Re: [EM] Advanced Voting Systems

2008-12-29 Thread Michael Allan
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Thanks. I think, though, that some of the writing on Liquid Democracy predates this, and it used recursive delegation. Continuous recast simply means that you can change your proxy or representative at any time. I find discussions in personal Web forums, all dated

[EM] CDTT criterion compliance desirable?

2008-12-29 Thread Chris Benham
Marcus, You wrote (25 Dec. 2008): Dear Chris Benham, you wrote (25 Dec 2008): I had already proposed this criterion in 1997. Why then do you list it as Woodall's CDTT criterion instead of your own Generalised Majority Criterion? Did, as far as you know, Woodall ever actually proposethe CDTT

[EM] GMC compliance a mistaken standard? (was CDTT criterion...)

2008-12-29 Thread Chris Benham
The  Generalised Majority Criterion says in effect that the winner must come from Woodall's CDTT set, and is defined by Marcus Schulze thus (October 1997): Definition (Generalized Majority Criterion):    X Y means, that a majority of the voters prefers    X to Y.    There is a majority

Re: [EM] Why I think IRV isn't a serious alternative 2

2008-12-29 Thread Terry Bouricius
Abd wrote: snip The term majority as applied to elections has some very well-established meanings. If we say that a candidate got a majority in an election, we mean that a majority of those voting supported that candidate. There are quibbles around the edges. What about ballots with marks on them

Re: [EM] GMC compliance a mistaken standard? (was CDTT criterion...)

2008-12-29 Thread Markus Schulze
Dear Chris Benham, you wrote (29 Dec 2008): The Generalised Majority Criterion says in effect that the winner must come from Woodall's CDTT set, and is defined by Markus Schulze thus (October 1997): Definition (Generalized Majority Criterion): X Y means, that a majority of the

Re: [EM] Why I think IRV isn't a serious alternative 2

2008-12-29 Thread Terry Bouricius
Kathy Dopp wrote: snip since abstentions or blanks are from those who have not voted. snip I believe my interpretation of Robert's Rules of Order is correct. In order for a ballot being reviewed by a teller to be blank, and thus excluded from the majority threshold calculation, as directed by

Re: [EM] Why I think IRV isn't a serious alternative 2

2008-12-29 Thread Kathy Dopp
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 6:50 PM, Terry Bouricius ter...@burlingtontelecom.net wrote: Kathy Dopp wrote: snip since abstentions or blanks are from those who have not voted. snip To be more precise, I meant since abstentions or blanks are from those who have not voted IN THE ELECTION CONTEST.

Re: [EM] Why I think IRV isn't a serious alternative 2

2008-12-29 Thread Dave Ketchum
I side with Abd over Terry on this one. Topic is what activity should be counted as a vote in determining what percentage of the votes were for the leader (was it a majority?). Agreed that overvotes count - the voter clearly intended to vote, though the result was defective. Agreed that

Re: [EM] Why I think IRV isn't a serious alternative 2

2008-12-29 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:50 PM 12/29/2008, Terry Bouricius wrote: Kathy Dopp wrote: snip since abstentions or blanks are from those who have not voted. snip I believe my interpretation of Robert's Rules of Order is correct. In order for a ballot being reviewed by a teller to be blank, and thus excluded from the