Returning to the original subject ... I've found:
1. Power, by itself, is usually one of the lesser factors in such cases
of interference. It does come into play in #3/#4 below
2. Audio input level is a big contributor when it's set too high and
you're saturating the PA.
3. Phase noise
...also, I don't think there *would* be anything wrong with sharing the
factual details of a dispute if you've made a good faith effort to resolve
it privately and gotten nowhere?
"Don't say anything disparaging about anyone else in the group" can end up
papering over a *ton* of (technical or
It might have been derogatory if I had named the other guy as you asked me to
do; the information I shared is absolutely true. What's your problem?
Richard
> On Nov 26, 2021, at 4:52 PM, Bob McGraw wrote:
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> Richard:
>
> May I suggest you refrain from posting derogatory or incorrect
Are at this AGAIN !
WA6VAB Ray K3
From: Bob McGraw
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To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
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Does he blot out your K3S on all bands, or just if you if both are on
the same band?
I have some avid DX'ers within 20 miles
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How much, power, exactly, is this fellow running?
On Nov 11, 2021, at 8:16 AM, Richard wrote:
There's a major jerk who lives within about 20 miles of me who ru
] Legal Limit With FT8
How much, power, exactly, is this fellow running?
> On Nov 11, 2021, at 8:16 AM, Richard wrote:
>
> There's a major jerk who lives within about 20 miles of me who runs BIG
power with FT8. When he's on the air, he blots out my K3S so his is the only
signal on the
How much, power, exactly, is this fellow running?
> On Nov 11, 2021, at 8:16 AM, Richard wrote:
>
> There's a major jerk who lives within about 20 miles of me who runs BIG power
> with FT8. When he's on the air, he blots out my K3S so his is the only signal
> on the waterfall, the only signal
Re; Tail-ending, He who hesitates is lost, or as a Navy sky diver once told me,
"He who hesitates shall inherit the Earth."
Classic tail-ending is calling BEFORE the last guy is finished. So while the
previous guy is sending 73, good bye, hasta la vista, hope to work you again
soon, you
I'm aware of the concept of tail-ending. I was wondering how it could be
applied in the context of FT8 which has a proscribed timing structure.
If I'm S I wait until I see a 73 or RR73 and immediately enable TX.
The timing is then determined by the PC clock. An exchange or not is
determined
You are confusing "operating practice" with "skill". A skill is something
that takes time & practice to learn. The poor operating procedures you
describe could be solved with nothing more than an explanation to the
offender.
John AE5X
https://ae5x.blogspot.com
Andy, k3wyc:
>FT mode skill is not
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elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Legal Limit With FT8 Please
explain "effectively tail-end" using FT8.Regards,Mike VP8NOOn 11/11/2021 21:03,
Andy Durbin wrote:> "I have DXCC on RTTY and refuse to add FT QSOs to my total.
They are different thin
NEVER call on the current QSO frequency.
which can easily be done by looking at the waterfall... and moving the
TX ( red) bracket to a open area on the waterfall...
which, while not guaranteeing the freq is open at the other end, at
least it's open at your side
On 11/12/2021 8:56 AM,
I figured I'd get somebody riled up. I will give you that a modicum of skill is
useful in frequency selection. However, when DXing, the DX station sets the
sequence, you don't get to pick it. So the best you can do is to not transmit
once in a while so you can see the competing callers (if
"Please explain "effectively tail-end" using FT8."
To tail end is, at least in my terminology, to call a station at the end of
their current QSO without waiting for them to call CQ.
To tail-end effectively means, at least in my terminology, to call the station
without causing QRM to their
Please explain "effectively tail-end" using FT8.
Regards,
Mike VP8NO
On 11/11/2021 21:03, Andy Durbin wrote:
"I have DXCC on RTTY and refuse to add FT QSOs to my total. They are different
things. RTTY requires some skill."
You seem to imply that FT modes require no skill. I disagree.
"I have DXCC on RTTY and refuse to add FT QSOs to my total. They are different
things. RTTY requires some skill."
You seem to imply that FT modes require no skill. I disagree. There are
complete LIDS using the modes and there are others who carefully pick TX
frequencies to avoid QRM to a
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> > Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2021 08:16:42 -0500
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Welcome to the land of unintended consequences. To my personal dismay these
modes have taken off in the DX chasing biz. (I have a friend who has been on
many many big-time DXpeditions and is giddy about using FT8, since the DX end
can sit back and drink coffee). Show me a DXer who doesn't
But smarter, ...that takes knowledge and skill.
73
Bob, K4TAX
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When that happens to me, I just ensure that I TX at the same time as the
STRONG signal, at the oppsite end of the audio passband, it usually
works good and allows me to make contacts.
Gordon - N1MGO
On 11/11/2021 8:16 AM, Richard wrote:
There's a major jerk who lives within about 20 miles of
Of Richard
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2021 7:17 AM
To: Elecraft Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Legal Limit With FT8
There's a major jerk who lives within about 20 miles of me who runs BIG
power with FT8. When he's on the air, he blots out my K3S so his is the only
signal on the waterfall
On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 5:18 AM Richard wrote:
> There's a major jerk who lives within about 20 miles of me who runs BIG
> power with FT8. When he's on the air, he blots out my K3S so his is the
> only signal on the waterfall, the only signal the decoder sees. When his
> BIG POWER is on the air,
I use whatever power is required to make the intended QSO. It really bugs me
when people brag about their prowess with QRP operations when they don't
declare the antenna that was in use. Power output means nothing unless it is
qualified by antenna gain.
Often a good idea of the required
...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Richard
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2021 7:17 AM
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Legal Limit With FT8
There's a major jerk who lives within about 20 miles of me who runs BIG
power with FT8. When he's on the air, he
There's a major jerk who lives within about 20 miles of me who runs BIG power
with FT8. When he's on the air, he blots out my K3S so his is the only signal
on the waterfall, the only signal the decoder sees. When his BIG POWER is on
the air, I can't be. And he's made it clear that he doesn't
ALL……..
All we need is More Regulations in the Amateurs’ World.
Ray WA6VAB K3
From: Jim Brown
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2021 11:18 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Legal Limit With FT8
On 11/10/2021 10:36 PM, Rick Tavan wrote:
> I must be missing something.
On 11/10/2021 10:36 PM, Rick Tavan wrote:
I must be missing something.
Hi Rick,
FT8 and similar modes are weak signal modes, and for difficult paths,
it's all about signal to noise, not signal to QRM. For several seasons,
I've been running legal limit to fill in DXCC to eastern EU on 160M.
I must be missing something. FTn isn't like CW or SSB where the loudest
station often wins in a pileup. If you have enough FTn signal to be decoded
reliably, say -10 or better, how does more power enhance your chances of
getting through? WSJT-X chooses whom to answer based on a "first decoded"
I had a discussion about this sort of madness with Joe Taylor, creator of FT8
and WSJT-X. Here's what he had to say about it:
"Hi Richard,
"Yes, it's annoying when people engage in a QRO arms race to make more QSOs or
make them more quickly with FT8. Using high power is one thing when
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