Re: [Election-Methods] RELEASE: Instant Runoff Voting

2008-07-28 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:30:10 -0400 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: ... Actually, the term in the first sentence is majority rule, which, in actual operation, makes decisions always between two alternatives, minimized to Yes or No on a single question. ... It could be made compatible, and the

Re: [Election-Methods] RELEASE: Instant Runoff Voting

2008-07-28 Thread James Gilmour
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 5:35 AM As I said in the previous message, the origins of IRV are in the Exhaustive Ballot, and in the Exhaustive Ballot there is no possibility of looking at the entire ballot. Can you provide a source for the claim that the origins of IRV

Re: [Election-Methods] RELEASE: Instant Runoff Voting

2008-07-28 Thread Chris Benham
Aaron, In an important respect, Condorcet is more natural than IRV: if a majority prefers Brad over Carter, this preference exists whether the voting system does anything with it, or even elicits enough information to determine that it exists. Yes, except that Condorcet is a criterion and  IRV

Re: [Election-Methods] RELEASE: Instant Runoff Voting

2008-07-28 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
(Oops, seems I sent this only to James Gilmour. Let's try again. ) James Gilmour wrote: it would have to look at the entire ballot. That is a consequence of your interpretation of how the voting system is supposed to work and what the voting system is supposed to be doing. But that's not

Re: [Election-Methods] RELEASE: Instant Runoff Voting

2008-07-28 Thread James Gilmour
Kristofer Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 10:58 AM James Gilmour wrote: it would have to look at the entire ballot. That is a consequence of your interpretation of how the voting system is supposed to work and what the voting system is supposed to be doing. But that's not what IRV

Re: [Election-Methods] RELEASE: Instant Runoff Voting

2008-07-28 Thread Aaron Armitage
--- On Mon, 7/28/08, Chris Benham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Chris Benham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re:RELEASE: Instant Runoff Voting To: EM election-methods@lists.electorama.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 9:57 AM Aaron, In an important respect, Condorcet is

[Election-Methods] IRV hurts racial minorities?

2008-07-28 Thread Warren Smith
A web page analysing this topic is here http://rangevoting.org/IRVraceMinorities.html -- Warren D. Smith http://RangeVoting.org -- add your endorsement (by clicking endorse as 1st step) and math.temple.edu/~wds/homepage/works.html Election-Methods mailing list - see

Re: [Election-Methods] IRV hurts racial minorities?

2008-07-28 Thread James Gilmour
Warren Smith Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 10:58 PM A web page analysing this topic is here http://rangevoting.org/IRVraceMinorities.html Whatever the merits or demerits of any single-winner voting system in respective of minority representation, if you are serious about representation of

Re: [Election-Methods] RELEASE: Instant Runoff Voting

2008-07-28 Thread Aaron Armitage
--- On Mon, 7/28/08, James Gilmour [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That all ranked ballot voting systems must be assessed using criteria and tests that can be applied to them all, is your view, and it may be the view of others. But I would suggest it ignores some fundamental differences between

Re: [Election-Methods] IRV hurts racial minorities?

2008-07-28 Thread Juho
Yes, this article didn't increase the scientific credibility of the rangevoting site much :-). So given this, we suggest to you that based on the data that we have, and until any evidence comes along to the contrary, you should conclude that IRV disfavors racial minorities. Eating ice