Re: [Elecraft] K3s rear mic connector and shure SM58.

2017-10-09 Thread Jim Brown
On 10/6/2017 4:27 PM, Richard Day wrote: Why did you turn the mic bias off? Have you tried turning it on to see if it gives you the sound you need? Bias for mics does not "improve the sound" of a mic. Rather, bias makes electret mics work (you'll get no sound from them without bias), and can

Re: [Elecraft] K3s rear mic connector and shure SM58.

2017-10-06 Thread Nr4c
The Shire SM58 mic is a Dynamic mic and does not require bias (required only for electret mics). Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Oct 6, 2017, at 7:27 PM, Richard Day > wrote: > > Why did you turn the mic bias off? Have you tried turning it on to see

Re: [Elecraft] K3s rear mic connector and shure SM58.

2017-10-06 Thread Fred Jensen
Electret mics, and capacitor and carbon mics, neither of which are real common in hamdom these days, require a bias voltage in the 5-8 V range.  A K3 will provide that bias if it's turned on in the MIC menus.  Dynamic mics do not require nor like bias.  Without bias, an electret mic will

Re: [Elecraft] K3s rear mic connector and shure SM58.

2017-10-06 Thread Don Wilhelm
The SM58 microphone does not need bias. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/6/2017 7:27 PM, Richard Day wrote: Why did you turn the mic bias off? Have you tried turning it on to see if it gives you the sound you need? Rich KK4DZE On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 12:27 Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: On

Re: [Elecraft] K3s rear mic connector and shure SM58.

2017-10-06 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
Mic bias is used only with electret microphones. Dynamic (moving coil) microphones like the SM58 can be damaged by DC on the coil! The bias will certainly *further reduce* the output from the already low output of the dynamic mic. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 10/6/2017 7:27 PM, Richard Day

Re: [Elecraft] K3s rear mic connector and shure SM58.

2017-10-06 Thread Richard Day
Why did you turn the mic bias off? Have you tried turning it on to see if it gives you the sound you need? Rich KK4DZE On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 12:27 Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > On 10/6/2017 11:36 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > > I'm with Bob on this. While the K3 and K3S DOES have a

Re: [Elecraft] K3s rear mic connector and shure SM58.

2017-10-06 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
On 10/6/2017 11:36 AM, Jim Brown wrote: I'm with Bob on this. While the K3 and K3S DOES have a Pin One Problem at the rear panel mic input (the cable shield goes to the chassis through a capacitor), floating the cable shield is not a good solution, and it should be tied to the connector sleeve.

Re: [Elecraft] K3s rear mic connector and shure SM58.

2017-10-06 Thread Jim Brown
I'm with Bob on this. While the K3 and K3S DOES have a Pin One Problem at the rear panel mic input (the cable shield goes to the chassis through a capacitor), floating the cable shield is not a good solution, and it should be tied to the connector sleeve. When a rig  DOES provide chassis at

Re: [Elecraft] K3s rear mic connector and shure SM58.

2017-10-06 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
It doesn't matter if the input is balanced or unbalanced. The shield and mic return should *never* be connected together. The shield is connected to the case of the microphone *not* a signal (mic -) line and connecting shield to mic - simply adds common mode noise and hum to the low level mic

Re: [Elecraft] K3s rear mic connector and shure SM58.

2017-10-06 Thread Bob McGraw K4TAX
Joe.He is using the rear panel MIC input. It is unbalanced. Bob, K4TAX Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 6, 2017, at 7:50 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > > > Pin #1 & #3 to ground > > Pins 1 and 3 should *never be tied together*. If your transceiver has > a balanced

Re: [Elecraft] K3s rear mic connector and shure SM58.

2017-10-06 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
> Pin #1 & #3 to ground Pins 1 and 3 should *never be tied together*. If your transceiver has a balanced input *or* a *separate* case/chassis connection, connect pin 1 (shield/mic case) to the case/chassis connection (ideally to the *shell* of a Foster mic jack that is bolted securely to the

Re: [Elecraft] K3s rear mic connector and shure SM58.

2017-10-05 Thread Bob McGraw K4TAX
No transformer needed.  The gain settings on page 55 of the manual are sufficient for the SM 58.   Just wire it as an unbalanced output.   I use both the rear or front MIC inputs with no issues and a variety of different mikes. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 10/4/2017 12:18 PM, Stewart wrote: OK

Re: [Elecraft] K3s rear mic connector and shure SM58.

2017-10-05 Thread Bob McGraw K4TAX
No preamp required.  Set the Mike gain via the menu to high. Easy to wire the mike XLR to an unbalanced circuit.   Pin #1 & #3 to ground and Pin #2 to MIC high.  See page 55  of the manual [MIC SEL] for details. If you close talk the mike it will be bottom end heavy. Typically no closer than

Re: [Elecraft] K3s rear mic connector and shure SM58.

2017-10-04 Thread Jim Brown
On 10/4/2017 8:21 AM, Stewart wrote: Any thoughts on this? Re-read my reply to you. It's all there. 73, Jim __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm

Re: [Elecraft] K3s rear mic connector and shure SM58.

2017-10-04 Thread Stewart
And this works too, and much simpler.. Thanks Joe 73 Stew ke4yh On 10/4/2017 1:58 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: An XLR mic sound always be connected with Mic(+) to tip and Mic(-) to the sleeve of the K3 rear panel mic jack.  A microphone (unless it is a dual capsule M/S microphone) is always a

Re: [Elecraft] K3s rear mic connector and shure SM58.

2017-10-04 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
> I believe this is where my problem is. The rear mic jack is wired as > mono (ring is not connected to anything) so it is an unbalanced input. > Connecting the mic audio(-) to the shield might work. An XLR mic sound always be connected with Mic(+) to tip and Mic(-) to the sleeve of the K3 rear

Re: [Elecraft] K3s rear mic connector and shure SM58.

2017-10-04 Thread Stewart
OK here's what worked: I used a pre-amp, that was on hand, that has a balanced XLR input and a TS jack output. The SM58 does need quite a bit of gain to work but sounds good using the tx monitor. My SM58 has a switch so I set up to use VOX and the mic switch acts kind of like a PTT (only

Re: [Elecraft] K3s rear mic connector and shure SM58.

2017-10-04 Thread Stewart
On 10/3/2017 8:12 PM, Jim Brown wrote: My guess is that the cable is not wired to mate with the K3. Study the pin-out in the K3S manual. From the balanced mic, connect one of the signal wires to Mic In, the other signal wire to Mic Return, and the cable shield to the chassis. 73, Jim

Re: [Elecraft] K3s rear mic connector and shure SM58.

2017-10-03 Thread Jim Brown
On 10/3/2017 11:50 AM, Stewart wrote: Is anyone using a Shure SM58 mic with their K3s? The SM58 is a poor choice for ham radio because of its bass boost. It should work if it's wired correctly, but it will be too bassy. If so are you using a preamp? My O'scope shows that the mic and cable

Re: [Elecraft] K3s rear mic connector and shure SM58.

2017-10-03 Thread Nr4c
Try RpH or even the super high setting. See manual for more details. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Oct 3, 2017, at 2:50 PM, Stewart wrote: > > Is anyone using a Shure SM58 mic with their K3s? If so are you using a > preamp? My O'scope shows that the mic and cable