[EM] The Occupy Movement: A Ray of Hope -- in Politics

2011-12-12 Thread Dave Ketchum
Thanks to Mike for adding some thought. This subject is offering some thought toward Occupy getting something workable in 2012 - a year in which new and usable thoughts are needed quickly. One complication is that our target is composed of 50 states with differing laws and differing collec

Re: [EM] Mike: variations on Kevin's ABE and LRV

2011-12-12 Thread fsimmons
Mike asked ... > You can reach the person managing the list at > Forest? > > > > > > Could LRV, due to the bottom symmetrical completion, > sometimes have an ABE-like problem, if the numbers were somewhat > differentfrom those of the usual ABE? Could it have a co- > operation/defection pro

Re: [EM] This might be the method we've been looking for:

2011-12-12 Thread fsimmons
Thanks for checking the details. In traditional game theory the rational stratetgies are based on the assumption of perfect knowledge, so the A faction would know if the B faction was lying about its real preferences. Even knowing that the other faction knew that they were lying they could

[EM] Forest: MAMT

2011-12-12 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Forest: Thanks for the suggestion of MAMT. MAMT is an addition to the list of FBC/ABE methods to choose from. People should be looking into its properties. Tell me what you know, so far, about its properties, and, in particular, how its properties differ from those of ordinary MMT (MMT2). I t

[EM] Dave: Re: The Occupy-Movement

2011-12-12 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Dave: You wrote; If there is truth in what I read, the US desperately needs better attention to public safety, including officers, and those directing them, behaving better. The Occupy Movement needs to see this as an important reason to see to such [endquote] Sure, but usually emotion

Re: [EM] This might be the method we've been looking for:

2011-12-12 Thread Andy Jennings
You're right. I've drawn out the game theory matrix and the honest outcome: 49 C 27 A>B 24 B>A is indeed the stable one, with A winning. So the only way for B to win is for his supporters to say they are indifferent between A and C and threaten to bullet vote "B". Then the A supporters fall for

[EM] Two failed postings, and then one complete one

2011-12-12 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
I twice tried to post a message today. The first two trie only fractionally posted. On the 3rd try, I successfully posted the message. So disregard the first two messages of mine entitled "Chris: MMT's strategy incentives". The two failed postings were do to "upgrades", one which I had no cho

[EM] Chris: MMT's strategy incentives

2011-12-12 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Random fill:     First of all, here it isn’t random, for two reasons:   One: There is only one level of intermediate support. This is a 3-slot method. So there’s no need for random choice of which Intermediate position to give to a candidate.   Two: The matter of whom to middle-rate isn’

[EM] Chris: MMP's strategy incentives

2011-12-12 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
In other words, supporters of less popular candidates choose to support and elect a more popular compromise. If you know that your candidate is Plurality winner (and if your only interest is electing hir), then you should middle-rate all of the other candidates (at least the ones who aren’

[EM] Chris: MMP's strategy incentives

2011-12-12 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
In other words, supporters of less popular candidates choose to support and elect a more popular compromise. If you know that your candidate is Plurality winner (and if your only interest is electing hir), then you should middle-rate all of the other candidates (at least the ones who aren’t