Re: [Elecraft] OT: W vs K broadcast station callsigns

2020-10-07 Thread Bill Frantz 
Given that this thread very plainly contains "OT", for Off 
Topic, in the subject line, anyone wanting only information 
about Elecraft equipment should have already filtered it out. 
Many posters are careful to label their off topic posts with OT.


Many are also careful to label their posts with the specific 
piece of equipment they are discussing. Of course, we have 
subject drift, and people aren't super good about changing the 
subject line when they change the subject.


BTW, I read almost everything on the list because I consider it 
to be a community and I like to try to help the people in this 
community when I can.


73 Bill AE6JV

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: W vs K broadcast station callsigns

2020-10-07 Thread Hostgate 
When my boss built his first radio station he told the FCC that the station was 
NORTH of the Mississippi. They let him pick W or K. 

-de John NI0K 

> On Oct 6, 2020, at 4:29 PM, Phil Kane  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 10/6/2020 1:04 PM, Mike Morrow wrote:
>> 
>> Another interesting fact about US broadcast station callsigns is that
>> back before U.S. maritime radioTELEGRAPHY ended (except for rare
>> historical exercises) in 1999, most US-flag merchant ships with
>> radiotelegraph stations were assigned four-letter callsigns beginning
>> with K or W.
> 
> As others have posted, the convention was that Broadcast stations east
> of the Mississippi were given W call letters and west of the Mississippi
> were given K call letters (with noted exceptions).  Ocean-going ships
> had the opposite according to their home port of registration.
> 
>> There are no longer many such calls that are still assigned to
>> merchant shipping.
> 
> When I started doing ship safety radio inspections in 1967 there were
> 600+ such vessels in the US registry, not counting the WW-II-era Victory
> ships that were owned by the U S Maritime Commission and were being
> pulled out of "Red Lead Row" (deep storage Reserve Fleets) and operated
> under contract to support the Vietnam War going on at that time.  New
> ship radiotelegraph stations will be licensed as part of the ship's
> radio station license under the now-standard XXX call letters.
> 
> 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
> Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402
> 
> From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
> Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: W vs K broadcast station callsigns

2020-10-06 Thread Phil Kane 


On 10/6/2020 1:04 PM, Mike Morrow wrote:

> Another interesting fact about US broadcast station callsigns is that
> back before U.S. maritime radioTELEGRAPHY ended (except for rare
> historical exercises) in 1999, most US-flag merchant ships with
> radiotelegraph stations were assigned four-letter callsigns beginning
> with K or W.

As others have posted, the convention was that Broadcast stations east
of the Mississippi were given W call letters and west of the Mississippi
were given K call letters (with noted exceptions).  Ocean-going ships
had the opposite according to their home port of registration.

> There are no longer many such calls that are still assigned to
> merchant shipping.

When I started doing ship safety radio inspections in 1967 there were
600+ such vessels in the US registry, not counting the WW-II-era Victory
ships that were owned by the U S Maritime Commission and were being
pulled out of "Red Lead Row" (deep storage Reserve Fleets) and operated
under contract to support the Vietnam War going on at that time.  New
ship radiotelegraph stations will be licensed as part of the ship's
radio station license under the now-standard XXX call letters.

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

>From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: W vs K broadcast station callsigns

2020-10-06 Thread Mike Morrow 
Another interesting fact about US broadcast station callsigns is that back 
before U.S. maritime radioTELEGRAPHY ended (except for rare historical 
exercises) in 1999, most US-flag merchant ships with radiotelegraph stations 
were assigned four-letter callsigns beginning with K or W.  There are no longer 
many such calls that are still assigned to merchant shipping.  A quick random 
search at:
  https://www.itu.int/mmsapp/ShipStation/list
found KPLB, WGDX, WQUI.  Twenty-five years ago and earlier there were hundreds 
of US ships whose radiotelegraph station had callsigns of broadcast station 
format.  Maritime radiotelegraph coastal stations like KPH, WCC, WOM used the 
same call format as some broadcast stations like KSL, WLS, WOR, WSM, etc.  
Maritime ship radiotelegraph callsigns were not affected by location for 
assigning K or W as first letter.

Forty years ago I held a commercial radiotelegraph license.  After I received 
ham call KK5F, I day-dreamed about having a ship with maritime radiotelegraph 
call KKHF to match.  :-)

Mike / KK5F

-Original Message-
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>Sent: Oct 6, 2020 12:04 PM
>
>More than you ever wanted to know about the convention of giving "W" 
>callsigns to broadcast stations east of the Mississippi and "K" 
>callsigns to the west:
>
>  https://earlyradiohistory.us/kwtrivia.htm
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: W vs K broadcast station callsigns

2020-10-06 Thread David Gilbert 


It's mostly the same culprits who initiate off topic posts, so filtering 
by sender would catch 95% of it.


Dave   AB7E


On 10/6/2020 11:48 AM, John Harper wrote:

In a parallel thread VP8NO wanted to filter K4-related posts...and now
there's this!

Folks, the correct way to read this reflector is to turn of email from it
entirely. Instead look at it here, only clicking on the links of interest
to you:
http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/2020-October/date.html

If you try to set up email filters to improve the S:N ratio, you'll soon
come to the conclusion that 'that way lies madness'.

John AE5X
https://ae5x.blogspot.com


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Re: [Elecraft] OT: W vs K broadcast station callsigns

2020-10-06 Thread Phil Kane 
On 10/6/2020 11:48 AM, John Harper wrote:

> Folks, the correct way to read this reflector is to turn of email from it
> entirely. Instead look at it here, only clicking on the links of interest
> to you:

Maybe correct for you, not for me and many others. The minimum time I
have to work the mouse, the happier I am.  As we children of the '50s
would say "Whatever works".

> If you try to set up email filters to improve the S:N ratio, you'll soon
> come to the conclusion that 'that way lies madness'.

Albert Einstein is widely credited with saying, "The definition of
insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting
different results."

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

>From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon
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[Elecraft] OT: W vs K broadcast station callsigns

2020-10-06 Thread John Harper 
In a parallel thread VP8NO wanted to filter K4-related posts...and now
there's this!

Folks, the correct way to read this reflector is to turn of email from it
entirely. Instead look at it here, only clicking on the links of interest
to you:
http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/2020-October/date.html

If you try to set up email filters to improve the S:N ratio, you'll soon
come to the conclusion that 'that way lies madness'.

John AE5X
https://ae5x.blogspot.com
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: W vs K broadcast station callsigns

2020-10-06 Thread hawley, charles j jr 
“Beginning with the introduction of licensing in late 1912, the standard 
practice had been to assign call 
letters starting with "W" to radio 
stations east of the Mississippi River. However, KDKA happened to receive its 
assignment during a short period during which land stations were being issued 
call letters from a sequential block of "K" call letters that had previously 
been assigned only to ship stations. Although the original policy was restored 
a few months later, KDKA was permitted to keep its non-standard call 
sign.[11]”

Chuck Jack Hawley
KE9UW

Sent from my iPhone, cjack

On Oct 6, 2020, at 12:36 PM, Don Wilhelm  wrote:

So how did KDKA in Pittsburgh, Pa become a Western callsign?

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/6/2020 1:04 PM, a...@elecraft.com wrote:
More than you ever wanted to know about the convention of giving "W" callsigns 
to broadcast stations east of the Mississippi and "K" callsigns to the west:
https://earlyradiohistory.us/kwtrivia.htm
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: W vs K broadcast station callsigns

2020-10-06 Thread Walter Underwood 
This is actually answered in the linked document. Not a big surprise for a 
document tiled “kwtrivia”.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Oct 6, 2020, at 10:36 AM, Don Wilhelm  wrote:
> 
> So how did KDKA in Pittsburgh, Pa become a Western callsign?
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 10/6/2020 1:04 PM, a...@elecraft.com wrote:
>> More than you ever wanted to know about the convention of giving "W" 
>> callsigns to broadcast stations east of the Mississippi and "K" callsigns to 
>> the west:
>> https://earlyradiohistory.us/kwtrivia.htm
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: W vs K broadcast station callsigns

2020-10-06 Thread Don Wilhelm 

So how did KDKA in Pittsburgh, Pa become a Western callsign?

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/6/2020 1:04 PM, a...@elecraft.com wrote:
More than you ever wanted to know about the convention of giving "W" 
callsigns to broadcast stations east of the Mississippi and "K" 
callsigns to the west:


https://earlyradiohistory.us/kwtrivia.htm



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Re: [Elecraft] OT: W vs K broadcast station callsigns

2020-10-06 Thread Michael Poteet 
Alan, thank you.   That's an fascinating bit of history, always interesting
to me (at least).

A side note: the FM component of WRR (in Dallas) still is on the air.  It's
the only Classical Music station in DFW (that I am aware of).

MikeW5FTD


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> More than you ever wanted to know about the convention of giving "W"
> callsigns to broadcast stations east of the Mississippi and "K"
> callsigns to the west:
>
> https://earlyradiohistory.us/kwtrivia.htm
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: W vs K broadcast station callsigns

2020-10-06 Thread Jamie WW3S 
my grandfather used to sing on KDKA, when they had live entertainment in 
their early days.and grew up listening to KQV.


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More than you ever wanted to know about the convention of giving "W" callsigns to 
broadcast stations east of the Mississippi and "K" callsigns to the west:

https://earlyradiohistory.us/kwtrivia.htm



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[Elecraft] OT: W vs K broadcast station callsigns

2020-10-06 Thread alan 
More than you ever wanted to know about the convention of giving "W" 
callsigns to broadcast stations east of the Mississippi and "K" 
callsigns to the west:


https://earlyradiohistory.us/kwtrivia.htm



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