Re: [Election-Methods] Simple two candidate election

2007-12-21 Thread Jonathan Lundell
On Dec 21, 2007, at 7:41 AM, Jan Kok wrote: I personally have voted on bylaws or platform issues at political conventions, where I wanted to cast a weak vote rather than a strong yes or no vote. The reason was that I had only a weak opinion, and would have preferred to let those with strong

[Election-Methods] RE : Re: Simple two candidate election

2007-12-21 Thread Kevin Venzke
Hello, --- Jan Kok [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : To restate the questions my own way: What do we _mean_ by best, fairest, most democratic, etc. Is there some standard (criterion, figure of merit) that we can all agree upon for evaluating and comparing voting methods? It appears that, so far,

Re: [Election-Methods] Borda-elimination, a Condorcet method for public elections?

2007-12-21 Thread Ian Fellows
Markus, Thank you for your insight. I certainly agree with you that only the best method should be used, but I would pose to you the question: Why is it that the best method isn't used? You and I (though not some others) would agree that the condorcet criterion is the correct one when

[Election-Methods] RE : Re: Borda-elimination, a Condorcet method for public elections?

2007-12-21 Thread Kevin Venzke
Ian, I think a big part of the reason that Condorcet methods aren't adopted is that from the perspective of a party in power, it's clear how such methods could undermine their ability to stay in power. IRV has some ability to disregard weak candidates, that's all; if a party in power is sometimes

Re: [Election-Methods] Borda-elimination, a Condorcet method for public elections?

2007-12-21 Thread Diego Santos
Ian, I do not understand your argument. Borda elimination is not so simple to comprehend for all voters. If is not possible to use Schulze or MAM in an election, perhaps pairwise sorted plurality would be a easy alternative: If no beats-all candidate exists, eliminate the plurality loser. Like

Re: [Election-Methods] Borda-elimination, a Condorcet method for public elections?

2007-12-21 Thread Diego Santos
A correction: 2007/12/22, Diego Santos [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ian, I do not understand your argument. Borda elimination is not so simple to comprehend for all voters. If is not possible to use Schulze or MAM in an election, perhaps pairwise sorted plurality would be a easy alternative: If no