Re: [Elecraft] Fw: Don't have a 50W dummy load

2015-03-26 Thread Edward R Cole

Just stop all this and go buy one
Lots of them listed under Ham Radio Dummy Load on e-bay at about a 
buck a watt.


I bought a NARDA 40w load with N-connector good to 12.6 GHz for $40 
(from a friend on-line).

Yeah I had a 100w light bulb and a Heath Cantenna way back

Now mine mostly made by Bird, NARDA, M/A, Midwest MW, etc.  My 500w 
is made by Sierra and I paid maybe $50 at a flea market (it has 
built-in power meter).  SWR is not quite 1:1.00 (1.4 as I recall) - so what.


73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
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Re: [Elecraft] Fw: Don't have a 50W dummy load

2015-03-26 Thread DGB

Checked my Cantenna today, 78 ohms.

Took it apart, even measured the raw resistor.

Ordered a replacement from Alan W1GA as someone else mentioned.

eBay # 221724743523 for description and options

Easy disassembly and price war right ... $24.50 shipped.

Thanks for all the info on DL's.

73 Dwight NS9I

On 3/26/2015 12:17 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:

Just stop all this and go buy one
Lots of them listed under Ham Radio Dummy Load on e-bay at about a 
buck a watt.


I bought a NARDA 40w load with N-connector good to 12.6 GHz for $40 
(from a friend on-line).

Yeah I had a 100w light bulb and a Heath Cantenna way back

Now mine mostly made by Bird, NARDA, M/A, Midwest MW, etc.  My 500w is 
made by Sierra and I paid maybe $50 at a flea market (it has built-in 
power meter).  SWR is not quite 1:1.00 (1.4 as I recall) - so what.


73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
Kits made by KL7UW
Dubus Mag business:
dubus...@gmail.com

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Re: [Elecraft] Fw: Don't have a 50W dummy load

2015-03-26 Thread Brian -
I think I have a roll of 12 Ohm 2w resistors at home.  If you use 9 in
series and 8 in series, then connect those two stacks in parallel, you will
get 50.8 ohms, and I think about 20w of power handling...not sure on the
power...if someone wants to run that through the Cray and get the exact
number, I'd be thrilled to know it.

I will give away a set of 17 resistors to anyone that mails me a postage
paid, 4 by 6 inch, padded envelope.  I think two stamps will do it...maybe
three if you are having doubts.  I have used these in homebrew dummy loads
and crammed it in a Altoids tinyou need to supply a connector and the
Altoids tin.

My address is good on QRZ...

BUT WAIT UNTIL I GET HOME TONIGHT TO MAKE SURE I STILL HAVE THEM.  The
spool had about 400 on it...so I hope I have it.  I'll post again tonight.

73 de KB9BVN
Brian Murrey


On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Richard Solomon w1...@earthlink.net
wrote:

 You can often find Dummy loads at your local Ham Flea. I found two 50 Watt
 Birds
 for $10 each at the last one.

 73, Dick, W1KSZ


 On 3/26/2015 11:15 AM, Fred Jensen wrote:

 Mine works fine at 220, VSWR on 440 is about 1.3:1 and rising fast.  On
 the QRP one I made, I left about 1 leads on the resistors, I had a small
 brass tube to connect the center conductor down to the bottom plate and I
 didn't want to cut it.  VSWR on 6 meters is 1.6:1.

 73,

 Fred K6DGW
 - Northern California Contest Club
 - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
 - www.cqp.org

 On 3/25/2015 8:13 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:

 Yes, but the inductances are all in parallel.  I built a decent dummy
 load out of 24, 1200 Ohm, 10 watt wire wound resistors all in parallel
 between two squares of fiberglass PC board.  The SWR was only about
 1.2:1 on 15 Meters and about 1.5:1 on 10 meters.   Admittedly, not a
 perfect load, but certainly adequate for the low bands just to soak up
 some RF.

 73, Charlie k3ICH


 If you're going to use the paralleled metal film resistor construction
 method, be sure to keep the resistor leads short and spaced them from
 each other.  Lead inductance will start to become a factor on 6 m and
 up.  I built mine with 40 2K 2W resistors and it works find at 100W if
 used intermittently.  It's air cooled.  Don't know how much putting it
 in oil would improve the dissipation.


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Re: [Elecraft] Fw: Don't have a 50W dummy load

2015-03-26 Thread Fred Jensen
Mine works fine at 220, VSWR on 440 is about 1.3:1 and rising fast.  On 
the QRP one I made, I left about 1 leads on the resistors, I had a 
small brass tube to connect the center conductor down to the bottom 
plate and I didn't want to cut it.  VSWR on 6 meters is 1.6:1.


73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
- www.cqp.org

On 3/25/2015 8:13 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:

Yes, but the inductances are all in parallel.  I built a decent dummy
load out of 24, 1200 Ohm, 10 watt wire wound resistors all in parallel
between two squares of fiberglass PC board.  The SWR was only about
1.2:1 on 15 Meters and about 1.5:1 on 10 meters.   Admittedly, not a
perfect load, but certainly adequate for the low bands just to soak up
some RF.

73, Charlie k3ICH


If you're going to use the paralleled metal film resistor construction
method, be sure to keep the resistor leads short and spaced them from
each other.  Lead inductance will start to become a factor on 6 m and
up.  I built mine with 40 2K 2W resistors and it works find at 100W if
used intermittently.  It's air cooled.  Don't know how much putting it
in oil would improve the dissipation.


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Re: [Elecraft] Fw: Don't have a 50W dummy load

2015-03-26 Thread Richard Solomon
You can often find Dummy loads at your local Ham Flea. I found two 50 
Watt Birds

for $10 each at the last one.

73, Dick, W1KSZ

On 3/26/2015 11:15 AM, Fred Jensen wrote:
Mine works fine at 220, VSWR on 440 is about 1.3:1 and rising fast.  
On the QRP one I made, I left about 1 leads on the resistors, I had a 
small brass tube to connect the center conductor down to the bottom 
plate and I didn't want to cut it.  VSWR on 6 meters is 1.6:1.


73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
- www.cqp.org

On 3/25/2015 8:13 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:

Yes, but the inductances are all in parallel.  I built a decent dummy
load out of 24, 1200 Ohm, 10 watt wire wound resistors all in parallel
between two squares of fiberglass PC board.  The SWR was only about
1.2:1 on 15 Meters and about 1.5:1 on 10 meters.   Admittedly, not a
perfect load, but certainly adequate for the low bands just to soak up
some RF.

73, Charlie k3ICH


If you're going to use the paralleled metal film resistor construction
method, be sure to keep the resistor leads short and spaced them from
each other.  Lead inductance will start to become a factor on 6 m and
up.  I built mine with 40 2K 2W resistors and it works find at 100W if
used intermittently.  It's air cooled.  Don't know how much putting it
in oil would improve the dissipation.


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Re: [Elecraft] Fw: Don't have a 50W dummy load

2015-03-26 Thread mundschenk55
Brings back memories
My cantenna as a kid needed transformer oil. My Dad used to work at the local 
hydro plant. Got a whole gallon of the best PCB oil no money can buy.
73 Russ KD4JO


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Date:03/26/2015  1:28 PM  (GMT-05:00)
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fw:   Don't have a 50W dummy load

Checked my Cantenna today, 78 ohms.

Took it apart, even measured the raw resistor.

Ordered a replacement from Alan W1GA as someone else mentioned.

eBay # 221724743523 for description and options

Easy disassembly and price war right ... $24.50 shipped.

Thanks for all the info on DL's.

73 Dwight NS9I

On 3/26/2015 12:17 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:
 Just stop all this and go buy one
 Lots of them listed under Ham Radio Dummy Load on e-bay at about a
 buck a watt.

 I bought a NARDA 40w load with N-connector good to 12.6 GHz for $40
 (from a friend on-line).
 Yeah I had a 100w light bulb and a Heath Cantenna way back

 Now mine mostly made by Bird, NARDA, M/A, Midwest MW, etc.  My 500w is
 made by Sierra and I paid maybe $50 at a flea market (it has built-in
 power meter).  SWR is not quite 1:1.00 (1.4 as I recall) - so what.

 73, Ed - KL7UW
 http://www.kl7uw.com
 Kits made by KL7UW
 Dubus Mag business:
 dubus...@gmail.com

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Re: [Elecraft] Fw: Don't have a 50W dummy load

2015-03-26 Thread Fred Jensen
When I came home from Vietnam in 1967, my new wife bought me a Swan 500. 
 Our next station was to NASA in Houston.  We got settled into an 
apartment, and I needed to fill my Cantenna so on Sunday [first clue], 
we went to the local grocery store to get a gallon of Squibb mineral 
oil.  It only came in quarts so I put 4 in the basket.  Checking out, 
the clerk, with a big grin, [second clue] said, You're going to drink 
all of that, right?  Before I could say, Give me a break!, she 
continued, Because if you're not, I can't sell it to you on Sunday.  I 
answered, Yes, she rang it up, and with the same big grin, said as we 
left, Hope it works for ya'll.


73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
- www.cqp.org

On 3/26/2015 12:53 PM, mundschenk55 wrote:

Brings back memories My cantenna as a kid needed transformer oil.
My Dad used to work at the local hydro plant. Got a whole gallon of
the best PCB oil no money can buy. 73 Russ KD4JO

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Re: [Elecraft] Fw: Don't have a 50W dummy load

2015-03-26 Thread Jim Brown
These are the sort of things i look for at hamfests and other electronic 
flea markets (what the locals call swap meets).  I have several 10W 50 
ohm loads, 100W loads, and even one 500W load. All are commercial 
quality, removed from 2-way or cell sites. And, of course, as others 
have noted, always bring along a little VOM and look at the DC 
resistance before buying. :)


73, Jim K9YC


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Re: [Elecraft] Fw: Don't have a 50W dummy load

2015-03-25 Thread Bill Turner
 ORIGINAL MESSAGE (may be snipped)

On Wed, 25 Mar 2015 12:05:18 -0700, you wrote:

The key word is Resistive.

REPLY:

I have used light bulbs in the olden days, although not for the K3 cal
procedure. The trick is to insert a variable cap in series to tune out
the reactance. Works well, but has to be retuned for each band of
course, and the resistance varies with brightness. Because of the
variation, do not use with an automatic antenna tuner or the tuner
will constantly seek a correct tune. 

A real dummy load is better. 

73, Bill W6WRT
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Re: [Elecraft] Fw: Don't have a 50W dummy load

2015-03-25 Thread Don Wilhelm

I suspect the TX Gain Calibration would fail due to High SWR.
Yes, TX CAL will do that.  You need a good 50 ohm non-reactive dummy 
load good to 54MHz.


Light bulbs worked well with old transmitters that had an output circuit 
that could match most anything.  We did not need tuners back then - but 
then along came limited range transmitter output circuits which 
sometimes needed a tuner, but today's transmitters need to see a 50 ohm 
non-reactive load if they are to work properly - and then tuners became 
essential - they just moved the matching network out of the transmitter 
and put the equivalent into another box called an antenna tuner.


73,
Don W3FPR

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  HOW ABOUT A LAMP WITH 100 WATT BLUB, THATS ALL US OLD GUYS HAD!   73s Bob W5RG




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Re: [Elecraft] Fw: Don't have a 50W dummy load

2015-03-25 Thread Matt VK2RQ
For the calibration procedure, you need the load to be a known 50 ohm resistive 
impedance. Using a 100W light bulb will not provide the required impedance, and 
will produce inaccurate results and possible damage the transceiver.

73, Matt VK2RQ

 On 26 Mar 2015, at 5:25 am, Bob Gibson via Elecraft 
 elecraft@mailman.qth.net wrote:
 
  HOW ABOUT A LAMP WITH 100 WATT BLUB, THATS ALL US OLD GUYS HAD!   73s Bob 
 W5RG
 
- Forwarded Message -
  From: Warren Merkel hullspee...@gmail.com
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 1:17 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Don't have a 50W dummy load
 
 That kit from OHR looks nicely done.  I wonder if the pcb was immersed in a 
 gallon can of mineral oil instead of the included case, how much more power 
 could it withstand then?  5x-10x maybe?  I could use the enclosure for 
 something else. Otherwise I'd get a full paint can kit off ebay for about the 
 same $.
 
 Warren KD4Z
 
 On March 24, 2015 5:39:04 PM EDT, Brian kb9...@gmail.com wrote:
 Excellent advice Don.  I bought a 100w dummy load kit from OHR. It's 
 called the RFL-100 and it's about $40, comes in a very nice cabinet,
 and 
 takes less than an hour to build.  It has come in handy more times than
 
 I can count.
 
 http://www.ohr.com/rfl100.htm
 
 Oak Hills has some good goods.
 
 73 de KB9BVN
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[Elecraft] Fw: Don't have a 50W dummy load

2015-03-25 Thread Bob Gibson via Elecraft
 HOW ABOUT A LAMP WITH 100 WATT BLUB, THATS ALL US OLD GUYS HAD!   73s Bob W5RG

- Forwarded Message -
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 Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 1:17 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Don't have a 50W dummy load
   
That kit from OHR looks nicely done.  I wonder if the pcb was immersed in a 
gallon can of mineral oil instead of the included case, how much more power 
could it withstand then?  5x-10x maybe?  I could use the enclosure for 
something else. Otherwise I'd get a full paint can kit off ebay for about the 
same $.

Warren KD4Z

On March 24, 2015 5:39:04 PM EDT, Brian kb9...@gmail.com wrote:
Excellent advice Don.  I bought a 100w dummy load kit from OHR. It's 
called the RFL-100 and it's about $40, comes in a very nice cabinet,
and 
takes less than an hour to build.  It has come in handy more times than

I can count.

http://www.ohr.com/rfl100.htm

Oak Hills has some good goods.

73 de KB9BVN
Brian Murrey


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Re: [Elecraft] Fw: Don't have a 50W dummy load

2015-03-25 Thread EricJ
Us old guys had tough tube transmitters with widely tunable output 
networks that made the rigs more tolerant to our general abuse of known 
electronic theory.


Eric
KE6US



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HOW ABOUT A LAMP WITH 100 WATT BLUB, THATS ALL US OLD GUYS HAD! 73s Bob 
W5RG

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Re: [Elecraft] Fw: Don't have a 50W dummy load

2015-03-25 Thread Mike Reublin NF4L
That will cause the owl to blink, thus losing orientation to True North.

Mike NF4L

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 HOW ABOUT A LAMP WITH 100 WATT BLUB, THATS ALL US OLD GUYS HAD!   73s Bob W5RG
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Fw: Don't have a 50W dummy load

2015-03-25 Thread Cliff Frescura
 Using a 100W light bulb will not provide the required impedance, and will
produce inaccurate results and possible damage the transceiver.

True, also - In the old days there was no need to specify *incandescent*
light bulb.  Wonder what would happen with a CFL or LED lamp (do not try
this)?

The key word is Resistive.

73,

Cliff K3LL

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Matt
VK2RQ
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 11:52 AM
To: Bob Gibson
Cc: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fw: Don't have a 50W dummy load

For the calibration procedure, you need the load to be a known 50 ohm
resistive impedance. Using a 100W light bulb will not provide the required
impedance, and will produce inaccurate results and possible damage the
transceiver.

73, Matt VK2RQ

 On 26 Mar 2015, at 5:25 am, Bob Gibson via Elecraft
elecraft@mailman.qth.net wrote:
 
  HOW ABOUT A LAMP WITH 100 WATT BLUB, THATS ALL US OLD GUYS HAD!   73s Bob
W5RG
 
- Forwarded Message -
  From: Warren Merkel hullspee...@gmail.com
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 1:17 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Don't have a 50W dummy load
 
 That kit from OHR looks nicely done.  I wonder if the pcb was immersed in
a gallon can of mineral oil instead of the included case, how much more
power could it withstand then?  5x-10x maybe?  I could use the enclosure for
something else. Otherwise I'd get a full paint can kit off ebay for about
the same $.
 
 Warren KD4Z
 
 On March 24, 2015 5:39:04 PM EDT, Brian kb9...@gmail.com wrote:
 Excellent advice Don.  I bought a 100w dummy load kit from OHR. It's 
 called the RFL-100 and it's about $40, comes in a very nice cabinet, 
 and takes less than an hour to build.  It has come in handy more 
 times than
 
 I can count.
 
 http://www.ohr.com/rfl100.htm
 
 Oak Hills has some good goods.
 
 73 de KB9BVN
 Brian Murrey
 
 
 --
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Re: [Elecraft] Fw: Don't have a 50W dummy load

2015-03-25 Thread Fred Jensen
Ummm ... several reasons.  Resistance component of an incandescent bulb 
impedance varies with the temperature [brightness] of the filament. 
They are also somewhat reactive.  Push-pull vacuum tubes and link 
coupling didn't care about SWR, I don't even remember the term in the 
ham lexicon until the Pi-network and 50 ohm output was invented.


They're also not very good at the dummy part.  N6BT, of Force 12 fame, 
is fairly famous for his phased illuminator, 3 300 watt bulbs mounted 
on his deck railing in a V arrangement on which he worked all 
continents.  More than once I made contacts while using a 100 watt bulb 
as my dummy load.


If you're going to use the paralleled metal film resistor construction 
method, be sure to keep the resistor leads short and spaced them from 
each other.  Lead inductance will start to become a factor on 6 m and 
up.  I built mine with 40 2K 2W resistors and it works find at 100W if 
used intermittently.  It's air cooled.  Don't know how much putting it 
in oil would improve the dissipation.


73,

Fred K6DGW
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On Mar 25, 2015, at 14:25, Bob Gibson via Elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
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HOW ABOUT A LAMP WITH 100 WATT BLUB, THATS ALL US OLD GUYS HAD!   73s Bob W5RG


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Re: [Elecraft] Fw: Don't have a 50W dummy load

2015-03-25 Thread Charlie T, K3ICH
Yes, but the inductances are all in parallel.  I built a decent dummy load 
out of 24, 1200 Ohm, 10 watt wire wound resistors all in parallel between 
two squares of fiberglass PC board.  The SWR was only about 1.2:1 on 15 
Meters and about 1.5:1 on 10 meters.   Admittedly, not a perfect load, but 
certainly adequate for the low bands just to soak up some RF.


73, Charlie k3ICH




If you're going to use the paralleled metal film resistor construction 
method, be sure to keep the resistor leads short and spaced them from each 
other.  Lead inductance will start to become a factor on 6 m and up.  I 
built mine with 40 2K 2W resistors and it works find at 100W if used 
intermittently.  It's air cooled.  Don't know how much putting it in oil 
would improve the dissipation.


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