it will work under all conditions I've come across. I've used it on 40m as well, but there are more dependencies on height of the radiator (to be effective). 28 foot radiator (I use #20

Re: [Elecraft] "Random wire" vs Buddystick - myth, bias or luck?

2016-09-29 Thread Michael Wong
Thanks everyone! Larry's was great, quickly actionable advice. I’ll do this the next time I go out. I don’t have a shack, and am still hunting around for a spot where I can try some of the other great suggestions (that I can fit in my backpack and if I actually find a spot where I can string up

Re: [Elecraft] "Random wire" vs Buddystick - myth, bias or luck?

2016-09-29 Thread Bill
That's great advice, Larry! Bill K9YEQ -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Larry Gauthier (K8UT) The most likely answer is "it depends." Despite the theoretical differences between the antennas, there are situational differences where

Re: [Elecraft] "Random wire" vs Buddystick - myth, bias or luck?

2016-09-29 Thread ANCLETUS ERNEST
I will tell you I have always tested random wire and ready made and home made vertical PVC and wire vertical antenna. I have always gotten better results from my vertical antennas. You can go to YouTube or on my QRZ page go to the bottom of the page and click on the video. I have been doing

Re: [Elecraft] "Random wire" vs Buddystick - myth, bias or luck?

2016-09-29 Thread Phil Hystad
I have used both a Buddipole and wire antennas out in the field during various birding trips — while my wife is stalking feathered friends with her camera, I set up a nice field operation with my KX3 and antennas. Often I have my pickup and I used to have great performance with an inverted-V

Re: [Elecraft] "Random wire" vs Buddystick - myth, bias or luck?

2016-09-29 Thread GRANT YOUNGMAN
I take some degree of umbrage with all of the comments that classify a shortened loaded vertical as a dummy load and a random wire (with or without a 9:1 balun, etc) as always better. I regularly use both. If I’m at the beach, I guess I could have two friends hold a 35’ wire 5’ off the

Re: [Elecraft] "Random wire" vs Buddystick - myth, bias or luck?

2016-09-29 Thread w4grj
@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] "Random wire" vs Buddystick - myth, bias or luck? As the real resistance grows larger compared with the radiation resistance, then more of the power is converted to heat in the real resistance rather than radiated as RF. 73 Bill AE6JV On 9/28/1

Re: [Elecraft] "Random wire" vs Buddystick - myth, bias or luck?

2016-09-29 Thread Don Lewis (KI4D)
...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Michael A. Wong Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 1:01 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] "Random wire" vs Buddystick - myth, bias or luck? Hey folks, KX3 and Buddistick owner here. I've been getting a lot of feedback that I would get better perform

Re: [Elecraft] "Random wire" vs Buddystick - myth, bias or luck?

2016-09-29 Thread Mike Morrow
Michael A. Wong (who declines to provide his call sign) writes; > KX3 and Buddistick owner here. Great on the former...my sympathies on the latter. :-) > Mainly, I'm on 20m and maybe I haven't read the right book on random wire > antennas, Remove the words "maybe" and "random wire". If you

Re: [Elecraft] "Random wire" vs Buddystick - myth, bias or luck?

2016-09-29 Thread Larry Gauthier (K8UT)
carry both antennas use the one that's working. -larry (K8UT) -Original Message- From: Michael A. Wong Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 1:01 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] "Random wire" vs Buddystick - myth, bias or luck? Hey folks, KX3 and Bud

Re: [Elecraft] "Random wire" vs Buddystick - myth, bias or luck?

2016-09-29 Thread Vic Rosenthal
Michael, If received signals are stronger on the wire, almost certainly transmitted ones are too. If you really want to know which is better, arrange some way to switch between them quickly so you can do an a-b comparison. With the K3's tuner, this is easy, but I believe the KX3 tuner only

Re: [Elecraft] "Random wire" vs Buddystick - myth, bias or luck?

2016-09-28 Thread Bill Frantz
As the real resistance grows larger compared with the radiation resistance, then more of the power is converted to heat in the real resistance rather than radiated as RF. 73 Bill AE6JV On 9/28/16 at 10:27 PM, j...@audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) wrote: {Radiation resistance is a

Re: [Elecraft] "Random wire" vs Buddystick - myth, bias or luck?

2016-09-28 Thread Jim Brown
On Wed,9/28/2016 10:01 PM, Michael A. Wong wrote: KX3 and Buddistick owner here. I've been getting a lot of feedback that I would get better performance (more contacts) with a random wire vs my Buddistick. So, while I've noticed that reception is much better with the wire, with the

[Elecraft] "Random wire" vs Buddystick - myth, bias or luck?

2016-09-28 Thread Michael A. Wong
Hey folks, KX3 and Buddistick owner here. I've been getting a lot of feedback that I would get better performance (more contacts) with a random wire vs my Buddistick. So, while I've noticed that reception is much better with the wire, with the Buddistick, I get 1.1:1 according to the KX3 and