[EM] MAM website now in Unicode (was: Immunity From Majority Complaints now free of Symbol font (was: Re: Who comes second in Ranked Pairs?))

2008-12-03 Thread Steve Eppley
Hi, I've replaced all the Microsoft Symbol fonts in the MAM website (www.alumni.caltech.edu/~seppley) with Unicode to make the website accessible to more people. Other web browsers besides Microsoft Internet Explorer can now display the math and Greek symbols used in the formal definitions,

Re: [EM] Single-winner election data from the OpenSTV database

2008-12-03 Thread Steve Eppley
Hi, I think it's misleading to compare voting methods pseudo-empirically the way Greg did below, because the positions on the issues that the candidates will take (assuming they want to win) depend (in part) on the voting method, and the decisions by potential candidates whether to run

[EM] Why I think IRV isn't a serious alternative

2008-12-03 Thread Chris Benham
Forest, What nicer distribution can  you think of.. Nice (and nicer) is a fuzzy emotional/aesthetic term that I might apply to food, music, people etc. but seems unscientific and out-of-place here (and I'm not sure exactly what it's supposed to mean). I can see that such a distribution is

Re: [EM] another reason to avoid strategic motivations

2008-12-03 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:13 AM 12/2/2008, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote: On another note, Abd says the only method that got better Bayesian Regret scores than Range, among those Warren has tested, is Range + top two runoff. To my knowledge, that's not true, as Warren says a DSV variant of Range got better scores

Re: [EM] Why the concept of sincere votes in Range is flawed.

2008-12-03 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:25 AM 12/2/2008, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote: That's not really what an approval cutoff is. An approval cutoff is used by some methods to denote the candidates above are those I can accept; those below, I really don't like. At least that's what I understand, though some methods may

Re: [EM] Why the concept of sincere votes in Range is flawed.

2008-12-03 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:31 PM 12/2/2008, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote: Are there any other ways of defining a sincere and non-strategic ratings ballot? Direct external reference of the sort I'd pay amount Z to have X elected fails because of income differences and the nonlinearity of money. Definitions based on

Re: [EM] Why the concept of sincere votes in Range is flawed.

2008-12-03 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:32 PM 12/2/2008, Jonathan Lundell wrote: Good point; you're quite right. My claim might be right in the context of zero polling knowledge, but not otherwise. Which is all the worse for Approval. I responded to Mr. Bouricius. His example was misleading, in fact, because the illogical

Re: [EM] Why the concept of sincere votes in Range is flawed.

2008-12-03 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:47 PM 12/2/2008, Jonathan Lundell wrote: On Dec 2, 2008, at 1:24 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Yes. Preference can be determined, generally, rather easily, by one of two methods. The first method is pairwise comparison. With a series of pairwise comparisons, we can construct a rank

[EM] Unmanipulable Majority strategy criterion (newly amended version)

2008-12-03 Thread Chris Benham
Regarding my proposed Unmanipulable Majority criterion: *If (assuming there are more than two candidates) the ballot rules don't constrain voters to expressing fewer than three preference-levels, and A wins being voted above B on more than half the ballots, then it must not be possible to make

Re: [EM] Why the concept of sincere votes in Range is flawed.

2008-12-03 Thread Paul Kislanko
-Original Message- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax At 07:19 PM 12/1/2008, Paul Kislanko wrote: PS. This is what I don't like about approval. In my generalized voter-friendly ballot, Approval requires me to vote A=B=C=D... when I really like A a lot better than the others. But that method

[EM] Voting space graphs, varying sigma

2008-12-03 Thread Brian Olson
http://bolson.org/voting/sim_one_seat/20081203/ Tight population grouping at the left moving to widely spread on the right. Brian Olson http://bolson.org/ (Sent from my iPhone) Election-Methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info

Re: [EM] Why I think IRV isn't a serious alternative

2008-12-03 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:25 PM 11/26/2008, Ralph Suter wrote: To Greg Dennis: I appreciate your efforts to express your arguments clearly and defend them with good data. Nevertheless, I find them mostly unpersuasive. Yes, we noticed. That they were unpersuasive. That Mr. Suter comments on this is significant,

Re: [EM] Why I think IRV isn't a serious alternative

2008-12-03 Thread James Gilmour
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 10:52 PM The tragedy is that IRV is replacing Top Two Runoff, an older reform that actually works better than IRV. I have seen statements like this quite a few times, and they puzzle me. I can see the benefit in TTRO in knowing