Re: [EM] Why I Prefer IRV to Condorcet

2008-11-22 Thread Greg
Yes, this is as intuitive as it comes in terms of IRV strategy, but I still find it ultimately counter-intuitive for the average voter. Candidate C has a the second-most number of first choices, which likely corresponds to the second-biggest campaign (second-most amount of money, volunteers, name

Re: [EM] language/framing quibble

2008-11-22 Thread Fred Gohlke
Good Morning, Kristofer re: You may say that parties, wanting to be re-elected, would stay in center ... I think parties are more inclined to keep one foot in the center while stretching as far as they can toward the extreme with the other. That's why we so often hear that the

Re: [EM] Election-Methods Digest, Vol 53, Issue 44

2008-11-22 Thread Kevin Venzke
Hi Greg, --- En date de : Ven 21.11.08, Greg Dennis [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : A fair point. I don't see it in practice, though. In the recent San Francisco IRV elections, for example, there were three open seats (incumbents weren't running). Two of the seats saw 9 candidates running, one

[EM] polls and manipulation

2008-11-22 Thread Jonathan Lundell
On Nov 21, 2008, at 11:00 PM, Juho Laatu wrote: Here's one IRV example with three strong candidates and where voters do have some incentive to compromise. 45: ABC 10: BAC 15: BCA 30: CBA We have one centrist candidate (B) between two others. According to this poll it seems that B will be

Re: [EM] Why I Prefer IRV to Condorcet

2008-11-22 Thread Greg
Perhaps intuitiveness is a bit in the eyes of the beholder, but I'll tell you the strategies I find intuitive: - Burying a candidate with strong first choice support - Bullet voting for a candidate with strong first choice support - A compromise in which you switch your first choice vote to a

Re: [EM] Why I Prefer IRV to Condorcet

2008-11-22 Thread Juho Laatu
--- On Sat, 22/11/08, Greg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps intuitiveness is a bit in the eyes of the beholder, but I'll tell you the strategies I find intuitive: - Burying a candidate with strong first choice support Yes. This is close to the case that I discussed. I didn't assume strong