Re: [Elecraft] Generic words on temperature

2021-07-04 Thread Louandzip via Elecraft
In years past, we had a spec where 60C was the the hottest temp allowable on any exposed accessible surface.  On a metal surface with high thermal conductivity and significant thermal mass (e.g. aluminum heat sink), it feels very warm to the touch, only starts to cause pain after many seconds,

Re: [Elecraft] Generic words on temperature

2021-07-04 Thread Francis Belliveau
All, I am taking this off-list since it is so far off topic. What I said seems to have been somewhat misinterpreted. 1. "Threshold of pain" means it starts to hurt, not "I can't stand it any more". 2. The surface temperature of a child's forehead when running a fever of 106 degrees is less

Re: [Elecraft] Generic words on temperature

2021-07-03 Thread C.A. Jones
Ahh, well, a few comments clarifications, from a guy with 38 years of experience (HVAC/mechanical and controls engineering) with Carrier air conditioning. Opening comment (not really my area of expertise, but I do have moderate relevant experience), the heat pain threshold is quite variable

Re: [Elecraft] Generic words on temperature

2021-07-03 Thread David Woolley
100°F is well within the survivable body core temperature range, so it should never trigger pain receptors. In fact, I believe it was defined based on the nominal core body temperature of a cow. Did you mean 100°C? -- David Woolley On 04/07/2021 00:03, Francis Belliveau wrote: Another

Re: [Elecraft] Generic words on temperature

2021-07-03 Thread Francis Belliveau
Another rule of thumb for those who care. When you hold a finger on something and it is 10 seconds to pain threshold, that location is about 100 degrees F. This is not an absolute constant, but I have checked it a few times since I was told that, and it seems to be true for me. > On Jun 30,

[Elecraft] Generic words on temperature

2021-06-30 Thread Geoffrey Feldman
My rule of thumb is that if you can keep your finger on it for a second or so without pain, it's not too hot. The ambient temperature is really not the issue as much as whether heat is carried off. I know it's hot in the pacific northwest but I think you can still enjoy your gear. The

Re: [Elecraft] Of words and such

2019-04-27 Thread Richards
It appears some members would excuse an obvious mistake, because they concur with what they believe is intended to be a compliment.   But how do we know for sure what the writer intended to convey?  After all, his words are, in fact, a slur. Words, in general, often often have very specific

[Elecraft] Of Words and such

2019-04-27 Thread donw4cbs
When I first moved to northern Florida in the late 60/s I did a double take when someone riding with me asked if they could crack my window.Don, W4CBS Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note9. __ Elecraft mailing list Home:

Re: [Elecraft] Of words and such

2019-04-27 Thread Dave Cole (NK7Z)
Phil, You nitpicker you! :) Was good to see you in PDX last week! 73s and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) https://www.nk7z.net ARRL Technical Specialist ARRL Volunteer Examiner ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resource On 4/26/19 11:22 AM, Phil Kane wrote: On 4/26/2019 11:01 AM, Wayne Burdick

Re: [Elecraft] Of words and such

2019-04-27 Thread Dave Cole (NK7Z)
- From: "Don Wilhelm" To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 9:25:44 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Of words and such It likely depends on which area of the US you are in. I don't know about the current vernacular, but where I grew up in Central Eastern Ohio in

Re: [Elecraft] Of words and such

2019-04-27 Thread hawley, charles j jr
Radio, KE9UW From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net on behalf of Kevin Cozens Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 3:46 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Of words and such On 2019-04-26 1:29 p.m., Wayne Burdick wrote: > Some English words have become com

[Elecraft] Of words and such

2019-04-26 Thread cx7tt
My favorite from the southern US is "fixing": as in 'I'm fixing to leave'= getting ready to go. One of the premier wordsmiths, Winston Churchill is spinning in his grave. Good yucks, 73 Tom HP1XT __ Elecraft mailing list Home:

Re: [Elecraft] Of words and such

2019-04-26 Thread donovanf
you like me to knock you up tomorrow? 73 Frank W3LPL - Original Message - From: "Don Wilhelm" To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 9:25:44 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Of words and such It likely depends on which area of the US you are in. I

Re: [Elecraft] Of words and such

2019-04-26 Thread Don Wilhelm
It likely depends on which area of the US you are in. I don't know about the current vernacular, but where I grew up in Central Eastern Ohio in the 1950s and 1960s, cigarettes were known as "fags", and a 'fag break' would be a perfectly acceptable expression. I once heard a broadcast from

[Elecraft] Of Words and Such - Even though Beyond the OT Pale

2019-04-26 Thread Dauer, Edward
it literally and so not negatively at all. Ted, KN1CBR _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ __ _ _ _ _ _ __ _ _ _ _ _ _ Message: 13 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2019 10:29:49 -0700 From: Wayne Burdick To: Frank Krozel Cc: Elecraft Reflector , Andy Durbin Subject: Re:

Re: [Elecraft] Of words and such

2019-04-26 Thread Andy McMullin via Elecraft
You are so right. So many people seem to guess what words or phrases mean without bothering to determine what the rest of society agrees that they mean. Then they expect you to understand their personal interpretation. However, I’d add that it’s also useful to remember George Bernard Shaw and

Re: [Elecraft] Of words and such

2019-04-26 Thread Kevin Cozens
On 2019-04-26 1:29 p.m., Wayne Burdick wrote: Some English words have become completely useless in practice, like "semiannual" and "biannual," either of which can mean "twice a year" or "every other year." In fact if you look up the definition for one, you often see the other shown as a synonym.

Re: [Elecraft] Of words and such

2019-04-26 Thread donovanf
Just one more case of "no good deed goes unpunished!" The "punishment" was the innocent misuse of an infrequently used phrase when the writer clearly intended to praise Eric for far exceeding customer expectations. Not to belabor the point, but "beyond the pale" means exactly the

Re: [Elecraft] Of words and such

2019-04-26 Thread Phil Kane
On 4/26/2019 11:01 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> Wayne was right, I meant that Eric had gone way beyond what was >> expected, in a good way. My understanding of the phrase was it >> meant beyond bad things and into the good. Sorry if you saw it >> otherwise. Guess I better watch out for the

Re: [Elecraft] Of words and such

2019-04-26 Thread Wayne Burdick
> On Apr 26, 2019, at 10:43 AM, James Brassell wrote: > > Andy, > > Wayne was right, I meant that Eric had gone way beyond what was expected, in > a good way. My understanding of the phrase was it meant beyond bad things > and into the good. Sorry if you saw it otherwise. Guess I better

Re: [Elecraft] Of words and such

2019-04-26 Thread James Brassell
Andy, Wayne was right, I meant that Eric had gone way beyond what was expected, in a good way. My understanding of the phrase was it meant beyond bad things and into the good. Sorry if you saw it otherwise. Guess I better watch out for the wordsmiths. 73, Jim K4ZMV On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at

Re: [Elecraft] Of words and such

2019-04-26 Thread Andy McMullin via Elecraft
Beyond the pale - outside the safe area protected by the British in Ireland. Normally taken to mean immoral, dangerous and probably obscene. Sent from my iPhone > On 26 Apr 2019, at 18:29, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > "Beyond the pale" is an infrequently used idiomatic expression (at least in >

Re: [Elecraft] Of words and such

2019-04-26 Thread Wayne Burdick
"Beyond the pale" is an infrequently used idiomatic expression (at least in the U.S.), probably misunderstood by many. I believe it is used in a negative sense for the most part, but clearly that isn't what the writer meant. Some English words have become completely useless in practice, like

Re: [Elecraft] Of words and such

2019-04-26 Thread Frank Krozel
I would be floored and would take a blank paper and a good pen. De KG9H > On Apr 26, 2019, at 12:08 PM, Andy Durbin wrote: > > " When an owner of the company calls to assist, that is beyond the pale. " > > I wonder if that is what you really thought. > >

[Elecraft] Of words and such

2019-04-26 Thread Andy Durbin
" When an owner of the company calls to assist, that is beyond the pale. " I wonder if that is what you really thought. https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/beyond-the-pale.html Maybe it means something completely different in other lands. 73, Andy, k3wyc