On Jun 27, 2008, at 13:54 , Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote:
That could be one big poster where the candidates are listed on
the right hand side and the left hand side is used for
representing the tree structure (and the names of the parties and
the subgroups).
That could work, at least in c
That could be one big poster where the candidates are listed on the
right hand side and the left hand side is used for representing the tree
structure (and the names of the parties and the subgroups).
That could work, at least in cases where there's only one district and
the party limits the d
On Jun 25, 2008, at 21:05 , Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote:
Juho wrote:
On Jun 24, 2008, at 0:34 , Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote:
What do you mean by "methods that allow candidates to form a
tree like structure"? Something like delegable proxy, or just
preference ballots with parties instead of c
Juho wrote:
On Jun 24, 2008, at 0:34 , Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote:
What do you mean by "methods that allow candidates to form a
tree like structure"? Something like delegable proxy, or just
preference ballots with parties instead of candidates? Or
nontraditional nested democracy (groups elect
Terry Bouricius wrote:
That brings me to an interesting issue, which may be off-topic for this
list..."sortition"...the selection of a legislative body by means of
modern sampling methods that assure a fully representative body. There is
an interesting history of the tension between sortition o
I'm inclined to think the model where all voter groups get
representatives that closely reflect their views as the default
model. The model where the society is represented e.g. by a group of
centrists works in many cases but it has also some problem cases that
make it "an alternative" in m
Steve Eppley wrote:
Hi,
I prefer a definition of "representativeness" that differs from
Kristofer's. To me, the more similar the *decisions* of a legislature
are to the decisions the people themselves would make collectively in a
well-functioning direct democracy, the more representative is
Howard wrote:
Question to Kristofer
do you see the "issues" that you start off with as orthogonal?
i.e. do you see this only working in a world where the issues polled are
independent.
The simulation I wrote assumes this, since it picks the proportion in
favor on each issue independently. Th
citizens). It is the old question of whether representative
democracy should be seen as "self-governance," or "consent of the
governed."
Sorry if this is too off-topic.
Terry Bouricius
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On Jun 24, 2008, at 15:44 , Terry Bouricius wrote:
That brings me to an interesting issue, which may be off-topic for
this
list..."sortition"...the selection of a legislative body by means of
modern sampling methods that assure a fully representative body.
There is
an interesting history of
On Jun 24, 2008, at 0:34 , Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote:
What do you mean by "methods that allow candidates to form a
tree like structure"? Something like delegable proxy, or just
preference ballots with parties instead of candidates? Or
nontraditional nested democracy (groups elect members to a
One reason why districts have been kept is that if there were no
districts then voters would have some tendency to vote for the
capital area candidates that have typically better access to TV etc.
There are typically also more popular figures in general at the
capital region. The risk is th
At 11:18 PM 6/23/2008, Howard wrote:
I feel that the need to look for and design a system around
geographic proportionality is a waist of time (except as a sales pitch).
I believe that geographic proportionality would naturally come out
of a truly proportional system (if it was important to the
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Hi,
I prefer a definition of "representativeness" that differs from
Kristofer's. To me, the more similar the *decisions* of a l
Howard > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 4:18 AM
> I feel that the need to look for and design a system around geographic
> proportionality is a waist of time (except as a sales pitch).
> I believe that geographic proportionality would naturally come out of a
> truly proportional system (if it was i
Hi,
I prefer a definition of "representativeness" that differs from
Kristofer's. To me, the more similar the *decisions* of a legislature
are to the decisions the people themselves would make collectively in a
well-functioning direct democracy, the more representative is the
legislature.
G
Question to Kristofer
do you see the "issues" that you start off with as orthogonal?
i.e. do you see this only working in a world where the issues polled are
independent.
also, how it would be decided what issues are polled? even in a
simulation this is important.
Ultimately there are a lar
>One more observation. Nowadays many methods actually try to meet two
>kind of proportionality requirements, political/ideological
>proportionality (typically based on the party structure) and regional
>proportionality (typically implemented by mandating all to vote at
>their own home district for
>How do see the role of parties here? Do you use e.g. a binary
>decision between left wing and right wing? Or maybe support or no
>support to party P? Or maybe you don't measure party support at all
>but just separate binary questions.
Parties aren't explicitly included. Implicitly and ideally, a
Hi again,
>- When you presents simulation results, is the best method the one with
>greatest or smallest score? IRV is considered the best majoritarian method
>but its score is between Nauru-Borda and Plurality
Oops, that was an error on my part. Since the scores are normalized
root-mean-square
Hi, Kristofer, your idea seems interesting, but I couldn't understand some
points:
- When you presents simulation results, is the best method the one with
greatest or smallest score? IRV is considered the best majoritarian method
but its score is between Nauru-Borda and Plurality
- In some countr
On Jun 21, 2008, at 1:09 , Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote:
Hello all,
(says the newcomer.)
Welcome.
First, set that there are n binary issues. Each of the voters then
have an issue profile which consists of n booleans.
How do see the role of parties here? Do you use e.g. a binary
decisio
Hello all,
(says the newcomer.)
I think I have found a metric for comparing multiwinner systems, at
least as these pertain to proportional representation, when all votes
are honest.
The advantage of the metric is that, if what it measures is desirable,
it gives an idea of how good the syste
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