Mike,
Someone said that IRV lets you vote more preferences than Approval
does. But what good
does that do, if it doesn't count them?
The term count here can be a bit vague and propagandistic. Also you
imply that it is always better to count preferences (no matter how)
than to not.
Also
On 30.11.2011, at 7.23, C.Benham wrote:
Juho Laatu wrote (29 Nov 2011):
I'd like to add that IRV is an algorithm for those that want to favour the
large parties.
The main thing that favours large parties is legislators elected in
single-member districts versus some form of PR in
Ted Stern wrote (29 Nov 2011):
47: A
05: AB (sincere is AB)
41: B
07: BC
Approvals: B53, A52, C7
I find this example contrived.
* If mass polling is available, many people will be aware of the
52/48 split between A and B ahead of time.
* Corruption is a separate issue. With
On 29.11.2011, at 6.07, C.Benham wrote:
In IRV if you are convinced of that you have no compelling reason to
compromise because you
can expect F to be eliminated and your vote transferred to C. No, to have a
good reason to compromise
you must be convinced that F *will* be one of the top 2
To say that IRV fails FBC is an understatement.
IRV fails FBC with a vengeance.
IRV thereby makes a joke any election in which it is used.
As I've already said, all it takes is for favoriteness-support to taper
moderately gradually away from the middle, something
that is hardly unusual.
On 28 Nov 2011 20:24:37 -0800, Chris Benham wrote:
Matt Welland wrote (26 Nov 2011):
Also, do folks generally see approval as better than or worse than IRV?
To me Approval seems to solve the spoiler problem without introducing
any unstable weirdness and it is much simpler
Juho Laatu wrote (29 Nov 2011):
We may compare IRV also to the other commonly used single-winner
method TTR. To be brief, one could say that IRV is better than TTR
since it has more elimination rounds. IRV's problem in this comparison
is that it collects so much information that one can,
Matt Welland wrote (26 Nov 2011):
Also, do folks generally see approval as better than or worse than IRV?
To me Approval seems to solve the spoiler problem without introducing
any unstable weirdness and it is much simpler and cheaper to do than
IRV.
If we are talking about the classic
Matt Welland wrote (26 Nov 2011):
Also, do folks generally see approval as better than or worse than IRV?
To me Approval seems to solve the spoiler problem without introducing
any unstable weirdness and it is much simpler and cheaper to do than
IRV.
If we are talking about the classic
Nov 2011 23:05:49 -0700
From: matt welland m...@kiatoa.com
I wasn't clear. I want to hear opinions from the list: Is approval
better or worse than IRV and why?
Approval is a far superior system to FPTP and IRV because approval:
1. unlike FPTP and IRV, it solves the spoiler problem of a
On 27.11.2011, at 18.35, Kathy Dopp wrote:
Nov 2011 23:05:49 -0700
From: matt welland m...@kiatoa.com
I wasn't clear. I want to hear opinions from the list: Is approval
better or worse than IRV and why?
Approval is a far superior system to FPTP and IRV because approval:
1. unlike FPTP
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