Re: [Elecraft] Killed the KPA500 :)

2018-11-19 Thread Michael Walker
Knowing what I did while transmitting at 100 watts of msk144, I’m surprised the 
damage isn’t worse. 

The protection circuits did the best they could of. 

If you own any amp, you always need to be aware of the risk. I would never rely 
 on the automation to 100% protected any amp. 

If you are worried about your amplifier and anyway I highly recommend you have 
checklist handy every time you turn it on and change Bands. Never depend on the 
protection circuits. 

I know I’m preaching to the choir too many people, however it is imperative you 
understand exactly how your amp works, how it’s wired, and how it interfaces 
with any HF radio.

Mike va3mw



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> On Nov 19, 2018, at 6:45 PM, ANDY DURBIN  wrote:
> 
> "The support team at Elecraft got back to me and the required parts to repair 
> the board are on the way. Nice job guys."
> 
> 
> But the question remains - Why didn't the designed-in protections work? This 
> new KPA500 owner would appreciate an answer from Elecraft.
> 
> 
> Andy, k3wyc
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Re: [Elecraft] Killed the KPA500 :)

2018-11-19 Thread ANDY DURBIN
"The support team at Elecraft got back to me and the required parts to repair 
the board are on the way. Nice job guys."


But the question remains - Why didn't the designed-in protections work? This 
new KPA500 owner would appreciate an answer from Elecraft.


Andy, k3wyc


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Re: [Elecraft] Killed the KPA500 :)

2018-11-19 Thread Bob McGraw K4TAX
This still confirms the KPA500 is a darn near bullet proof amplifier.   
And likewise from the company, excellent support.


Glad the issue was only minimal damage.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 11/19/2018 4:30 PM, Michael Walker wrote:

Just an update on the repair

Turns out that the first part of the 6M LPF took the hit on the amp
resulting in a CAP or 2 vapourizing.  AKA - phasers set to kill.  This
required no special electronic skills to find.  You could see it and smell
it.

The support team at Elecraft got back to me and the required parts to
repair the board are on the way.  Nice job guys.

Mike va3mw
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Re: [Elecraft] Killed the KPA500 :)

2018-11-19 Thread Michael Walker
Just an update on the repair

Turns out that the first part of the 6M LPF took the hit on the amp
resulting in a CAP or 2 vapourizing.  AKA - phasers set to kill.  This
required no special electronic skills to find.  You could see it and smell
it.

The support team at Elecraft got back to me and the required parts to
repair the board are on the way.  Nice job guys.

Mike va3mw
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Re: [Elecraft] Killed the KPA500 :)

2018-11-16 Thread Luis V. Romero
See page 19 of the KPA500 manual. The menu setting for this parameter is there.

Lu - W4LT

> -Original Message-
> From: Nr4c [mailto:n...@widomaker.com]
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 8:16 PM
> To: lromer...@tampabay.rr.com
> Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Killed the KPA500 :)
> 
> Mine has never started up in ‘Operate’ mode. Could it be a setting you
> imposed?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
> 
> 
> > On Nov 16, 2018, at 2:19 PM, Luis V. Romero
>  wrote:
> >
> > Michael:
> >
> > The KPA500 defaults to power up in STANDBY but is programmable to
> power up
> > in OPERATE mode. Someone must have changed yours.
> >
> > The KPA500 can also be programmed to switch to standby on band
> changes. It
> > defaults to selecting STANDBY or OPERATE per the last band change.
> >
> > When connected to a K3 using the KPAUX cables, the amplifier and the
> radio
> > communicate and the radio will reduce power when you switch the amp to
> > OPERATE.
> >
> > I run mine in Power up: STANDBY, Band change: Switch to STANDBY.  Its
> harder
> > to do stupid things in this configuration. I'd rather accidentally transmit
> > at 100w than blow the amp up. Also, my KAT500 tuner can auto bypass the
> amp
> > if the SWR reaches 2.5:1 threshold to protect the amp. This is also
> > programmable.
> >
> > The menu settings for all of this are in the KPA500 Operations Manual on
> > page 19.  BTW, there is no T/R relay to click in the amp. It uses PIN Diode
> > T/R switching.  When you key the amp, and if you have it connected to the
> > same PTT as the radio, you should see an asterisk (*) in the LCD window
> that
> > tells you the amp is "keyed".
> >
> > You may have blown up the input attenuator. Or the RF deck. Or both. As a
> > machine I used to work with said when its power supply was overheating:
> "$$$
> > UP IN SMOKE!".
> >
> > 73
> >
> > Lu Romero - W4LT
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Michael Walker 
> > To: Andy Durbin 
> > Cc: "Elecraft@mailman.qth.net" 
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Killed the KPA500 :)
> > Message-ID:
> > qyf8se...@mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > I have the schematics, as someone was kind enough to send them to me.
> >
> > Yes, I forgot the KPA500 powers up in Operate.  It is the only Amp I own
> > that does this.
> >
> > I will mention it to Elecraft when I chat with them later today and suggest
> > the default should be the other way around.
> >
> > Mike va3mw
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Elecraft] Killed the KPA500 :)

2018-11-16 Thread Michael Walker
Read above...

On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 8:17 PM Nr4c  wrote:

> Mine has never started up in ‘Operate’ mode. Could it be a setting you
> imposed?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
>
>
> > On Nov 16, 2018, at 2:19 PM, Luis V. Romero 
> wrote:
> >
> > Michael:
> >
> > The KPA500 defaults to power up in STANDBY but is programmable to power
> up
> > in OPERATE mode. Someone must have changed yours.
> >
> > The KPA500 can also be programmed to switch to standby on band changes.
> It
> > defaults to selecting STANDBY or OPERATE per the last band change.
> >
> > When connected to a K3 using the KPAUX cables, the amplifier and the
> radio
> > communicate and the radio will reduce power when you switch the amp to
> > OPERATE.
> >
> > I run mine in Power up: STANDBY, Band change: Switch to STANDBY.  Its
> harder
> > to do stupid things in this configuration. I'd rather accidentally
> transmit
> > at 100w than blow the amp up. Also, my KAT500 tuner can auto bypass the
> amp
> > if the SWR reaches 2.5:1 threshold to protect the amp. This is also
> > programmable.
> >
> > The menu settings for all of this are in the KPA500 Operations Manual on
> > page 19.  BTW, there is no T/R relay to click in the amp. It uses PIN
> Diode
> > T/R switching.  When you key the amp, and if you have it connected to the
> > same PTT as the radio, you should see an asterisk (*) in the LCD window
> that
> > tells you the amp is "keyed".
> >
> > You may have blown up the input attenuator. Or the RF deck. Or both. As a
> > machine I used to work with said when its power supply was overheating:
> "$$$
> > UP IN SMOKE!".
> >
> > 73
> >
> > Lu Romero - W4LT
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Michael Walker 
> > To: Andy Durbin 
> > Cc: "Elecraft@mailman.qth.net" 
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Killed the KPA500 :)
> > Message-ID:
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > I have the schematics, as someone was kind enough to send them to me.
> >
> > Yes, I forgot the KPA500 powers up in Operate.  It is the only Amp I own
> > that does this.
> >
> > I will mention it to Elecraft when I chat with them later today and
> suggest
> > the default should be the other way around.
> >
> > Mike va3mw
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Elecraft] Killed the KPA500 :)

2018-11-16 Thread Nr4c
Mine has never started up in ‘Operate’ mode. Could it be a setting you imposed?

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Nov 16, 2018, at 2:19 PM, Luis V. Romero  wrote:
> 
> Michael:
> 
> The KPA500 defaults to power up in STANDBY but is programmable to power up
> in OPERATE mode. Someone must have changed yours.
> 
> The KPA500 can also be programmed to switch to standby on band changes. It
> defaults to selecting STANDBY or OPERATE per the last band change.
> 
> When connected to a K3 using the KPAUX cables, the amplifier and the radio
> communicate and the radio will reduce power when you switch the amp to
> OPERATE.
> 
> I run mine in Power up: STANDBY, Band change: Switch to STANDBY.  Its harder
> to do stupid things in this configuration. I'd rather accidentally transmit
> at 100w than blow the amp up. Also, my KAT500 tuner can auto bypass the amp
> if the SWR reaches 2.5:1 threshold to protect the amp. This is also
> programmable.
> 
> The menu settings for all of this are in the KPA500 Operations Manual on
> page 19.  BTW, there is no T/R relay to click in the amp. It uses PIN Diode
> T/R switching.  When you key the amp, and if you have it connected to the
> same PTT as the radio, you should see an asterisk (*) in the LCD window that
> tells you the amp is "keyed".
> 
> You may have blown up the input attenuator. Or the RF deck. Or both. As a
> machine I used to work with said when its power supply was overheating: "$$$
> UP IN SMOKE!".
> 
> 73
> 
> Lu Romero - W4LT
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Michael Walker 
> To: Andy Durbin 
> Cc: "Elecraft@mailman.qth.net" 
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Killed the KPA500 :)
> Message-ID:
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> 
> I have the schematics, as someone was kind enough to send them to me.
> 
> Yes, I forgot the KPA500 powers up in Operate.  It is the only Amp I own
> that does this.
> 
> I will mention it to Elecraft when I chat with them later today and suggest
> the default should be the other way around.
> 
> Mike va3mw
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Killed the KPA500 :)

2018-11-16 Thread Jack Brindle via Elecraft
Mike;

If you haven’t done so already, please call the customer support guys down in 
Watsonville. They should be able to help you with the situation. They may ask 
for a fault log from your KPA500 - if so please provide it. I will try to 
quickly turn around the analysis that I do each time one of these is requested.

The KPA500 does have many protections for bad conditions. As others have 
stated, the KPA defaults to Standby at power on, but may be set to switch over 
to OPER mode shortly after power-up with a menu setting. This can be saved 
using the menu item: PWR-ON. That default value for that setting is STBY. 

When the KPA detects input power over 50 watts we will insert a 3db attenuator 
and continue operating. At this point the FAULT LED will be blinking to alert 
you as to the condition that needs correction. If the input power is over 60 
watts for more than one half second or over 50 watts for 5 seconds we will go 
to a fault condition. If the input power is over 75 watts the KPA will 
immediately go to a fault condition.

The KPA500 has a lot of checks and processes to correct problem situations. 
Excess power over an extended period or happening many times can damage the 
input network and lead to amplifier failures. As with any amplifier, avoiding 
that situation is always a good thing, and assures use of the amplifier for 
years to come.

Let’s see what we can do to get you back on the air quickly. Again, please give 
customer support a call so we can get that going.

73,
Jack, W6FB
Elecraft Engineering



> On Nov 16, 2018, at 6:58 AM, Michael Walker  wrote:
> 
> Sorry
> 
> I don't use a K3 and it was a mistake in my in head checklist.
> 
> Mike va3mw
> 
> On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 9:56 AM Bob McGraw K4TAX 
> wrote:
> 
>> You can configure the amp via the MENU to power up in the stand-by mode.
>> Also have it go to stand-by when changing bands.
>> 
>> You should have the amp connected to the K3 via the multi conductor cable
>> and not use the amp key cable.
>> 
>> The amp follows the radio and none of this will happen.
>> 
>> Bob, K4TAX
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 16, 2018, at 7:52 AM, Michael Walker 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have the schematics, as someone was kind enough to send them to me.
>>> 
>>> Yes, I forgot the KPA500 powers up in Operate.  It is the only Amp I own
>>> that does this.
>>> 
>>> I will mention it to Elecraft when I chat with them later today and
>> suggest
>>> the default should be the other way around.
>>> 
>>> Mike va3mw
>>> 
>>> 
 On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 8:27 AM ANDY DURBIN  wrote:
 
 "The unit was powered on and it came up in operate mode while the HF
>> radio
 was in TX at 100w on 6M. End result is that the magic smoke got out. :)"
 
 
 I suspect this is a very common mistake for ops who sometimes use the
>> amp
 and sometimes operate barefoot. I thought the KPA500 was designed to
 protect against that user error. Seems I was wrong.
 
 
 Suggest you contact support for schematics. Unless their policy has
 changed recently they will provide them to you.
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Killed the KPA500 :)

2018-11-16 Thread Luis V. Romero
Michael:

The KPA500 defaults to power up in STANDBY but is programmable to power up
in OPERATE mode. Someone must have changed yours.

The KPA500 can also be programmed to switch to standby on band changes. It
defaults to selecting STANDBY or OPERATE per the last band change.

When connected to a K3 using the KPAUX cables, the amplifier and the radio
communicate and the radio will reduce power when you switch the amp to
OPERATE.

I run mine in Power up: STANDBY, Band change: Switch to STANDBY.  Its harder
to do stupid things in this configuration. I'd rather accidentally transmit
at 100w than blow the amp up. Also, my KAT500 tuner can auto bypass the amp
if the SWR reaches 2.5:1 threshold to protect the amp. This is also
programmable.

The menu settings for all of this are in the KPA500 Operations Manual on
page 19.  BTW, there is no T/R relay to click in the amp. It uses PIN Diode
T/R switching.  When you key the amp, and if you have it connected to the
same PTT as the radio, you should see an asterisk (*) in the LCD window that
tells you the amp is "keyed".

You may have blown up the input attenuator. Or the RF deck. Or both. As a
machine I used to work with said when its power supply was overheating: "$$$
UP IN SMOKE!".

73

Lu Romero - W4LT




From: Michael Walker 
To: Andy Durbin 
Cc: "Elecraft@mailman.qth.net" 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Killed the KPA500 :)
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

I have the schematics, as someone was kind enough to send them to me.

Yes, I forgot the KPA500 powers up in Operate.  It is the only Amp I own
that does this.

I will mention it to Elecraft when I chat with them later today and suggest
the default should be the other way around.

Mike va3mw





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Re: [Elecraft] Killed the KPA500 :)

2018-11-16 Thread ANDY DURBIN
" I thought the KPA500 was designed to protect against that user error. Seems I 
was wrong. "


According to the KPA500 Owner's Manual the KPA500 should react to excessive 
drive by first switching in the attenuator and, if that is not sufficient drive 
reduction, issuing hard fault 06 and dropping to STBY.


Why was this KPA500 not protected? Are all KPA500 at risk of damage if driven 
with 100W? Will Elecraft be reviewing the fault log to see what went wrong?


My standard procedure would prevent ever driving with excessive power. (Change 
bands, drop to STBY, send 5 W tune signal, read LP100A SWR, check TS-590 power 
setting, if power correct and SWR ok then select OPER). However, I know I'm 
fallible and it is a design goal that my TS-590 <> Elecraft interface will 
fully automate this sequence.


Andy, k3wyc



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Re: [Elecraft] Killed the KPA500 :)

2018-11-16 Thread David Bunte
My KPA500 is configured to power on in STANDBY, but it stays in OPERATE

On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 9:57 AM Bob McGraw K4TAX 
wrote:

> You can configure the amp via the MENU to power up in the stand-by mode.
> Also have it go to stand-by when changing bands.
>
> You should have the amp connected to the K3 via the multi conductor cable
> and not use the amp key cable.
>
> The amp follows the radio and none of this will happen.
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 16, 2018, at 7:52 AM, Michael Walker 
> wrote:
> >
> > I have the schematics, as someone was kind enough to send them to me.
> >
> > Yes, I forgot the KPA500 powers up in Operate.  It is the only Amp I own
> > that does this.
> >
> > I will mention it to Elecraft when I chat with them later today and
> suggest
> > the default should be the other way around.
> >
> > Mike va3mw
> >
> >
> >> On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 8:27 AM ANDY DURBIN  wrote:
> >>
> >> "The unit was powered on and it came up in operate mode while the HF
> radio
> >> was in TX at 100w on 6M. End result is that the magic smoke got out. :)"
> >>
> >>
> >> I suspect this is a very common mistake for ops who sometimes use the
> amp
> >> and sometimes operate barefoot. I thought the KPA500 was designed to
> >> protect against that user error. Seems I was wrong.
> >>
> >>
> >> Suggest you contact support for schematics. Unless their policy has
> >> changed recently they will provide them to you.
> >>
> >>
> >> Andy, k3wyc
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Re: [Elecraft] Killed the KPA500 :)

2018-11-16 Thread David Bunte
now for the rest of my message:

It stays in OPERATE when I change bands. I would like for it to revert to
STANDBY when I change bands, but can't find how to configure it to behave
that way. I welcome the information on how to do so.

Thanks,

Dave - K9FN

On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 10:08 AM David Bunte  wrote:

> My KPA500 is configured to power on in STANDBY, but it stays in OPERATE
>
> On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 9:57 AM Bob McGraw K4TAX 
> wrote:
>
>> You can configure the amp via the MENU to power up in the stand-by mode.
>> Also have it go to stand-by when changing bands.
>>
>> You should have the amp connected to the K3 via the multi conductor cable
>> and not use the amp key cable.
>>
>> The amp follows the radio and none of this will happen.
>>
>> Bob, K4TAX
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Nov 16, 2018, at 7:52 AM, Michael Walker 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I have the schematics, as someone was kind enough to send them to me.
>> >
>> > Yes, I forgot the KPA500 powers up in Operate.  It is the only Amp I own
>> > that does this.
>> >
>> > I will mention it to Elecraft when I chat with them later today and
>> suggest
>> > the default should be the other way around.
>> >
>> > Mike va3mw
>> >
>> >
>> >> On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 8:27 AM ANDY DURBIN  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> "The unit was powered on and it came up in operate mode while the HF
>> radio
>> >> was in TX at 100w on 6M. End result is that the magic smoke got out.
>> :)"
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I suspect this is a very common mistake for ops who sometimes use the
>> amp
>> >> and sometimes operate barefoot. I thought the KPA500 was designed to
>> >> protect against that user error. Seems I was wrong.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Suggest you contact support for schematics. Unless their policy has
>> >> changed recently they will provide them to you.
>> >>
>> >>
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Re: [Elecraft] Killed the KPA500 :)

2018-11-16 Thread Bob McGraw K4TAX
See manual page 19 PWR ON   Also BAND CHG is the other parameter. 

Good luck with the repairs. 

Bob, K4TAX


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> On Nov 16, 2018, at 8:56 AM, Michael Walker  wrote:
> 
> Thanks all
> 
> I'll check the menu.  I certainly don't remember it being there, but I will
> have a 2nd look once I reassemble it and remove the smoked parts.
> 
> I have the schematics now.
> 
> Thanks, Mike va3mw
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 9:13 AM Mike Cox  wrote:
>> 
>> It's a MENU selection ... See MENU>PWR--ON ...
>> 
>>> On 11/16/2018 8:57 AM, Michael Blake via Elecraft wrote:
>>> My KPA500 does not power up in operate.  It always powers up in Standby.
>>> 
>>> 73 - Mike - K9JRI
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 16, 2018, at 8:52 AM, Michael Walker 
>> wrote:
 
 I have the schematics, as someone was kind enough to send them to me.
 
 Yes, I forgot the KPA500 powers up in Operate.  It is the only Amp I own
 that does this.
 
 I will mention it to Elecraft when I chat with them later today and
>> suggest
 the default should be the other way around.
 
 Mike va3mw
 
 
> On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 8:27 AM ANDY DURBIN  wrote:
> 
> "The unit was powered on and it came up in operate mode while the HF
>> radio
> was in TX at 100w on 6M. End result is that the magic smoke got out.
>> :)"
> 
> 
> I suspect this is a very common mistake for ops who sometimes use the
>> amp
> and sometimes operate barefoot. I thought the KPA500 was designed to
> protect against that user error. Seems I was wrong.
> 
> 
> Suggest you contact support for schematics. Unless their policy has
> changed recently they will provide them to you.
> 
> 
> Andy, k3wyc
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Re: [Elecraft] Killed the KPA500 :)

2018-11-16 Thread Michael Walker
Sorry

I don't use a K3 and it was a mistake in my in head checklist.

Mike va3mw

On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 9:56 AM Bob McGraw K4TAX 
wrote:

> You can configure the amp via the MENU to power up in the stand-by mode.
> Also have it go to stand-by when changing bands.
>
> You should have the amp connected to the K3 via the multi conductor cable
> and not use the amp key cable.
>
> The amp follows the radio and none of this will happen.
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 16, 2018, at 7:52 AM, Michael Walker 
> wrote:
> >
> > I have the schematics, as someone was kind enough to send them to me.
> >
> > Yes, I forgot the KPA500 powers up in Operate.  It is the only Amp I own
> > that does this.
> >
> > I will mention it to Elecraft when I chat with them later today and
> suggest
> > the default should be the other way around.
> >
> > Mike va3mw
> >
> >
> >> On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 8:27 AM ANDY DURBIN  wrote:
> >>
> >> "The unit was powered on and it came up in operate mode while the HF
> radio
> >> was in TX at 100w on 6M. End result is that the magic smoke got out. :)"
> >>
> >>
> >> I suspect this is a very common mistake for ops who sometimes use the
> amp
> >> and sometimes operate barefoot. I thought the KPA500 was designed to
> >> protect against that user error. Seems I was wrong.
> >>
> >>
> >> Suggest you contact support for schematics. Unless their policy has
> >> changed recently they will provide them to you.
> >>
> >>
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Re: [Elecraft] Killed the KPA500 :)

2018-11-16 Thread Michael Walker
Thanks all

I'll check the menu.  I certainly don't remember it being there, but I will
have a 2nd look once I reassemble it and remove the smoked parts.

I have the schematics now.

Thanks, Mike va3mw


On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 9:13 AM Mike Cox  wrote:

> It's a MENU selection ... See MENU>PWR--ON ...
>
> On 11/16/2018 8:57 AM, Michael Blake via Elecraft wrote:
> > My KPA500 does not power up in operate.  It always powers up in Standby.
> >
> > 73 - Mike - K9JRI
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Nov 16, 2018, at 8:52 AM, Michael Walker 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I have the schematics, as someone was kind enough to send them to me.
> >>
> >> Yes, I forgot the KPA500 powers up in Operate.  It is the only Amp I own
> >> that does this.
> >>
> >> I will mention it to Elecraft when I chat with them later today and
> suggest
> >> the default should be the other way around.
> >>
> >> Mike va3mw
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 8:27 AM ANDY DURBIN  wrote:
> >>
> >>> "The unit was powered on and it came up in operate mode while the HF
> radio
> >>> was in TX at 100w on 6M. End result is that the magic smoke got out.
> :)"
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I suspect this is a very common mistake for ops who sometimes use the
> amp
> >>> and sometimes operate barefoot. I thought the KPA500 was designed to
> >>> protect against that user error. Seems I was wrong.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Suggest you contact support for schematics. Unless their policy has
> >>> changed recently they will provide them to you.
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: [Elecraft] Killed the KPA500 :)

2018-11-16 Thread Bob McGraw K4TAX
You can configure the amp via the MENU to power up in the stand-by mode. Also 
have it go to stand-by when changing bands.  

You should have the amp connected to the K3 via the multi conductor cable and 
not use the amp key cable.   

The amp follows the radio and none of this will happen. 

Bob, K4TAX


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 16, 2018, at 7:52 AM, Michael Walker  wrote:
> 
> I have the schematics, as someone was kind enough to send them to me.
> 
> Yes, I forgot the KPA500 powers up in Operate.  It is the only Amp I own
> that does this.
> 
> I will mention it to Elecraft when I chat with them later today and suggest
> the default should be the other way around.
> 
> Mike va3mw
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 8:27 AM ANDY DURBIN  wrote:
>> 
>> "The unit was powered on and it came up in operate mode while the HF radio
>> was in TX at 100w on 6M. End result is that the magic smoke got out. :)"
>> 
>> 
>> I suspect this is a very common mistake for ops who sometimes use the amp
>> and sometimes operate barefoot. I thought the KPA500 was designed to
>> protect against that user error. Seems I was wrong.
>> 
>> 
>> Suggest you contact support for schematics. Unless their policy has
>> changed recently they will provide them to you.
>> 
>> 
>> Andy, k3wyc
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Re: [Elecraft] Killed the KPA500 :)

2018-11-16 Thread Raymond Sills
Hi guys:


No mention was made of whether the transceiver was being operated by the front 
panel or via CAT commands.  Maybe something in some running software sent an 
"operate" command when it should not have.  It'll be interesting to know what 
the cause of the incident turns out to be.




73 de Ray
K2ULR
KX3 #211




-Original Message-
From: Ken Wagner K3IU 
To: Michael Blake ; Michael Walker 
Cc: Elecraft Reflector ; Andy Durbin 

Sent: Fri, Nov 16, 2018 9:05 am
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Killed the KPA500 :)

Me too... or mine too.
73, Ken K3IU
~~

On 11/16/2018 8:57 AM, Michael Blake via 
Elecraft wrote:
> My KPA500 does not power up in operate.  It always powers up in Standby.
>
> 73 - Mike - K9JRI
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> On Nov 16, 2018, at 8:52 AM, Michael Walker  wrote:
>>
>> I have the schematics, as someone was kind enough to send them to me.
>>
>> Yes, I forgot the KPA500 powers up in Operate.  It is the only Amp I own
>> that does this.
>>
>> I will mention it to Elecraft when I chat with them later today and suggest
>> the default should be the other way around.
>>
>> Mike va3mw
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 8:27 AM ANDY DURBIN  wrote:
>>
>>> "The unit was powered on and it came up in operate mode while the HF radio
>>> was in TX at 100w on 6M. End result is that the magic smoke got out. :)"
>>>
>>>
>>> I suspect this is a very common mistake for ops who sometimes use the amp
>>> and sometimes operate barefoot. I thought the KPA500 was designed to
>>> protect against that user error. Seems I was wrong.
>>>
>>>
>>> Suggest you contact support for schematics. Unless their policy has
>>> changed recently they will provide them to you.
>>>
>>>
>>> Andy, k3wyc
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Re: [Elecraft] Killed the KPA500 :)

2018-11-16 Thread Mike Cox

It's a MENU selection ... See MENU>PWR--ON ...

On 11/16/2018 8:57 AM, Michael Blake via Elecraft wrote:

My KPA500 does not power up in operate.  It always powers up in Standby.

73 - Mike - K9JRI







On Nov 16, 2018, at 8:52 AM, Michael Walker  wrote:

I have the schematics, as someone was kind enough to send them to me.

Yes, I forgot the KPA500 powers up in Operate.  It is the only Amp I own
that does this.

I will mention it to Elecraft when I chat with them later today and suggest
the default should be the other way around.

Mike va3mw


On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 8:27 AM ANDY DURBIN  wrote:


"The unit was powered on and it came up in operate mode while the HF radio
was in TX at 100w on 6M. End result is that the magic smoke got out. :)"


I suspect this is a very common mistake for ops who sometimes use the amp
and sometimes operate barefoot. I thought the KPA500 was designed to
protect against that user error. Seems I was wrong.


Suggest you contact support for schematics. Unless their policy has
changed recently they will provide them to you.


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Re: [Elecraft] Killed the KPA500 :)

2018-11-16 Thread kb2mjeff

Mine also always powers up in standby...

73 Jeff kb2m

-Original Message- 
From: Michael Blake via Elecraft

Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 8:57 AM
To: Michael Walker
Cc: Elecraft Reflector ; Andy Durbin
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Killed the KPA500 :)

My KPA500 does not power up in operate.  It always powers up in Standby.

73 - Mike - K9JRI







On Nov 16, 2018, at 8:52 AM, Michael Walker  wrote:

I have the schematics, as someone was kind enough to send them to me.

Yes, I forgot the KPA500 powers up in Operate.  It is the only Amp I own
that does this.

I will mention it to Elecraft when I chat with them later today and 
suggest

the default should be the other way around.

Mike va3mw


On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 8:27 AM ANDY DURBIN  wrote:

"The unit was powered on and it came up in operate mode while the HF 
radio

was in TX at 100w on 6M. End result is that the magic smoke got out. :)"


I suspect this is a very common mistake for ops who sometimes use the amp
and sometimes operate barefoot. I thought the KPA500 was designed to
protect against that user error. Seems I was wrong.


Suggest you contact support for schematics. Unless their policy has
changed recently they will provide them to you.


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Re: [Elecraft] Killed the KPA500 :)

2018-11-16 Thread ANDY DURBIN
"My KPA500 does not power up in operate.  It always powers up in Standby."

Mine too.  I also drop to STBY on band change.  Both are user configurable and, 
since this is my first amp, I chose settings that leaned towards safety rather 
than operator convenience.  I forget what the defaults were.

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Re: [Elecraft] Killed the KPA500 :)

2018-11-16 Thread Ken Winterling
The power up state, “standby” or “operate”, is programmable.  I’ve always
felt is was safer to have an amp power up in standby in most cases.  Some
remote operators may want it to power up in “operate” but would have to
take measures to ensure the exciter was in standby at the time.

Ken
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On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 08:58 Michael Blake via Elecraft <
elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> My KPA500 does not power up in operate.  It always powers up in Standby.
>
> 73 - Mike - K9JRI
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 16, 2018, at 8:52 AM, Michael Walker 
> wrote:
> >
> > I have the schematics, as someone was kind enough to send them to me.
> >
> > Yes, I forgot the KPA500 powers up in Operate.  It is the only Amp I own
> > that does this.
> >
> > I will mention it to Elecraft when I chat with them later today and
> suggest
> > the default should be the other way around.
> >
> > Mike va3mw
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 8:27 AM ANDY DURBIN  wrote:
> >
> >> "The unit was powered on and it came up in operate mode while the HF
> radio
> >> was in TX at 100w on 6M. End result is that the magic smoke got out. :)"
> >>
> >>
> >> I suspect this is a very common mistake for ops who sometimes use the
> amp
> >> and sometimes operate barefoot. I thought the KPA500 was designed to
> >> protect against that user error. Seems I was wrong.
> >>
> >>
> >> Suggest you contact support for schematics. Unless their policy has
> >> changed recently they will provide them to you.
> >>
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Re: [Elecraft] Killed the KPA500 :)

2018-11-16 Thread Ken Wagner K3IU

Me too... or mine too.
73, Ken K3IU
~~

On 11/16/2018 8:57 AM, Michael Blake via 
Elecraft wrote:

My KPA500 does not power up in operate.  It always powers up in Standby.

73 - Mike - K9JRI







On Nov 16, 2018, at 8:52 AM, Michael Walker  wrote:

I have the schematics, as someone was kind enough to send them to me.

Yes, I forgot the KPA500 powers up in Operate.  It is the only Amp I own
that does this.

I will mention it to Elecraft when I chat with them later today and suggest
the default should be the other way around.

Mike va3mw


On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 8:27 AM ANDY DURBIN  wrote:


"The unit was powered on and it came up in operate mode while the HF radio
was in TX at 100w on 6M. End result is that the magic smoke got out. :)"


I suspect this is a very common mistake for ops who sometimes use the amp
and sometimes operate barefoot. I thought the KPA500 was designed to
protect against that user error. Seems I was wrong.


Suggest you contact support for schematics. Unless their policy has
changed recently they will provide them to you.


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Re: [Elecraft] Killed the KPA500 :)

2018-11-16 Thread Michael Blake via Elecraft
My KPA500 does not power up in operate.  It always powers up in Standby.

73 - Mike - K9JRI






> On Nov 16, 2018, at 8:52 AM, Michael Walker  wrote:
> 
> I have the schematics, as someone was kind enough to send them to me.
> 
> Yes, I forgot the KPA500 powers up in Operate.  It is the only Amp I own
> that does this.
> 
> I will mention it to Elecraft when I chat with them later today and suggest
> the default should be the other way around.
> 
> Mike va3mw
> 
> 
> On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 8:27 AM ANDY DURBIN  wrote:
> 
>> "The unit was powered on and it came up in operate mode while the HF radio
>> was in TX at 100w on 6M. End result is that the magic smoke got out. :)"
>> 
>> 
>> I suspect this is a very common mistake for ops who sometimes use the amp
>> and sometimes operate barefoot. I thought the KPA500 was designed to
>> protect against that user error. Seems I was wrong.
>> 
>> 
>> Suggest you contact support for schematics. Unless their policy has
>> changed recently they will provide them to you.
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Killed the KPA500 :)

2018-11-16 Thread Michael Walker
I have the schematics, as someone was kind enough to send them to me.

Yes, I forgot the KPA500 powers up in Operate.  It is the only Amp I own
that does this.

I will mention it to Elecraft when I chat with them later today and suggest
the default should be the other way around.

Mike va3mw


On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 8:27 AM ANDY DURBIN  wrote:

> "The unit was powered on and it came up in operate mode while the HF radio
> was in TX at 100w on 6M. End result is that the magic smoke got out. :)"
>
>
> I suspect this is a very common mistake for ops who sometimes use the amp
> and sometimes operate barefoot. I thought the KPA500 was designed to
> protect against that user error. Seems I was wrong.
>
>
> Suggest you contact support for schematics. Unless their policy has
> changed recently they will provide them to you.
>
>
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