Re: [EM] Condorcet How? JL

2010-04-13 Thread Juho
On Apr 13, 2010, at 4:20 AM, Kevin Venzke wrote: Hi Juho, Ok, I'm writing this as quickly as possible due to a lack of time. --- En date de : Dim 11.4.10, Juho juho4...@yahoo.co.uk a écrit : De: Juho juho4...@yahoo.co.uk Objet: Re: [EM] Condorcet How? À: Election Methods

Re: [EM] How to fix the flawed Nash equilibrium concept for voting-theory purposes

2010-04-13 Thread Michael Allan
Warren Smith wrote: Well, that is a Nash equilibrium because no single voter can change the election result! ... Nash says almost nothing about voting. It is worthless. ... But now here is a very simple and highly effective fix ... Have each voter cast, not one vote but rather each voter

Re: [EM] proxy ideas: continual consideration, and proxy committees

2010-04-13 Thread Michael Allan
Hi Terry, ... a concern in larger organizations, especially those with power (let's say governmental use, rather than Free Association) that media-savvy demagogues (e.g. Glenn Beck) might not gain oligarchic-sized proxy holdings, and what effect that would have on deliberation? ... Is there

Re: [EM] How to fix the flawed Nash equilibrium concept for voting-theory purposes

2010-04-13 Thread Jameson Quinn
Have each voter cast, not one vote but rather each voter casts a standard gaussian random variable number of votes of each possible type. The voter does not get to control her vote, she only gets to control the mean of the Gaussians. So for example, in the Gandhi-Hitler example, she can

Re: [EM] How to fix the flawed Nash equilibrium concept for voting-theory purposes

2010-04-13 Thread Raph Frank
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Jameson Quinn jameson.qu...@gmail.com wrote: This is a great idea at its heart, but I can see a couple of problems which need fixing. For one thing, you didn't specify that the sum of the means for all vote types must be 1. Actually, it would probably be

Re: [EM] How to fix the flawed Nash equilibrium concept for voting-theory purposes

2010-04-13 Thread Jameson Quinn
My proposal resolves most of those issues, after the votes are cast, each ballot has a probability of p to be excluded from the count. That works out to be the same as the poisson proposal, in the limit as voter number - infinity and p - 1. I think that the poisson proposal leads to cleaner

[EM] WD Smith's repair of Nash equilibrium concept for voting purposes

2010-04-13 Thread Warren Smith
If you are interested, further discussion is happening at the Election Science Foundation http://groups.google.com/group/electionsciencefoundation thread 929. -- Warren D. Smith http://RangeVoting.org -- add your endorsement (by clicking endorse as 1st step) and

Re: [EM] Condorcet How? JL

2010-04-13 Thread Kevin Venzke
Hi Juho, --- En date de : Mar 13.4.10, Juho juho4...@yahoo.co.uk a écrit : This time the election will be arranged using WV. B supporters note that they can win by not supporting C any more. C supporters do not have the same incentive since they are about to win. That's only true

[EM] would it make sense if this list became a USENET newsgroup?

2010-04-13 Thread robert bristow-johnson
just curious. maybe it might increase exposure of the issues and content. i dunno, maybe soc.something . -- r b-j r...@audioimagination.com Imagination is more important than knowledge. Election-Methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info