[EM] Free riding

2008-08-31 Thread Juho
Woodall free riding uses some irrelevant candidate that is ranked first. Hylland free riding does not rank the favourite candidate. A third approach to free riding is to rearrange the candidates to reflect the estimated probabilities. The true preference order of a voter is ABCDE... The

Re: [EM] A computationally feasible method

2008-08-31 Thread Raph Frank
On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 5:46 PM, Juho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To gain even better trust that this set is the best one one could publish the best found set and then wait for a week and allow other interested parties to seek for even better sets. Maybe different parties or candidates try to

Re: [EM] A computationally feasible method

2008-08-31 Thread Brian Olson
On Aug 31, 2008, at 8:25 AM, Raph Frank wrote: On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 5:46 PM, Juho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To gain even better trust that this set is the best one one could publish the best found set and then wait for a week and allow other interested parties to seek for even better

Re: [EM] A computationally feasible method

2008-08-31 Thread Raph Frank
On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Brian Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 31, 2008, at 8:25 AM, Raph Frank wrote: Ofc, he doesn't define geographic centers of the districts, which presumably means the centre of gravity of the district. I'm pretty sure I want the average point of the land

Re: [EM] Free riding

2008-08-31 Thread Markus Schulze
Hallo, Juho wrote (31 Aug 2008): Woodall free riding uses some irrelevant candidate that is ranked first. Hylland free riding does not rank the favourite candidate. A third approach to free riding is to rearrange the candidates to reflect the estimated probabilities. The true

Re: [EM] Free riding

2008-08-31 Thread Raph Frank
On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 8:28 PM, Markus Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Raph Frank wrote (31 Aug 2008): I think this is the strategy that most parties actually use for vote management. They never recommend to the voters not to rank a certain party member. Actually, it is the main

Re: [EM] A computationally feasible method

2008-08-31 Thread Juho
On Aug 31, 2008, at 15:25 , Raph Frank wrote: On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 5:46 PM, Juho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To gain even better trust that this set is the best one one could publish the best found set and then wait for a week and allow other interested parties to seek for even better

Re: [EM] Free riding

2008-08-31 Thread Juho
On Aug 31, 2008, at 22:28 , Markus Schulze wrote: Juho wrote (31 Aug 2008): Woodall free riding uses some irrelevant candidate that is ranked first. Hylland free riding does not rank the favourite candidate. A third approach to free riding is to rearrange the candidates to reflect the

Re: [EM] Free riding

2008-08-31 Thread Juho
On Aug 31, 2008, at 19:52 , Raph Frank wrote: The true preference order of a voter is ABCDE... The voter expects A to be elected quite certainly. Candidates B and C are less certain. The voter considers B and C to be almost as good as A. Candidates starting from D are considerably worse.

Re: [EM] language/framing quibble

2008-08-31 Thread Fred Gohlke
Thank you for writing that, Brian Olson, I felt it but wouldn't say it. My impression, from trying to follow some of the discussions on this site, is that there's little, if any, interest in democracy. Instead, the esoteric schemes proposed here seem intended to empower minorities (factions,

Re: [EM] A computationally feasible method

2008-08-31 Thread Kathy Dopp
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 13:25:49 +0100 From: Raph Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [EM] A computationally feasible method Brian Olson suggests this approach for his anti-gerrymandering proposals. http://bolson.org/dist/USIRA.html and http://bolson.org/dist/ I suggested a similar

Re: [EM] A computationally feasible method (algorithmic redistricting)

2008-08-31 Thread greg
From: Kathy Dopp [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Raph Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brian Olson suggests this approach for his anti-gerrymandering proposals. http://bolson.org/dist/USIRA.html and http://bolson.org/dist/ I suggested a similar mathematical method for drawing Congressional districts a few

Re: [EM] A computationally feasible method (algorithmic redistricting)

2008-08-31 Thread Michael Rouse
There was a discussion of district-drawing algorithms on the election-methods list a few years back. I've always thought that taking centroidal Voronoi cells with equal populations was an elegant way to do it. Here's an example of standard Voronoi cells and the centroidal version I pulled