Re: [EM] Why I think IRV isn't a serious alternative KD

2008-12-21 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
James Gilmour wrote: Kevin Venzke Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 1:49 PM The reason I believe LNHarm is more valuable than monotonicity is that when a method fails LNHarm, the voter is more likely to realize in what insincere way to vote differently, in order to compensate. When a method

[EM] Why I think IRV isn't a serious alternative KD

2008-12-21 Thread Chris Benham
Kristofer, Woodall's DAC and  DSC and  Bucklin and Woodall's similar QLTD all meet mono-raise and Mutual Majority (aka Majority for Solid Coalitions). DSC meets LNHarm and the rest meet LNHelp. Chris Benham   Kristofer Munsterhjelm  wrote (Sun.Dec.21): snip In any case, it may be possible to

Re: [EM] Why I think IRV isn't a serious alternative KD

2008-12-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:31 AM 12/21/2008, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote: In any case, it may be possible to have one of the LNHs and be monotonic and have mutual majority. I'm not sure, but perhaps (doesn't one of DAC or DSC do this?). If so, it would be possible to see (at least) whether people strategize in

Re: [EM] Why I think IRV isn't a serious alternative KD

2008-12-20 Thread James Gilmour
Kevin Venzke Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 1:49 PM The reason I believe LNHarm is more valuable than monotonicity is that when a method fails LNHarm, the voter is more likely to realize in what insincere way to vote differently, in order to compensate. When a method fails

Re: [EM] Why I think IRV isn't a serious alternative KD

2008-12-16 Thread Kevin Venzke
Hi Kathy, You are responding to me, not Abd ul-Rahman Lomax. --- En date de : Mar 16.12.08, Kathy Dopp kathy.d...@gmail.com a écrit : Hi, --- En date de?: Dim 14.12.08, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com a ?crit?: That's not very generous. I can think of a couple of defenses.

Re: [EM] Why I think IRV isn't a serious alternative KD

2008-12-16 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:49 AM 12/16/2008, Kevin Venzke wrote: Thus, *all things being equal* (which must be kept in mind if it's IRV that is on your mind), I would expect that failing LNHarm will provoke more insincerity (and thus destroy more information) than failing monotonicity. Highly speculative. Bucklin