Re: [EM] Proportional election method needed for the Czech Green party - Council elections

2010-05-04 Thread Peter Zbornik
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 10:16 PM, Kristofer Munsterhjelm km-el...@broadpark.no wrote: Peter Zbornik wrote: Dear all, I am sending a post scriptum to the email below. 1. The conservative method is only interesting if, the unambiguously pre-elected president and vice president(s) are not in

Re: [EM] VoteFair representation ranking recommended for Czech Green Party

2010-05-04 Thread 'Richard Fobes'
Markus Schulze wrote: Richard Fobes wrote (2 May 2010): Once again Markus Schulze is trying to discredit the Condorcet-Kemeny method. If I really wanted to discredit this method, then I would mention ... Thank you for giving me the opportunity to put these issues into perspective.

Re: [EM] VoteFair representation ranking recommended for Czech Green Party

2010-05-04 Thread Markus Schulze
Dear Richard Fobes, you wrote (4 May 2010): The book does not refer to the independence of irrelevant alternatives criteria, so where did you get the idea that it claims to satisfy that criteria? For example, on page 256 you claim: When VoteFair ranking is used, adding or withdrawing

Re: [EM] Proportional election method needed for the Czech Green party - Council elections

2010-05-04 Thread Juho
This is a good approach in the category of simple (only one method used) proportional ranking based methods. Use of proportional ranking reduces the proportionality of the council and the set of n presidents a bit but not much. The election of the president can be seen to happen before the

Re: [EM] Proportional election method needed for the Czech Green party - Council elections

2010-05-04 Thread Andrew Myers
If you are looking for a proportional Condorcet method, I will also recommend the proportional election method that I developed. It is not STV-like, but it achieves proportionality when there are blocs of voters. It has the added advantage that it is already built into a running Internet

Re: [EM] Proportional election method needed for the Czech Green party - Council elections

2010-05-04 Thread Raph Frank
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 8:12 AM, Peter Zbornik pzbor...@gmail.com wrote: I am affraid that this is not possible. First we have mostly odd-numbered council sizes, and secondly the gender rule does not require that half of the men should be men and the other half women. Our current gender rule

[EM] WMA (It's not monotonic or participation compliant, after all)

2010-05-04 Thread fsimmons
Kevin, I'm sure that you are right, but it makes me think that the only reason ordinary Approval complies with Monotonicity is that the information from polls is not an official part of the election: showing (true or alleged) support for a candidate in the polls can change her from a winner to a

Re: [EM] MinMax(AWP)

2010-05-04 Thread Juho
On May 4, 2010, at 6:17 AM, C.Benham wrote: I think the idea that the CW should always be elected but it is sometimes ok to elect from outside the Smith set is a bit philosophically weird, and not easy to sell. I think electing outside the Smith set is a healthy idea :-). I agree that it

Re: [EM] Proportional election method needed for the Czech Green party - Council elections

2010-05-04 Thread Juho
Some more comments on how the male/female requirements could be handled. In the description of Markus Schulze (see below) there were two steps where the male/female proportionality was handled. That approach works if there are separate requirements for the set of three first