Re: [Elecraft] P3 Failure, and question

2021-04-12 Thread Dave Cole

Hi Ben,
Thank you for the information!!!  I will look to see if that cap is wrong!

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On 4/12/21 3:37 PM, w4sc wrote:

I had a similar problem.

I purchased a P3 kit in 2015, assembled, and it worked well.  The firmware as 
received, was a rev behind.  Trying to upgrade via the normal method, was 
unable to accomplish.  Trying to force an upgrade, was unsuccessful.  Had to 
return for warranty repair.  The EEPROM was corrupted.

All was OK until about 4 years ago, the P3, occasionally, would not boot up. I 
received some guidance from one of the engineers, to check a capacitor in the 
P3 power supply.  If it was a tantalum  (10 uF I believe), it was the incorrect 
value, and to change to 0.1uf (1206 sized).  After the capacitor change, no 
more powerup issues.  I believe there was a supply sequencing issue.

I am looking for the details, and when found, I will post.

Ben W4SC

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Failure, and question

2021-04-12 Thread w4sc
I had a similar problem.

I purchased a P3 kit in 2015, assembled, and it worked well.  The firmware as 
received, was a rev behind.  Trying to upgrade via the normal method, was 
unable to accomplish.  Trying to force an upgrade, was unsuccessful.  Had to 
return for warranty repair.  The EEPROM was corrupted.

All was OK until about 4 years ago, the P3, occasionally, would not boot up. I 
received some guidance from one of the engineers, to check a capacitor in the 
P3 power supply.  If it was a tantalum  (10 uF I believe), it was the incorrect 
value, and to change to 0.1uf (1206 sized).  After the capacitor change, no 
more powerup issues.  I believe there was a supply sequencing issue. 

I am looking for the details, and when found, I will post.

Ben W4SC

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Failure, and question

2021-04-12 Thread Howard Saxion via Elecraft
I do not.  The repair invoice from Elecraft only indicated a faulty I/O board 
which was replaced. 
73
Howard/WX7HS

> On Apr 12, 2021, at 09:35, Dave New  wrote:
> 
>  Do you know just what failed on the I/O board?  Was it possibly due to 
> static discharge?
> 
> I tend to leave an antenna connected, except during active weather, but 
> curious if there is something sensitive in the P3 I/O area that can fail 
> easily from a surge, like the old RS-232 circuitry in the original K3.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -- Dave, N8SBE
> 
> Quoting Howard Saxion via Elecraft :
> 
>> I had a similar problem with my P3 with SVGA. I had to cycle through the 
>> on-off switch a few times before it would fully power up. Once powered up, 
>> everything was working and stable.  I tried reseating the ribbon cables but 
>> that had no effect.
>> 
>> I contacted Elecraft technical support and they had me try a few things but 
>> that did not solve the problem. I sent it to Elecraft and it turned out that 
>> the I/O board was faulty. The repair cost was approximately $200 for a new 
>> board and labor.
>> 
>> 73
>> Howard/WX7HS
>> 
 On Apr 12, 2021, at 06:05, Dave Cole  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Rick,
>>> 
>>> Thank you!  I appreciate the datapoint in this.  I was just looking over 
>>> the schematic and came to the same conclusion...  It looks like a backlight 
>>> problem to me as well...  I tried to find a datasheet on teh 4538 IC that 
>>> appears to control it, but alas, nope.  I got mine to come back on by power 
>>> cycling it as well...
>>> 
>>> Hopefully someone has actually fixed this, and knows which cap...
>>> 
>>> 73, and thanks,
>>> Dave (NK7Z)
>>> https://www.nk7z.net
>>> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
>>> ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
>>> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
>>> 
 On 4/12/21 5:27 AM, Rick Stanback wrote:
 My P3 does the same thing.  If i keep cycling power it eventually comes
 on and works.  I suspect there is a bad capacitor in the LCD backlight
 power.  I have not actually looking into it yet.
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Failure, and question

2021-04-12 Thread Dave New
 Do you know just what failed on the I/O board?  Was it possibly due  
to static discharge?


I tend to leave an antenna connected, except during active weather,  
but curious if there is something sensitive in the P3 I/O area that  
can fail easily from a surge, like the old RS-232 circuitry in the  
original K3.


Thanks,

-- Dave, N8SBE

Quoting Howard Saxion via Elecraft :

I had a similar problem with my P3 with SVGA. I had to cycle  
through the on-off switch a few times before it would fully power  
up. Once powered up, everything was working and stable.  I tried  
reseating the ribbon cables but that had no effect.


I contacted Elecraft technical support and they had me try a few  
things but that did not solve the problem. I sent it to Elecraft and  
it turned out that the I/O board was faulty. The repair cost was  
approximately $200 for a new board and labor.


73
Howard/WX7HS


On Apr 12, 2021, at 06:05, Dave Cole  wrote:

Rick,

Thank you!  I appreciate the datapoint in this.  I was just looking  
over the schematic and came to the same conclusion...  It looks  
like a backlight problem to me as well...  I tried to find a  
datasheet on teh 4538 IC that appears to control it, but alas,  
nope.  I got mine to come back on by power cycling it as well...


Hopefully someone has actually fixed this, and knows which cap...

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
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ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources


On 4/12/21 5:27 AM, Rick Stanback wrote:
My P3 does the same thing.  If i keep cycling power it eventually comes
on and works.  I suspect there is a bad capacitor in the LCD backlight
power.  I have not actually looking into it yet.


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Failure, and question

2021-04-12 Thread Dave Cole

Thanks Howard, I'll call you later today...

73, and thanks,
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On 4/12/21 7:05 AM, Howard Saxion wrote:

I had a similar problem with my P3 with SVGA. I had to cycle through the 
on-off switch a few times before it would fully power up. Once powered up, 
everything was working and stable.  I tried reseating the ribbon cables but 
that had no effect.

I contacted Elecraft technical support and they had me try a few things but 
that did not solve the problem. I sent it to Elecraft and it turned out that 
the I/O board was faulty. The repair cost was approximately $200 for a new 
board and labor.

73
Howard/WX7HS



On Apr 12, 2021, at 06:05, Dave Cole  wrote:

Rick,

Thank you!  I appreciate the datapoint in this.  I was just looking over the 
schematic and came to the same conclusion...  It looks like a backlight problem 
to me as well...  I tried to find a datasheet on teh 4538 IC that appears to 
control it, but alas, nope.  I got mine to come back on by power cycling it as 
well...

Hopefully someone has actually fixed this, and knows which cap...

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources


On 4/12/21 5:27 AM, Rick Stanback wrote:
My P3 does the same thing.  If i keep cycling power it eventually comes
on and works.  I suspect there is a bad capacitor in the LCD backlight
power.  I have not actually looking into it yet.

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Failure, and question

2021-04-12 Thread Dave Cole

Hi Dave New,

It does help, and thank you... Mine has come back to life as well, 
(power cycling it), and I am worried about turning it off now as well...


I will get an RSA from Elecraft and send it in...  I'll report back to 
the list what they find, and how long it took to get repaired.


If you discover the issue, please let me know if you would!  I won't be 
sending mine back tomorrow, but sooner than later.  Also, THANK YOU 
again for the information.


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On 4/12/21 6:39 AM, Dave New wrote:
  I've been experiencing intermittent failures of the internal display, 
as well as loss of at least one setting (Track/Fix).


I've been leaving the K3s/P3 powered on continuously, but recently 
started turning them off, to save some 'always on' energy while trying 
to figure out why our house is running about 1200 watts continuously.


So, when powering on the combination (the P3 is set to power on with the 
K3s power), very nearly always now, the internal display fails to come 
on, but the SVGA display always works.  Normally, cycling the power 
switch on the P3 recovers the internal display, but just yesterday, I 
had to cycle the power several times before it came up.


I'm now leaving things powered on, until I can troubleshoot what the 
issue is.  I did go as far as looking in the P3 manual to see if there 
is a coin cell battery in it, that might need replacing, but that is 
apparently not so.


I'm concerned about the loss of settings, which may point to a corrupted 
EEPROM.  Reflashing the P3 hasn't fixed this, and so far, I've not tried 
a 'factory reset' on the P3, which would lose all my settings.


Hope that helps,

-- Dave, N8SBE

Quoting Dave Cole :


Rick,
A further thought on this...  Next time your P3 fails, can you try and 
grab an image from it using the utility?  I just thought of that, mine 
will not grab an image, when it is failed, so it is probably not the 
backlight on mine.


73, and thanks,
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ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 4/12/21 6:03 AM, Dave Cole wrote:

Rick,

Thank you!  I appreciate the datapoint in this.  I was just looking 
over the schematic and came to the same conclusion...  It looks like 
a backlight problem to me as well...  I tried to find a datasheet on 
teh 4538 IC that appears to control it, but alas, nope.  I got mine 
to come back on by power cycling it as well...


Hopefully someone has actually fixed this, and knows which cap...

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
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ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 4/12/21 5:27 AM, Rick Stanback wrote:

My P3 does the same thing.  If i keep cycling power it eventually comes
on and works.  I suspect there is a bad capacitor in the LCD backlight
power.  I have not actually looking into it yet.


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Failure, and question

2021-04-12 Thread Howard Saxion via Elecraft
I had a similar problem with my P3 with SVGA. I had to cycle through the 
on-off switch a few times before it would fully power up. Once powered up, 
everything was working and stable.  I tried reseating the ribbon cables but 
that had no effect. 

I contacted Elecraft technical support and they had me try a few things but 
that did not solve the problem. I sent it to Elecraft and it turned out that 
the I/O board was faulty. The repair cost was approximately $200 for a new 
board and labor.  

73
Howard/WX7HS 


> On Apr 12, 2021, at 06:05, Dave Cole  wrote:
> 
> Rick,
> 
> Thank you!  I appreciate the datapoint in this.  I was just looking over the 
> schematic and came to the same conclusion...  It looks like a backlight 
> problem to me as well...  I tried to find a datasheet on teh 4538 IC that 
> appears to control it, but alas, nope.  I got mine to come back on by power 
> cycling it as well...
> 
> Hopefully someone has actually fixed this, and knows which cap...
> 
> 73, and thanks,
> Dave (NK7Z)
> https://www.nk7z.net
> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
> ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
> 
>> On 4/12/21 5:27 AM, Rick Stanback wrote:
>> My P3 does the same thing.  If i keep cycling power it eventually comes
>> on and works.  I suspect there is a bad capacitor in the LCD backlight
>> power.  I have not actually looking into it yet.
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Failure, and question

2021-04-12 Thread Dave New
 I've been experiencing intermittent failures of the internal  
display, as well as loss of at least one setting (Track/Fix).


I've been leaving the K3s/P3 powered on continuously, but recently  
started turning them off, to save some 'always on' energy while trying  
to figure out why our house is running about 1200 watts continuously.


So, when powering on the combination (the P3 is set to power on with  
the K3s power), very nearly always now, the internal display fails to  
come on, but the SVGA display always works.  Normally, cycling the  
power switch on the P3 recovers the internal display, but just  
yesterday, I had to cycle the power several times before it came up.


I'm now leaving things powered on, until I can troubleshoot what the  
issue is.  I did go as far as looking in the P3 manual to see if there  
is a coin cell battery in it, that might need replacing, but that is  
apparently not so.


I'm concerned about the loss of settings, which may point to a  
corrupted EEPROM.  Reflashing the P3 hasn't fixed this, and so far,  
I've not tried a 'factory reset' on the P3, which would lose all my  
settings.


Hope that helps,

-- Dave, N8SBE

Quoting Dave Cole :


Rick,
A further thought on this...  Next time your P3 fails, can you try  
and grab an image from it using the utility?  I just thought of  
that, mine will not grab an image, when it is failed, so it is  
probably not the backlight on mine.


73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 4/12/21 6:03 AM, Dave Cole wrote:

Rick,

Thank you!  I appreciate the datapoint in this.  I was just looking  
over the schematic and came to the same conclusion...  It looks  
like a backlight problem to me as well...  I tried to find a  
datasheet on teh 4538 IC that appears to control it, but alas,  
nope.  I got mine to come back on by power cycling it as well...


Hopefully someone has actually fixed this, and knows which cap...

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 4/12/21 5:27 AM, Rick Stanback wrote:

My P3 does the same thing.  If i keep cycling power it eventually comes
on and works.  I suspect there is a bad capacitor in the LCD backlight
power.  I have not actually looking into it yet.


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Failure, and question

2021-04-12 Thread Dave Cole

Rick,
A further thought on this...  Next time your P3 fails, can you try and 
grab an image from it using the utility?  I just thought of that, mine 
will not grab an image, when it is failed, so it is probably not the 
backlight on mine.


73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
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ARRL Volunteer Examiner
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ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 4/12/21 6:03 AM, Dave Cole wrote:

Rick,

Thank you!  I appreciate the datapoint in this.  I was just looking over 
the schematic and came to the same conclusion...  It looks like a 
backlight problem to me as well...  I tried to find a datasheet on teh 
4538 IC that appears to control it, but alas, nope.  I got mine to come 
back on by power cycling it as well...


Hopefully someone has actually fixed this, and knows which cap...

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
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ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 4/12/21 5:27 AM, Rick Stanback wrote:

My P3 does the same thing.  If i keep cycling power it eventually comes
on and works.  I suspect there is a bad capacitor in the LCD backlight
power.  I have not actually looking into it yet.


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Failure, and question

2021-04-12 Thread Dave Cole

Rick,

Thank you!  I appreciate the datapoint in this.  I was just looking over 
the schematic and came to the same conclusion...  It looks like a 
backlight problem to me as well...  I tried to find a datasheet on teh 
4538 IC that appears to control it, but alas, nope.  I got mine to come 
back on by power cycling it as well...


Hopefully someone has actually fixed this, and knows which cap...

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On 4/12/21 5:27 AM, Rick Stanback wrote:

My P3 does the same thing.  If i keep cycling power it eventually comes
on and works.  I suspect there is a bad capacitor in the LCD backlight
power.  I have not actually looking into it yet.


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Failure, and question

2021-04-12 Thread Rick Stanback
My P3 does the same thing.  If i keep cycling power it eventually comes
on and works.  I suspect there is a bad capacitor in the LCD backlight
power.  I have not actually looking into it yet.

-- 
"If you are not the lead dog, the scenary never changes"
Rick Stanback
N4WCQ


On Mon, 2021-04-12 at 04:41 -0700, Dave Cole wrote:
> A bit more data:
> 
> 1.  The (3 utility can talk to it.
> 2.  If I try and capture an image, it goes through the motions, but
> no 
> image is captured.
> 3.  It accepts commands via a keyboard.
> 4.  A load from the last config file did not correct things.
> 5.  A full power off and on did not correct things.
> 
> 73, and thanks,
> Dave (NK7Z)
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> On 4/12/21 4:27 AM, Dave Cole wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > My P3 seems to have had a display failure.  The SVGA is working, as
> > I 
> > can control the K3 via macros fired at it via the keyboard input. 
> > It 
> > failed to light off once before, but that seemed a one off thing,
> > not it 
> > seems permanent.
> > 
> > Has anyone seen this before?  If so, what was the cause?
> > 
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Failure, and question

2021-04-12 Thread Dave Cole

A bit more data:

1.  The (3 utility can talk to it.
2.  If I try and capture an image, it goes through the motions, but no 
image is captured.

3.  It accepts commands via a keyboard.
4.  A load from the last config file did not correct things.
5.  A full power off and on did not correct things.

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 4/12/21 4:27 AM, Dave Cole wrote:

Hello,

My P3 seems to have had a display failure.  The SVGA is working, as I 
can control the K3 via macros fired at it via the keyboard input.  It 
failed to light off once before, but that seemed a one off thing, not it 
seems permanent.


Has anyone seen this before?  If so, what was the cause?


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